August 10, 2020

Lesbians cannot be manic pixie dream girls, but bisexuals can (the criterion of flirtatiousness)

Under quarantine I've been making an effort to figure out lesbians, after having figured out gay syndrome back in 2012.

A recent post reviewed the big picture, so I'll only summarize here. In a nutshell gays are psychologically, and somewhat physically, 6 year-old boys -- "ewww, girls are yucky" -- just with the sex drive of someone who's gone through puberty. They are neotenous, or resembling small children. Lesbians are the opposite, who even in their 20s resemble middle-aged women who are nearing menopause and in the winding-down stage of their sex life ("lesbian bed death").

At root, homosexuality is a permanent dislocation of the stage in the life cycle, and all the other aspects or symptoms of homosexuality stem from being in an enduring juvenile state (gays) or perimenopausal state (lesbians).

One of the consequences of lesbians being perimenopausal is that they aren't very flirtatious, obviously not towards men, but not towards women either (whether the target woman is lesbian, bi, or straight). Turning on that flirtatious charm belongs to young women or teenagers who have yet to get married, let alone reach menopause. If they were somewhat older, they would at least have to be young at heart in order to be a flirt.

Generally, though, once their hormonal profile shifts out of the libidinal 20-something stage, they lose their ability or inclination to flirt. In the life stages where she's married, she is only going to interact romantically with one man, to whom she is pair-bonded. Flirting is for earlier life stages where that bond has not been solidified yet, and she's interacting romantically with strangers or casual acquaintances, to judge which of them is most suitable for long-term marriage and family formation.

That is the key to answering the question of whether lesbians can be manic pixie dream girls. They superficially check some of the boxes -- quirky, slightly tomboyish, "I'm not like other girls," etc. -- so there ought to be some lesbians within the character type. Only there are not, not just characters who are lesbian, but lesbian actresses playing a straight MPDG role. Indeed, the actresses who do play these roles are among the least lesbian-seeming women (Julia Roberts, Zooey Deschanel, Rachel Bilson).

And to reiterate a crucial point from my previous posts on the MPDG, it is defined by a relational role, not an individual personality or persona. Quirky habits, offbeat fashion -- that does not matter. She plays the role of an earthly guardian angel, someone who nurses a wary, down-on-his-luck man back to social-emotional health, so that he can accomplish great things and find true love (with her or someone else).

This recuperation takes place within a romantic context, so someone needs to take the initiative to get the romance started. But since the guy is in an emotional rut, it won't be him. He may be capable of longing, pining, and yearning -- but not taking the lead (yet). Rather, it is she who decides to kick things off, both to help another person and to set off on another one of life's many adventures.

And she can't very well ignite the initial sparks of their romance if she isn't flirtatious. She goes well beyond ordinary flirting, in fact -- striking up conversations with total strangers, giving them unsolicited advice or guidance on serious matters, or cracking coarse jokes with someone she's just met (when usually these require the two to be familiar in order to not sound vulgar). She is a playful instigator.

This demonstrates her eagerness to engage with people she only casually knows, or does not know at all, as with a young woman still looking for the right guy to eventually settle down with -- but unlike a long-married wife.

Why does the guy need someone like this? Because he's in a rut, possibly coming out of a broken long-term relationship or marriage, and he can't go right back into pair-bonding mode. He has to get warmed up with simple exercises first, and get back in social-emotional shape. That means a relationship with someone he knows only casually at most. It's practice before the real game where the stakes are at their greatest.

The MPDG is a kind of cheerleader, encouraging the guy to give it his best shot. Their relationship is a kind of pep rally before the actual game. And one of the hallmarks of the cheerleader is her flirtatiousness, making the first move in engaging with a crowd whose members she may only know casually or not at all.

Now we see why lesbians do not make good manic pixie dream girls. In their perimenopausal state, they find it difficult to seek excitement by flirting with casual acquaintances or strangers, especially when they are the ones starting it. So even if they did meet the criteria of empathy, nurturing instinct, slightly tomboyish behavior, and so on, they would not be suited to igniting the initial sparks of a spontaneous adventure. Again, that is regardless of whether the target were male or female, or if female, whether she were lesbian, bi, or straight.

I think if lesbians tried to play the MPDG role, they would intuitively pick up on the youthfulness of the role, but would focus on the behaviors that don't require them to be horny -- acting crazy / wacky / zany / random, blurting out weird or inappropriate things, and in general being reckless and impulsive. True, young people act that way more than old people. But that doesn't make them flirtatious, which requires a libidinal motivation. If the person isn't horny and window-shopping around for an eventual long-term partner, they aren't going to act flirtatiously.

Lesbians do not get as blood-pumpingly horny as normal women do, because internally they're far beyond that life stage, and are nearing the stage where sex is irrelevant (having already procreated, or not), but where affection, companionship, and pair-bonding are still important. So, as zany and impulsive as they may be able to perform, they won't be able to nail the requirement of flirtatiousness.

Bisexual girls on the other hand -- now that's a whole 'nother story. They most closely resemble male homosexuals in being more inclined toward a juvenile rather than a mature stage of life. They don't have to put on an act of excitement-seeking, they're that way naturally. They can be very flirtatious. They're a bit tomboyish. They're not particularly empathetic or nurturing, but they're still female, so they have a healthy instinct for taking care of others. And not that it matters, but they also have the "I'm not like other girls" surface-level traits as well.

Thus, bisexuals could be manic pixie dream girls. That would seem to be true whether they were targeting a sad-sack straight guy or a lovelorn lesbian. In fact, I'll bet lesbians see themselves not as a potential MPDG, but as a potential recipient of the MPDG's charms and cheerleading. And I'll bet they sense that such a free-spirited and flirtatious fox is less likely to be a fellow lesbian, and far more likely to be a bisexual.

As perimenopausals, lesbians feel like they're permanently undergoing a midlife crisis -- who better to attract the attention of a young earthly guardian angel looking to restore a deserving soul back to social-emotional health, so that they can find true love?

And now that we're entering the restless warm-up phase of the 15-year excitement cycle, these dynamics are about to kick into high gear, not like we've seen since the late 2000s. As in the previous heydays of the MPDG, the paragons will have been born in a manic phase of the cycle, now the second half of the 1990s (most recently, the first half of the 1980s).

So for all the innumerable readers here who are lesbians around 30 and feeling stuck in a romantic rut, just perk up your ears near your bi or bi-curious acquaintances, especially if they were born from 1995 to 1999. They'll restore you back to romantic health during the early 2020s.

I wouldn't mind seeing a movie or TV show treating these themes. It would be better than the typical woketard crap which makes anything about gays and lesbians ideological and valorizes the transgressive aspect. It would be more realistic, humanizing, and relatable for a normie audience to see a 31 year-old lesbian who's down on her luck, serendipitously runs into a 23 year-old bisexual free spirit, and the familiar MPDG plot continues from there.

They are not "just like us," but parts of their lives are familiar enough. And in any case, whatever the culture-makers can do to get away from the campy trannie focus of "LGBT culture," the better. Ditto for the retarded and mind-numbing obsession with "representation". If lesbians don't belong in a certain role, don't portray them in it. Cast who belongs there. Lesbians as the recipient of the MPDG's nurturing adventures, bisexuals as the MPDG herself.


  1. Julianne Moore in "The Kids are Alright" played a sort of Manic Pixie lesbian.

  2. Other way around: she is the sad sack, Mark Ruffalo is the manic pixie dream guy. She is the bored, unappreciated one stuck in an emotional rut, and he is the exciting bohemian motorcycle rider.

    He appreciates her gardening skill, making her feel confident and validated. He's the third wheel that threatens the stability of the protagonist's marriage, a la Rachel Bilson in The Last Kiss. His involvement ultimately serves to strengthen the love life of the protag, however indirectly, and naturally he ends up on his own, not happily ever after with the protag. Typical fate of the MPDG.

    Plus, Ruffalo is the younger person and a manic-phase birth ('67), making him right for the role. Moore is a restless-phase birth ('60), and older than him, making her the opposite of the MPDG. She's the recipient of MPDG-esque behavior.

    That movie underscores how the lesbian is destined to be the sad-sack target of the MPDG, not the MPDG herself.

    Still, they didn't quite get the MPDG role right, since they made it a straight male character rather than a bisexual girl.

  3. If a certain lesbian is reading this, I have a suggestion for your MPDG. You already know her from online -- a fellow Adriatic girl, who could re-vital-ize your soul. Seems bi or bi-curious, free-spirited, born in the late '90s (to your early '90s).

    Screenshot this to her like, "omg, can you believe what bloggy boy is suggesting now?" You have plausible deniability -- I broke the ice, not you.

    Worst-case scenario, she says, "ikr, isn't he crazy?" and you both have a good laugh at my expense. Your MPDG will turn out to be someone else during the next several years.

    Best-case scenario goes more like,

    her: winner of the random post of the year award

    you: ikr, where does he get these ideas?

    her: fr

    you: fr

    her: but i mean...

    you: [deep breath]

    her: it's not like he's completely retarded...

    you: even retarded arguments may have a kernel of truth

    her: we *are* both kindred Adriatic spirits

    And so on and so forth -- ok, enough fan-fic! I just think you two would be cute together. If not literally her, for whatever reasons, then figuratively her, someone like her.

  4. What about "Chasing Amy"(1997)? Similar setup, except the hero blows it - lesbian is neurotic and depressed, but the male love interest has his own insecurity and can't rise to the occasion.

    In "Chasing Amy", its also implied that the lesbian character is actually heterosexual, but was traumatized by past humiliations. Or she could be an example of the hypersexual bisexual type personality.

  5. I believe a lot of lesbian macho posturing, like dressing up as bikers, is just play pretend - equivalent to little girls playing dress up. The key here is that gay men also sometimes like to dress up like bikers. Ever see the Sopranos episode with Vito?

    The same lesbian who dresses up like a biker to a gay bar is also probably likely to have stuffed animals at home. "Hey, why don't we dress up like bikers! Neato!"

  6. Nice response from Katy Perry's Teenage Dream, which I just picked up on CD.

    Rolled up to the library, passing a tan brunette MILF and her elementary school daughter. The chorus of "T.G.I.F" was playing, and the girl got excited enough to start doing cartwheels in the parking lot.

    Must have been a sense memory -- "hey, i think i was conceived to this song!" The cute mom got a kick out of it, too.

    The daughter must've been a manic-phase birth, and so a likely candidate for becoming a manic pixie dream girl when she grows up. The current generation of MPDGs, born in the second half of the '90s, were doing cartwheels to Katy Perry back when those songs originally came out.

    And just as a reminder, Katy Perry herself was a MPDG in the late 2000s, especially the song and music video for "Simple". It was unreleased, but should be released for the first time now -- it'll be the same phase of the 15-year excitement cycle, and the entertainment industries are drying up of content now anyway under the pandemic.

  7. An interesting comparison of contemporary phenomenon to their historical counter-parts:


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