March 19, 2014

Forget it Jake, it's Malaysia-town

The near complete inability of the nations in eastern Asia to reveal what information they may have and cooperate during an urgent, life-and-death matter should temper the enthusiasm that many Westerners feel for glorious Asia — what with their high IQ levels (by global standards) and their low homicide rates.

Rather, this groping-through-the-labyrinth of an investigation should serve to revive an older description — "the inscrutable Oriental." It's all about keeping your guard up, wearing an unreadable stone face, and covering your ass / saving face above all else.

And it is not only in lending a hand that the Asian is stingy. Merely requesting help from others is seen as a sign of weakness, incompetence, "Why you so lazy?!" etc., and must only be resorted to long after it has become obvious that you're not as all-powerful and all-knowing as you'd thought. The level of hubris among Asians is astounding: no matter what the calamity, the in-over-their-heads team is bound to respond with, "Back off, man — I got this."

Why any Westerner would want to import large numbers of denizens from a black hole of trust, is beyond me. But probably boils down to them being a nerd who lives in the abstract and the hypothetical, where BRAINS + DOCILITY = MAX STATS, and having little connection with the real world, where these ghost people are among the worst neighbors and citizens you could ask for.

38 comments:

  1. It is a bit puzzling. But you have intimate personal experience with Asians, right (if I remember correctly)? I'm dating one now, so I'm not completely unbiased. I'd much rather have them as neighbors than members of other groups. I haven't yet seen some of what you observe but maybe it hasn't been long enough yet. I'm not sure why Thailand is just now releasing the radar data.

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  2. If I was going to pick a country from which to import Asians, Malaysia would not be it. Or Indonesia or another muslim-majority asian country.

    "these ghost people are among the worst neighbors and citizens you could ask for"
    Looks like that could be analyzed with real-estate prices (Alex Tabarrok's look at home envy is a favorite example of mine).

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  3. Johnny Caustic3/19/14, 12:30 PM

    The high-IQ Asians are in China, Korea, and Japan. Malaysia's average IQ is about 92 according to "IQ and the Wealth of Nations". The rest of Southeast Asia is in the same ballpark. See http://www.isteve.com/iq_table.htm

    Not to discount the things you say about Asian inscrutability and the "black hole of trust", which I think do apply throughout the east. I think it has more to do with inbreeding (which seems to lead to clannishness) than "living in the abstract", though. The broadly-distributed trust of ethnic Europeans comes from a long history of outbreeding. With some brainy exceptions, I don't think most Asians live in the abstract all that much.

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  4. Johnny Caustic3/19/14, 12:34 PM

    ...I just realized, maybe you meant that the Westerners who want to import the Asians are the ones living in the abstract and having little connection with the real world? If so, I totally agree.

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  5. Echoing what the previous commenters have said, the Malays are not like East Asians. Based on the astonishing reliability and efficiency of the Japanese transport system, we can be pretty sure that this never would have happened in developed East Asia (Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore).

    In fact, even if this did happen to East Asians, I would bet that their high conformity would lead to more cooperation. The bravado you describe seems more prevalent among Europeans, which probably contributed to them colonising the world while the Chinese refused to rock the boat.

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  6. And it is not only in lending a hand that the Asian is stingy. Merely requesting help from others is seen as a sign of weakness, incompetence, "Why you so lazy?!" etc., and must only be resorted to long after it has become obvious that you're not as all-powerful and all-knowing as you'd thought. The level of hubris among Asians is astounding: no matter what the calamity, the in-over-their-heads team is bound to respond with, "Back off, man — I got this."

    There are people who if you tell them you're having problems say with your job or with your marriage will change the subject back to themselves and will tell you that they are doing very well with their job or marriage.

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  7. > "ghost people"?

    'gui zi' - insulting name for whites, in China.

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  8. ""ghost people"?"

    he means they don't have a social presence in the community.

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  9. "I'd much rather have them as neighbors than members of other groups."

    I'd rather have neither. A lot of HBD types are committed to massive immigration, either cheerleading or grudging "realism" (=defeatism), and frame these things about who the lesser of all evils are. We need to be more clear about how undesirable Asians would be as neighbors and citizens compared to who is already here.

    "Malaysia's average IQ is about 92 according to "IQ and the Wealth of Nations". "

    Like I said, not bad by global standards. "Meh, at least it's not as low as in Africa," says the HBD type described above.

    "we can be pretty sure that this never would have happened in developed East Asia (Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore)."

    In other words, excluding that small country called China whose citizens are not interested in settling in America, and who do not make up much of the elite layers in Malaysia. (And excluding North Korea.)

    "The bravado you describe seems more prevalent among Europeans"

    Yep, that's why European countries never asked for help from America when it was/is a superpower. And why we were so grudging to lend a hand.

    I wasn't describing bravado anyway -- rather, hubris, stubbornness, obsession with face, etc. Bravado means reckless dick-swinging in an attempt to appear brave.

    "'gui zi' - insulting name for whites, in China."

    Ha, really? That's the pot calling the kettle black, as it were.

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  10. You've inadvertently described the most ridiculous and unpleasant writer in the Alt Right today: John Derbyshire.

    The Sinophilia of the "high IQ" crowd is embarrassing. It stems from their discomfort with anything not easily quantifiable; anything subtle, nuanced or poetic. In the end, the Japanese are marrying robots - literally. Who could tell the difference?

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  11. Thailand has a lot of legitimate reasons not to share all defense radar data instantly. Tough area, lots of other planes flying under the radar. Of course low levels of intraethnic camaradery don't help.

    I wonder if the plane is in Australia. Lots of flat places to land, cops who don't automatically machinegun everyone in a hostage situation. More radar, but oceans are big.

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  12. So to sum up:

    Asians don't belong in America because they're rude machiavellian aspie social retards and "unpoetic". Nevermind that this is a charicature at best and even if true, grossly mis-characterizes a huge part of Asia (Filipinos and Malays tend to be much more gregarious and have vastly different social structures than East Asians)

    Blacks and Hispanics are out because they're low IQ and display strong propensity towards violence

    Millenials and SWPLrs are out because they're not "engaged" in the bowling in columbine sense.

    Introverts and folks who just want to be left alone for same reason as above.

    Anyone who doesn't want to "participate" also need to get out. Again for same reason as above.

    Have I missed anything?

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  13. If Japan is Scandinavia and New Guinea is the Congo, Malaysia is Sudan, a chattering country of brown skins and wavy hair. The HBD crowd is idiotic to be sanguine about East Asian immigration to the West or to fetishize IQ and law-abidingness, but this is like contemplating Rashaida Bedouin and talking about "Europoid hospitality" or "Europoid disorder" or "Europoid preoccupation with honor" or ...

    Europe contains no civilizational or racial divides on par with those that still transect the Orient.

    "that small country called China whose citizens are not interested in settling in America, and who do not make up much of the elite layers in Malaysia."

    At the end of the day, Malaysia is a country for the Bumiputra, run by the Bumiputra, and the Chinese and other aliens are kept in their place ... regardless of how market-dominant these obnoxious minorities might be, or what a stingier, less laid-back, more dreadfully industrious (though still profoundly corrupt) people would do for "efficiency". As things should be.

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  14. "Have I missed anything?"

    Internet spazzes.

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  15. "Europe contains no civilizational or racial divides on par with those that still transect the Orient."

    The East Asian black hole of trust is trans-national and trans-racial. As though something different in kind would be taking place if only it were Vietnam or China that had been the target. Openness, willingness to ask for help, cooperation across national / racial borders, etc.

    Nah, then you'd just be back to the original Chinatown quote.

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  16. "The East Asian black hole of trust is trans-national and trans-racial."

    Well, why stop at East Asia? Why not make a dog's dinner of it and mash in the proud unto arrogant (and famously dysfunctional, at least as far as state society is concerned) Indo-Europeans of Afghanistan, or Semitic-Near Eastern honor-shame complexes and intense preoccupations with face? Maybe then, incidentally, it'd become apparent that things like "cooperation across national / racial borders" or faith in international regulatory bodies easily run orthogonal to "trust" in more important senses — and sneering about amoral familism or primitive segmental tribalism doesn't cut it: what was Saladin's chivalry, and what does Pashtunwali mandate for the fugitive, even the avowed enemy, who strolls through one's doorway?

    And forget about the plane for a minute. There are obviously other, more prosocial reasons than overweening pride alone for unwillingness to "ask for help" — is it only in trust "black holes" that people are genuinely pained to burdens others? Are the homogenous, small-scale, and intimately coreliant societies where we see the starkest manifestations of this — e.g., habitual suicide by the feeble elderly in hunter-gatherer groups at the Malthusian edge — among them?

    But let's be real — if your own efforts amount to nothing better than dogged struggling, or even invite nothing so much as miserable disaster, better Burma after Cyclone Nargis than the perpetual imploring hand of Haiti. An Asiatic outlook? I would venture that a focus on independence and self-reliance — yes, even to a fault (witness the Texan freeholders who with their wives and children drove isolated and undefendable ranches deep into Comancheria in the mid-1830s) — would have been familiar to many decidedly Western yeoman farmers, frontiersmen, and lone adventurers.

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  17. But back to this:

    "trans-national and trans-racial."

    A multi-racial and multi-civilizational (and I mean multi-civilizational) Orient has no single human template. If Malaysia is fair game geographically, then I can't see how we overlook that a third of Mongolia's population still lives by pastoral nomadism, or that Mani negritos are still blow-darting langurs and clambering up trees for wild honeycomb an hour and a half by plane from Bangkok. There are huge expanses here where intensive wet-rice agriculture never took root, where Confucius means nothing, places closer in values to the Scythia of Herodotus or the Fly River or Haida Gwaii than any soulless, sweating-walled Hong Kong tower block cubicle or walled Hakka village.

    Go ahead and say this doesn't matter because of the overwhelming maggoty bulk of Han China and its subsidiaries (though many of these fundamentally other peoples have states to call their own, and still others are demographically dominant in gigantic tracts of land even within the PRC). The fact remains that here we are confronted with types vastly more disparate in psychology and inclinations than any of the peoples of Europe — it's not even a question that before us stretch far wider a spread than that of Basques and Orkney Islanders and Maltese and Serbs and Swedes (and I would argue more than that of all West Eurasia exclusive of the Indian subcontinent). Whether in antique Chinese or modern European evaluation, no one who'd known them first hand ever claimed that Mongols, Tungus, Kham Tibetans, Taiwanese aborigines, Yakuts, or Lolos were cast from the same mold as the Chinese, in whatever other domain they cared to comment on — honesty, openness, trust, directness, freeness of expression, bravery, generosity. We see this most clearly where we have situations of close contact (as in modern Tibet or Fujianese in Borneo). In southern Sichuan as late as the 1940s, "terrified Chinese peasants would huddle in their houses, not daring to help their neighbors and hoping only that they would not be attacked next" during the periodic (in some places nightly) slave-raids by their martial Tibeto-Burman neighbors, the herder-aristocrat Black-Bone Lolo. Who had more asabiya?

    And it's not like only numerically inconsequential people offer the only points of contrast. By all means go and me that the trust landscape of Japan and Korea (which, despite the heavy influence of Chinese civilization, are in no small part extensions of the boreal-inner Eurasian world, with agriculture far younger an overlay than in the original core of paddy rice) the same as that of China (or even that North China, long lapped by waves from the ocean of steppe, is the same as Canton). Tell me that you see spectacles like this or this in Osaka. No one thinks anything, incidentally, of elementary-school-aged children riding public buses by themselves in metropolitan Korea.

    As an "Asiatic" myself, I would see all immigration (but especially compliant, high-IQ servitors and conniving elite aspirants) to the West immediately curtailed and reversed, the PRC prisonhouse of nations organically partitioned and militarily/economically neutralized, and the Sinitic interaction sphere shattered forever — not because I hate "East Asia", but because I understand that the multimillennial Chinese project of human domestication was never its highest aim.

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  18. no matter what the calamity, the in-over-their-heads team is bound to respond with, "Back off, man — I got this."

    The Japanese repeatedly got into trouble with this in WWII.

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  19. This statement:

    "not because I hate "East Asia", but because I understand that the multi-millennial Chinese project of human domestication was never its highest aim."

    doesn't jive well with:

    "overwhelming maggoty bulk of Han China and its subsidiaries"

    You sound obviously pissed off at someone. Overbearing Chinese landlord I presume? Or is it the high-IQ Chinese FOB sitting next to you at work that your threatened by?

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  20. ""Have I missed anything?"

    Internet spazzes."

    Good to hear that a few sentences can sum up the caricature that is your worldview.

    "The East Asian black hole of trust is trans-national and trans-racial. As though something different in kind would be taking place if only it were Vietnam or China that had been the target. Openness, willingness to ask for help, cooperation across national / racial borders, etc."

    While there's a kernel of truth to this (e.g. mainland China and possibly Singapore, Chinese obsession with status markers such as LV bags, etc...), the fact that you went ahead and extended this to ALL of ASIA leads me to believe that your analysis was more likely informed by unpleasant encounters with random Chinese fobs and leveraging preconceived Western attitudes towards the East. In other words, this isn't much of an analysis which is cool if all you really wanted to do was let off some steam because you hate Asians and confirm your identification with the kind of kumbaya sit around the fire white solidarity that prevailed in the 50s.

    In sum, you seriously need to do your homework dude.

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  21. Honestly I probably get along just as well if not better with the average Asian I come across here as the average white.

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  22. There's similar behavior with the Japanese in Fukushima, although they did eventually call in international experts etc.

    I don't see this as driven by a "black hole of distrust" though.

    I'd view face concerns as driven by a combination of

    1) High opinion of others, low opinion of self - this creates a strong psychological need to avoid negative evaluations at all costs.

    2) Asian humility - Asia has an ultra humble culture, but people still need to advance themselves, so the flipside of this is really high norms of punishment and revenge, otherwise they'd get jacked by free riders really quickly. Witness all the revenge dramas that come out of every East Asian nation - West Europeans have nothing like that. The Japanese Samurai were both ultra-humble and selfless and ultra-vengeful against slights - there's no contradiction in this, as both these norms are actually mutually supportive.

    So to maintain the high opinion of others and avoid possible revenge from others, sometimes East Asians hide information and don't seek support.

    This 100% isn't distrust in the sense of thinking that other people have hidden motivations and will exploit information against their stated intentions, or thinking of others as "lowly". It's just due to the people having a very, very strong sense of shame and a very, very strong drive for revenge when they do believe they've been wronged.

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  23. What exactly is the point of this post? That Asians/Orientals aren't perfect human beings?

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  24. Joes Schmoe3/20/14, 3:05 PM

    "What exactly is the point of this post? That Asians/Orientals aren't perfect human beings?"

    It's probably worst. Been browsing through this site over the last few years and although he has some interesting posts, the Author often comes across as a dweeby emo kid who can't shut up about about how lonely and alienated he feels. So evidently, dude naturally builds a mental framework that reflects this sentiment which looks somewhat like this:

    (1) self-identify with a period in US history when communal participation was the norm and most folks were "unalienated" and "connected"
    (2) extrapolate out of this period a set of positive characteristics that encouraged said norm
    (3) call everyone else a problem

    So basically if your just some guy who prefers chilling at home and playing video games over going out to dance, mingle, and feel connected, your a big problem. It makes no difference if you're law abiding, pay your taxes, and mind your own business, you're still a problem.

    Since Asians tend to score higher in introversion and are not particularly noted for being socially engaged, I'm not surprised that emo kid holds the entire continent in contempt.

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  25. I always like your Asia posts.

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  26. "better Burma after Cyclone Nargis than the perpetual imploring hand of Haiti."

    Wonderful standard to set. "Enjoy your next vaycay at Burma -- now 89% better than Haiti!"

    "honor-shame complexes and intense preoccupations with face"

    Wrong: cultures of honor are cultures of hospitality -- willing to ask for and provide assistance to complete strangers. You can't hitch-hike in China, but it's a breeze in Turkey, Iran, Egypt, etc. I think I wrote a post just on that topic.

    You've already confused something as basic as honor and face, so I'm skipping over the rest of your first comment.

    "here we are confronted with types vastly more disparate in psychology and inclinations than any of the peoples of Europe"

    Not really in East Asia. Mongols, Turkics, Tibetans, etc., are more Central Asian. Tungus, Taiwanese aborigines, etc. don't have a state, so we can ignore them in context -- but why keep the context in mind when you can just shit out a 1000-word diatribe to show what mad Wikipedia skills you got.

    "While there's a kernel of truth to this"

    East Asia is not a culture of hospitality. Already covered that elsewhere. Is also pretty clear from interacting with them, or reading the news.

    Also from those studies of racial differences at birth -- East Asian babies don't protest or turn over when you lay them face down so they can't breathe. White and black babies cry, struggle, etc., to get the caretakers to help them out of this sudden dire situation. Greg or Henry posted a vid of them at West Hunter awhile ago.

    "dweeby emo kid"

    That's rich coming from the video-game shut-in Sinophile. (And Japanophile if you count anime porn.)

    "It makes no difference if you're law abiding, pay your taxes, and mind your own business, you're still a problem."

    Brilliant community philosophy: why participate when we can all just free-ride? Why enjoy cohesion and belonging when we can all be fragmented and alienated?

    I used to think that cohesion and participation was one of those givens under "desirable place to live," but not when you're arguing against an awkward Millennial dork.

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  27. The Asian fetish popular among nerds is easy to see by comparing how butt-hurt they get when you speak generally about one of the most homogeneous places on the planet, to how they respond to talking trash about Africa.

    "Something got fucked up there? Well, y'know -- blacks."

    Where's the earnest appeal for subtle appreciation of all of Africa's diversity? They are way more diverse than East Asia -- more hunter-gatherer groups (Bushmen, Hadza, various Pygmies), more pastoralists (most of the North, then the Eastern highlands and the Fulani in the West, and the incipient herders down south, the Herero and Himba), tropical gardeners out the wazoo, and an ancient large-scale agrarian civilization in Egypt.

    Genetic diversity is greater in Africa. They also appear to be admixed with an ancient hominid native to Africa that no other human group appears to have interbred with. As opposed to Neanderthal / Denisovan admixture, which most groups outside of Africa show.

    Now, I agree when something gets fucked up in Africa, and someone says "Well, y'know -- Africans." If the Sinophilic nerds are going to be consistent, they ought to angrily challenge the sweeping generalizations about African homogeneity, along the lines I just did above.

    But Africa is not a major exporter of pornographic cartoons, so what is there worth defending for the nerd?

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  28. It is difficult to ask a Chinese for directions. This was true at my college and in Chinatown. It reminds me of New York where people can be as difficult.

    Asians in service positions or teaching positions can be surly

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  29. "Also from those studies of racial differences at birth -- East Asian babies don't protest or turn over when you lay them face down so they can't breathe. White and black babies cry, struggle, etc., to get the caretakers to help them out of this sudden dire situation. Greg or Henry posted a vid of them at West Hunter awhile ago."

    This doesn't support what you think it does. While East Asians in East Asia may at some level require the presence of an authority figure to motivate productive action, I don't see this behavior at all in fully assimilated East Asians living in western countries. In fact high status East Asians from the East and fully westernized ones were mostly self-directed. The only common denominator I've noticed is a sense of pragmatism permeating in their actions (e.g. your more likely to see East Asian students clustering in a chemistry class than a philosophy class).

    Unless the Asian babies in your study were sourced trans-nationally and connected this behavior to adulthood, Occams Razor says that the racial differences you've been trying to work out are actually just cultural differences. You don't see Asian-Americans rudely screaming "hurry up and buy" at convenience stores.

    "That's rich coming from the video-game shut-in Sinophile. (And Japanophile if you count anime porn.)"

    Pfffft. When did I express an affinity with East Asians? Maybe I'm just responding because your arguments just plain sucks. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you're a socially awkward aspie with a fuher complex. Just a cursory look at your blog provides ample evidence that you subscribe to some form of communitarian political arrangement. And let's not forget that an aptitude for mathematics correlates highly with Asperger Syndrome.

    "Brilliant community philosophy: why participate when we can all just free-ride? Why enjoy cohesion and belonging when we can all be fragmented and alienated?

    I used to think that cohesion and participation was one of those givens under "desirable place to live," but not when you're arguing against an awkward Millennial dork."

    This is my favorite. As a high-income earner, do you really think paying taxes implies that I'm getting a free ride? And what's with your fantasy of cohesion and participation as the mark of a desirable social arrangement. Do you seriously think that if you traveled back in time when things where less fragmentary and alienating that Jocks won't still be inclined to flush your socially awkward aspie self face down a turd filled toilet? Social awkwardness is a by-product of temperment and personality and not socio-cultural arrangement. The fact that your face is getting flushed down the toilet has nothing to do a society's lack of social cohesion but says more about your nerd personality.

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  30. "Occams Razor says that the racial differences you've been trying to work out are actually just cultural differences. "

    Cultural differences... present hours after birth. I'm skipping the rest of your comment again. And don't bother farting out anything else. You're clueless *and* boring.

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  31. beavis and butthead3/21/14, 11:20 AM

    I work with a guy who is pretty much the author's ideal specimen - grew up in the eighties, very sociable in that gen x let's hang out and do nothing sort of way, always looking to "connect", loves talking about trivialities, lots of opinions about bands. The kind of guy who still buys a flip phone on contract cause he doesn't "get" smartphones. He's a nice guy, no argument, and it's fun to share impressions of the way things were and the way they've changed. But other than that there is just nothing profound going on in there.

    The eighties were great, and going to arcades or the movies or just hanging out growing up was a lot of fun. But when you're 40 years old and you still get excited about "hanging out" at your buddy's house to share banalities and misinformation and your view of the world consists mostly of half-baked conspiracy theories, it might just be time to grow the fuck up and get serious about something.

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  32. Mountainous areas of Asia will have more outgoing, risk-taking people. That includes Manchuria and much of Japan. A Japanophile isn't automatically giong to be a cocooner, it depends on what aspect of Japanese culture they are interested in.

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  33. "The eighties were great, and going to arcades or the movies or just hanging out growing up was a lot of fun. But when you're 40 years old and you still get excited about "hanging out" at your buddy's house to share banalities and misinformation and your view of the world consists mostly of half-baked conspiracy theories, it might just be time to grow the fuck up and get serious about something."

    what a pile of shit. "Face to Face" is right on almost every count, even if you don't like the facts. We're living in the most socially repressive environment since the '50s. and if you feel threatened by it, it is perhaps because you don't want yourself to be exposed to the light. or you're so out of touch that you don't see how asocial the population has become.

    "slacker generation"

    Mischaracterization because GXers were graded harder by their teachers(as opposed to the rampant grade inflation that goes on now). Gen-Xers were far more likely to begin working earlier and are still more likely to have jobs. .

    "Docile / meek people aren't likely to respond in such fashion when confronted."

    No, you can lack initiative while at the same time lacking empathy.





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  34. "get serious about something.""

    This blog is a groundbreaking work. I think that qualifies as "serious".
    Your arguments show naivete and lack of experience since Gen-Xers are likely to be more mature in every aspect. It is not immature to pine for the '80s - afterall, they were a healthy time when people had friends, dated, and success didn't hinge in being obsessive-compulsive(unlike now).

    I can understand why you hate the 80s so much, though. Afterall, back then you had to get along with people.

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  35. More Asia posts! Those are always informative and controversial and get a good comment thread going.

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  36. The '80s saw a peak of religious participation, nothing banal about that. Contrast with the Millennials, who were godless from the get-go and have no yearning to connect with something greater than themselves at all.

    The whole society was different back then -- you're assuming it was like today, only with a different set of technology and pop culture.

    Anybody who's 40 years old is Gen X -- not just the weirdo at work. You're filtering out everybody else because they don't fit some pre-conceived story about slackers, grunge, and other tidbits you may have been exposed to as a child.

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  37. "Wonderful standard to set. "Enjoy your next vaycay at Burma -- now 89% better than Haiti!""

    I would visit. Burma — unlike Haiti — is a genuinely interesting place with actual history and high culture, and I'm glad its regime has the spine to say no to the "International Community" on issues like the Rohingya. Support to Wirathu.

    "You've already confused something as basic as honor and face, so I'm skipping over the rest of your first comment."

    Sure, they're never intertwined.

    "You can't hitch-hike in China, but it's a breeze in Turkey, Iran, Egypt, etc. I think I wrote a post just on that topic."

    It's heterogeneous, but related to ancestry from the non-Chinese peripheries (I would say that the northern Chinese are more forthright and generous than the southern). My friends found Chinese truckers a godsend as they traversed the Chinese backcountry, but I can't speak to that as I've really only been in occupied East Turkestan (where the Turkic and Mongolic people, plus the Hui, were richly welcoming, and the most unpleasant creatures I met were invariably imported Han). Moreover, I hear that hitchhiking's easy for foreigners in Korea (it's not too common natively given the cheapness of public transportation but I never hear it being met with the conceptual incomprehension or cold snubs you get in much of China).

    "Not really in East Asia. Mongols, Turkics, Tibetans, etc., are more Central Asian. Tungus, Taiwanese aborigines, etc. don't have a state, so we can ignore them in context -- but why keep the context in mind when you can just shit out a 1000-word diatribe to show what mad Wikipedia skills you got."

    Whatever. Malaysia is more Near Oceania than East Asia, so it's tendentious to ignore the boreal/Inner Asian ancestry band that clearly extends beyond Tibet and Mongolia into Manchuria, the Russian Far East, Korea, and Japan. You can disparage me as some hair-splitting sperg if you want, but this matters for the same reason that Gypsies, Romanians, Germans, Ashkenazi Jews, Berbers, Swiss, Finns, and Kurds are meaningfully distinct.

    "You sound obviously pissed off at someone. Overbearing Chinese landlord I presume? Or is it the high-IQ Chinese FOB sitting next to you at work that your threatened by?"

    My people and our kin are dying under the stultifying and deforming weight of Chinese bodies and Chinese depravity. That's reason enough. We were placed on Earth, in Asia, to embody the alternative to "the bee-hive and ant-hill of all mankind ... encrusting the earthly sphere", as Merezhkovsky put it.

    There are no mysteries of any sort, no depths and longings for "other worlds than ours." Everything is simple, everything is on a plane. Insuperable common sense, insuperable positiveness. All that is, is; and there is nothing more, nor need for anything more. This world is all, and there is no other world save this. Heaven is not the beginning and the end, but a continuation, without beginning or end, of the earth. Earth and heaven shall not be one, as Christianity affirms, but one substance. The greatest empire on earth is verily the Celestial Empire, the heaven on earth, the Median Kingdom — the kingdom of the eternal mean, of eternal mediocrity...

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