November 14, 2012

Are blacks scared straight by the law or by hell-raisin' whites?

From a recent Steve Sailer post:

By the way, when speaking about Massachusetts, it's important to keep in mind that a major reason it doesn't have many blacks and that its blacks aren't as big of a problem as elsewhere is because it has an abundance of violent, tribalist, anti-black Irish to keep the blacks down. Boston is the only place I've seen in the U.S. where blacks appeared to be afraid of white civilians walking down the street. Having a lot of scary Irish around makes theorizing at Harvard a lot more pleasant. 
In contrast, poor Milwaukee, a nice German social-democratic town (as Alice Cooper points out in Wayne's World, Socialist candidates were elected mayor of Milwaukee three times in the 1920s), had high welfare and a direct rail line from the Mississippi Delta, and it just got the worst of Southern blacks.
Why not go for a national comparison? Here's a map of the black imprisonment rate (per 100K black population), from an old article also by Steve. Purple means higher imprisonment rates, yellow means lower.

The data are from 1997, when most of them would have been incarcerated during the rising-crime period of the '60s through the early '90s. So they're more likely to represent thuggish criminals, compared to today when more of them would be drug possessors and less of them serial rapists, robbers, killers, and subway graffiti vandals.

Steve suggests that the lowest rates found in Hawaii and North Dakota likely reflect blacks who got there by being in the military, which filters by intelligence and discipline. It's hard to think how else the average black got out there in Hawaii, or up there in North Dakota.

Aside from that, there are three regions where blacks appear to be kept more in line -- 1) the Deep South plus the lower Appalachians, especially Tennessee and West Virginia; 2) the northern part of the Mountain West; and 3) the parts of the Northeast that have more rural areas, especially Maine.

In contrast, blacks get locked up like crazy in the West Coast, the Southwest, the Plains states, the Midwest, and the Bos-Wash Corridor along the East Coast (New York City's 1997 rate must have reflected Giuliani's crackdown, and resembled nearby Connecticut, RI, and New Jersey).

So, we don't see a simple liberal / conservative or blue / red state effect. Black imprisonment rates are very high both in the liberal West Coast as well as the conservative Plains states. And it's low both in the liberal Northeast and West Virginia, as well as in the conservative Deep South.

Instead, what pops out at me is that the areas with low black imprisonment rates have high concentrations of whites whose ancestry is Celtic. Here are four Census maps showing the prevalence of Scotch-Irish, Scottish, Irish, and "American" ancestry. The last one is clearly a Celtic one, only coming from those who are ignorant of exactly where their ancestors came from, are more patriotic, or are just too cantankerous to give the nice Census lady anything but a smartass answer to get her off their front porch and back to where ye came from.

Compared to other white Americans, those of Celtic ancestry are more clannish and warlike, more honor-driven and less law-regarding. The hell with being tattle-tales to law enforcement -- how about we just settle this little thing ourselves, like men. Picking up that vibe from whites at the grassroots level must make black criminals think twice about stepping on the wrong man's dick -- if he doesn't pursue you to within an inch of his own life just to bring about your death, then his kinfolk may just round up a party and track you down like an animal, unencumbered in whatever they do by legal regulations since the authorities won't know about it.

Of course it doesn't require a real-life rude awakening -- you can just size up whether some pale-skin is a weenie whitie or a crazy cracka. And you're not sizing up only those who you're thinking of victimizing right now -- you're unconsciously taking stock of all sorts of white people you run into or hear about locally, and filing away what characteristics they seem to have, for future reference.

In contrast to the Culture of Honor prevailing among the more pastoralist-influenced Celts, there's a greater Culture of Law among the more agriculture-influenced English, Scandinavians, French, and Germans. *

At any rate, if a state's white population is made up mostly of Culture of Law groups, then at the grassroots level whites appear wimpy in the eyes of blacks. Should they be victimized, they won't make waves, but rather call on the law enforcement system to administer justice. Black criminals in those states must sense that most of the local white targets are wimps, strengthening their resolve and making them more careless. It'd be like taking candy from a baby. But eventually the law does catch up to them, and these states see higher rates of black imprisonment.

So, why bother involving the law so much in daily life? They're always stretched too thin, they lack the collective knowledge that community members would have if they put their heads together, their powers are hamstrung by legal regulations, and being outside mercenaries, their motives are not always in the locals' best interests -- corruption and careerist showboating are particularly likely at the highest levels. Not to mention the financial cost of convicting criminals, then maintaining such a sprawling prison population through their term.

Just by contributing in your own small personal way to the perception by criminals that the locals in your community are not the type you want to fuck with, your collective yet uncoordinated efforts can have a similar effect to the police and the courts. And when two methods are about equally effective, bottom-up keeps us more human than top-down.

Also, I doubt that most of those low black imprisonment rates in Celtic regions is due to whites forming kangaroo courts and lynch mobs after a crime has already been committed -- you'd hear about that at least some of the time. Rather the difference in white attitude seems to serve more as a deterrent -- like, I better check myself around here, these white folks be CRAZY.

Finally, it needs repeating that the map doesn't show a liberal vs. conservative effect. It's more based on the ethnic composition of whites, and the ways of life that adapted them to their differing homelands over the centuries and millennia back in Europe.

English Puritans and Socialist Scandinavians may provide a greater sense of stability and structure, but they may wind up relying too much on authority, while neglecting their involvement in everyday self-policing. And in an ethnically mixed-up country like ours, that approach doesn't seem to be intimidating enough to black criminals. It's better suited to shaming would-be criminals of Norwegian etc. ancestry before they even try it.

But blacks look at the law enforcement system as just a bunch of overpaid punks -- whatchu pigs gon' do, huh? I'll sue for police brutality! That's when you need more rambunctious whites to curb bad black behavior at the grassroots level. Sometimes it takes barbarians to deter a savage.

* At least those from the agrarian parts of Germany toward the north and east; the mountainous and more pastoralist southern states are more conservative, hence probably more of the fighting mountain man type. We could check by contrasting German Lutheran Americans vs. German Catholic Americans, since religion more or less maps onto the agrarian vs. agro-pastoralist split back in their homeland.


  1. I think that most people in general are risk-taking/lack conscienscousness(sp?).

    The key is that in Celtic areas, the political leadership itself seems to be more risk-taking. In the Northeast et. al., the elites are clearly "follow-the-rules" farmer types.


  2. Yeah good point. In Celtic country, there's probably a tacit understanding between law enforcement and citizens to let ordinary people police their communities more, as long as it isn't embarrassing lynch-mob stuff that would attract too much outside attention.

    But they wouldn't get involved if it's just the locals staring down or calmly circling around someone who gives off trouble-maker vibes, whether black white or whatever. Like, "I know you're thinking about doing some serious shit -- you'd better watch your back."

  3. Back in the 90's i travelled around Europe. I was astounded by the dodgy behaviour of the gypsies. I was also astounded by the passive behaviour of the native Europeans. My response to my companions, "They wouldn't try that shit where I'm from, they'd get a thrashing"...and it is true. I grew up amongst the Anglo Celts. Low trust cantankerous bastards. You may have heard about the Cronulla Riots?

    Celts tend to be extremely loyal if they think you're ok. Great to work with if you need someone to watch your back. Your fights are their fights. Cliched, but damn true. If they think you're dodgy you will know it quickly. A few years ago i moved to back to Sweden. I soon realised i was too culturally Celtic to survive there. Where was the banter, the irony, the highly expressed emotions? Tomorrow the Celts will be pissing me off again, but i do like those cantankerous bastards.

  4. So, why bother involving the law so much in daily life? They're always stretched too thin, they lack the collective knowledge that community members would have if they put their heads together, their powers are hamstrung by legal regulations, and being outside mercenaries, their motives are not always in the locals' best interests -- corruption and careerist showboating are particularly likely at the highest levels. Not to mention the financial cost of convicting criminals, then maintaining such a sprawling prison population through their term.

    "corruption and careerist showboating" Perhaps the fact that this is more the case amongst the violent clannish type cultures is a driver in what stops a culture of law being established there...

    The Southern dumb White states have high imprisonment rates overall though. It seems like whatever is gained by losing Blacks preying on Whites is more than offset by having thick Micks or Scotch or what have you preying on Whites and one another.

    Southern Whites might discourage Black criminals, but they are, y'know, scum. I guess you could say a 50% Southern White, 50% Black state might have better crime figures than a 50% Northern White, 50% Black state, but I think that's a bit of reach too far. I don't think the response to crime is that predictable.

  5. As one of those Blacks in the sparse White areas (Maine), I can tell you what the situation likely is: that is, you can count the number of Black people around here on one hand (so long as you're not in Lewiston). The few Blacks that are here are likely more select, for similar reasons as to ND and HI, hence, the crime rate is low.

  6. La Griffe found a different reason: states that lock up more people *in general* have a lower black/white imprisonment ratio.

    "The disparity ratio is greater than unity because blacks commit more crime per capita than whites. Liberals simply tweak the ratios upward by setting high incarceration thresholds in jurisdictions they control. The tweaking is sufficient to produce an observable trend in which the largest disparity ratios are found in progressive states. "

  7. The liberals will no doubt crack down on these racist whites.

  8. I would have to disagree with alot of this. There are alot of Irish in Connecticut and New Jersey, and Black incarceration rates are among the highest in the nation in those states. Same goes for Utah and Vermont. Alot of Scottish there and yet Blacks get locked up alot over there. I think a bigger part has to do with other factors, such as education level, age, spatial distribution. This article is quite one-sided. The measage I'm getting from the author is that of "Blacks are savages". This doesn't take other things into account.

  9. I made my own post in response to Dusk in Autumn.

  10. The local prosecutor told me, he checks the murdered mans background, and if the guy was a troublemaker the prosecutor forgets about it. (Mississippi)


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