October 15, 2018

Baggy replaces skin-tight, as manic exhibitionism gives way to vulnerable coziness, echoing early 2000s, late '80s, and early '70s

One of the most bizarre reminders that we have entered a similar cultural phase as the early 2000s is the revival, seemingly out of nowhere, of really long boxy sweater jackets on girls. I can't find any contemporaneous pictures, but they do reliably make lists of early 2000s fashion items.

I distinctly remember seeing them in college. Was it a bath-robe? Trying to imitate granny's duster? Whatever it was, why are you wearing that outside of your dorm room? It just seemed so unnatural for young babes to be dressed up like old maids.

Fast-forward 15 years, and here is just one of many in Forever 21's sweater section:

The rest of their sweaters are a lot more billowy, boxy, bulky, and balloony than just five years ago, when slim-fitting was the norm.

And it's not just what they're wearing on top -- pant legs have not flared out this wide since the heyday of the boot-cut, velour trackpants, and JNCO jeans during the first half of the 2000s.

Since the late 2010s, several articles such as this one have taken note of the revival of looks from the early 2000s. And while some may be meaningless self-aware references on the runway, the flared pant legs and oversized tops are widespread and spontaneous shifts among ordinary people.

There were similar shifts during the second half of the '80s, as the skin-tight jeans of the early '80s gave way to the looser-fitting "mom / dad jeans" (and parachute pants at the extreme), and as sweaters, jackets, and coats blew up to blimp-like proportions.

Finally, the early '70s saw the same shift -- pant legs flared far out from the slimmer "mod" look of the second half of the '60s. This was the peak era of bell-bottom jeans, but all pants were flared. Tops were not as boxy as they would become by the late '80s, but they were still more loose and flowy in the sleeves than during the '60s. Collars were also gigantic, along with big ascots on blouses -- similar to the rise of the turtleneck during the late '80s, and the slouchy cowl neck during the early 2000s and today. Something that obscures the underlying body contours.

What the late 2010s, early 2000s, late '80s, and early '70s share is their place in the 15-year cultural excitement cycle: they are the vulnerable, mellow phase after energy levels have crashed from the manic invincible phase.

During this social-cultural refractory period, no more excitement is possible, and they're over-sensitive to attempts to get them excited again. So they just want to be left alone for awhile while their energy levels have a chance to recover to normal. Normal levels are reached during the restless, warm-up phase, when they are excitable again, but have yet to take off on another manic spike. Then the cycle repeats.

It's straightforward to interpret the shift toward blanket-like clothing as one method of insulating themselves from social contact during an over-sensitive refractory phase. Apart from insulation against unwanted attention, it gives them a cozy and secure feeling that they're more likely to seek out during a period of vulnerability.

I wrote two comments here and here on exhibitionist clothing styles during the manic phase -- mini and micro-mini skirts during the late '60s vs. midi and maxi dresses during the '70s, skin-tight jeans during the early '80s vs. loose and even baggy jeans during the late '80s and early '90s, thongs during the late '90s vs. boy shorts during the 2000s, and leggings-as-pants during the early 2010s vs. the return of denim and now flared legs during the late 2010s (and presumably the early 2020s).

An earlier post on the decline of the No Pants Subway Ride discussed the long-term trends in exhibitionism vs. covering up as reflecting the long-term trends in violent crime rates. As crime rates soared, it brought the risk of rape into the front of women's minds, and they responded by covering up and obscuring their figure, so as to not draw unwanted attention in the first place. That was evident by the early '70s, and reached its peak during the late '80s and early '90s. And it happened as well during the Jazz Age, with its boxy shapes, during another wave of rising crime rates.

It's only during falling-crime periods when women start to worry less and less about rape, and feel less worried about going out in public with their shape easily visible to all. We've seen that not only since the second half of the '90s through the recent trend of "leggings as pants," but also during the Midcentury, whose iconic woman is the "sweater girl" wearing a tight-fitting "bullet bra" that left nothing to the imagination.

Here, then, we see a case where the manic phase of the cultural excitement cycle does not resemble the outgoing / rising-crime phase of the crime-and-cocooning cycle. Manic, invincible-feeling people are exhibitionistic, whereas rising crime rates make people feel vulnerable and want to cover up in everyday settings.

Typically, the manic phase and the rising-crime phase resemble each other, since it is outgoing-ness that leads to rising crime rates, as potential predators find more targets when more people are out and about, and when people are trusting and letting their guard down during a fun-loving zeitgeist. Manic energy levels and extraversion are similar, but not identical, and the case of covered-up vs. baring-all reveals their separation.


  1. It's the Swess. The sweater that doubles as a dress. It is supposed to be a stand alone item. Only tarded NPC bitches like the one posted above pair it with other clothes mistakenly thinking it makes them look more sophisticated.

  2. Are you a fag or someone still reading PUA blogs after 2007? Hard to tell the diff by now in their tone. That harshness-up-to-11 tone doesn't make you sound like some alpha negging an NPC, but just like some catty fag runway critic.

    At any rate, no it's not a dress, it's a long sweater jacket or coat, as you can tell from the other dozens of examples on that site. Dresses and skirts never have pockets, and these all have pockets placed where a jacket or coat would have them.

    The only difference from their early 2000s ancestors is the lack of a belt this time. It did look too much like a bathrobe or house coat, and leaving it off makes it more appropriate for wearing outside the house.

  3. Felt like wearing my vintage Pendleton sweater today, and it's a big boxy one -- definitely from the late '80s or early '90s. I picked it up in 2015 or '16, during the vulnerable phase.

    Don't know if I would've chosen it during the early 2010s -- it does have a Southwest tribal geometric pattern, and high-contrast colors, which I was into at the time (along with everyone else). But it's so loose and baggy -- probably would have let it go because it wasn't a slim fit.

    Here it is, from a girl who raided the guys' section at the thrift store:


    Slouch-o-rama. And yet, very cozy, especially now that autumn weather is cooperating.

    Really the only thing that was slouchy during the early 2010s were beanies. And girls wearing the tops of their boots slouchy. But actual clothing on the body was not.

  4. This is the sweater I wore on Election Day (back when supporting Trump was still anti-Establishment). After walking me over to a voting machine, a Bernie babe working there said, "Wow, I really love your sweater!"

    Horseshoe theory is true. The anti-Establishment people on both sides want to see these things Made in USA again. They have nothing to lose but their Chinese rags. Vintage lovers of all parties unite!

    1. Yes! I remember being able to find Pendleton sweaters easily in Charleston thrift stores 20 years ago, but my town now is too hot and downscale now...

      Did score a c1950 Pendleton blanket for $16 at an antique store (gifted a trucker relative who genuinely appreciated it). Ooh, Ag, you could just smell the scent of Old Money wafting off of it! It was plaid, not the Southwestern style that goes for way more $$$.

      While researching it, discovered Pendleton had offshored to China, tragic! You better believe I pointed out to my brother-in-law that his lap blanket was American. And as a Bernie-voting Dem who voted Trump, he greatly appreciated this.

  5. Pendleton blankets are still made in USA, but looks like the sweaters, shirts, and possibly other apparel are now made in China.

    Woolrich stopped manufacturing in USA longer ago.

    L.L. Bean's gone, other than the Bean Boots that are still made in Maine, and so is Eddie Bauer.

    You want the real stuff, you have to sift through the mounds of mostly new junk at thrift stores, or pay a little more for specialty vintage / antique stores and websites.

  6. I am comforted that this is part of a cycle and not a permanent move towards female modesty (which has long been a fear of mine).

    I occasionally visit some manosphere blogs and those guys are so out of touch on this. I tell them I see women dressing really frumpy and they say no women are dressing sexier than ever which goes along with them being more sexually active than ever (another misconception). I can't help but wonder if they just stay home on their computers and never go out to see what's really happening?

  7. They're just projecting male onto female psychology. If a guy gets horny and wants to signal it, he takes off his shirt or wears a "muscle shirt".

    If a girl shows more skin or wears more form-fitting clothes, it just means she's in a manic mood, seeking attention but that's it.

    Wanting to be desired more than wanting to get laid is a female trait that the autistic manosphere types will never understand.

    This relates to their crypto-tranny tendencies, where they fantasize about being a hot babe who tears off her clothes and goes to town with another hot babe (when they jack off to lesbian porn, or get excited at girl-on-girl kissing in a movie or TV show).

    Like overt trannies, they don't get that there are differences between male and female psychology, let alone what they are. In their conception of the world, girls are just dudes with a fuckhole between their legs. Exactly the same view as trannies.

  8. Seeing lots of olive drab green jackets out this fall along with camo patterns everywhere. Backpacks, jackets, shirts etc. Any thoughts on this in terms of crime cycles or the theory you're fleshing out above? Seems like it could be the cycles interacting (cozy + cocooning/end of cocooning where people are getting ready to go out and interact again but are overdoing it since they've forgotten how).


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