July 28, 2013

Blond people as the East Asians of Europe (and redheads as the Mongols?)

Sometime I plan on writing up what I see as the major historical races of Europe, and blond hair is one of the defining markers for one of these groups. Basically, Baltic-Slavic-Nordic. Below is a rough sketch of my thoughts so far.

Slavic, meaning where they originated from in the eastern and northern parts of Europe, not southern Slavs whose geography, appearance, subsistence mode, and culture in general are the total opposites of the original Slavs. And Nordic, meaning Scandinavian (although not the Norse / Vikings, who they largely displaced or replaced).

Their language group is Balto-Slavic, a fairly uncontroversial joining of the Baltic and Slavic sub-families within Indo-European. Many today also speak Germanic languages in Scandinavia, but I think those were originally the languages of fiery redheads, from the groups who Tacitus describes up through the Vikings. Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish were adopted by the conquerors of the Vikings, probably before the actual conquest, during their initial entry into Scandinavia.

Their most defining physical characteristic is a high percentage of blond hair. Related to this is what I observe to be higher rates of baldness. As a quick check, notice how bald the Russian and Soviet leaders have been from Lenin to Putin (minus Stalin, an ethnic Georgian). Anglo leaders tend to have fuller heads of hair, particularly if they're more Celtic like Kennedy or Reagan.

As I've described elsewhere, baldness was selected for as an honest signal of monogamous future behavior by husbands. What are your options for cheating on your wife when you're bald? Your wife can project that forecast just as easily as you can, so you both know -- and are perhaps even aware of each other's knowledge -- that the husband isn't going to stray. The best part -- whether he wants to stray or not. It doesn't neuter his libido necessarily, but only his ability to make use of it toward adultery.

The Baltic-Slavic-Nordic race is also obsessed with hygiene, regulations, and order. Outsource the regulation of social behavior to larger-scale third parties like the state, rather than settle things among yourselves. This basic attitude takes slightly different shape in Scandinavian socialist countries, the quasi-socialist Scandinavian Midwestern America, Mormon country, and the heart of the Soviet Union.

All of this makes the blondest race sound like Europe's take on the East Asian morph, such as the Japanese or Han Chinese. Much lighter than their neighbors? Check. More monogamous in actuality, whether or not they have bizarre thoughts or perverted desires? Yep. Obsessed with hygiene, though not so much with disgust in a broad sense? Orderliness, a deeply felt need for regulations in social and even personal life? Involving the state in what are usually personal or grassroots-level matters? Yes, yes, and yes again.

And as with the Baltic-Slavic-Nordic group, the Han and Japanese are not entirely the same. The Japanese are not quite as adapted to large-scale sedentary agriculture as the Han are, because they live in a more hilly and mountainous area with lots of rivers and seas to fish in, and they appear to have mixed with a relatively more go-with-the-flow group. Their state is not as intrusive as it is in China. Japan is more like Scandinavia, and China more like Russia / Soviet core.

Parenting styles are more helicopter parent / tiger mother among these groups, and they tend to spend more time within a nuclear family setting, cocooning away from the community.

All of these groups like minimalist aesthetics too, in contrast to their neighbors who value at least a little ornament in their visual culture. What their neighbors call bland and soul-starving, they would call calming and meditative.

What about their material culture drives them all this way, and their neighbors in some other way? It's the age-old story of farmers vs. herders. The Baltic-Slavic-Nordic race appears to be the end result of adaptation to the European plain, which is designed for large-scale sedentary agriculture. Ditto their East Asian counterparts.

The Celto-Germanic race was made for more hardy living up in hilly or mountainous regions, relying more on transhumance pastoralism than on planting and harvesting crops. They don't suffer as much from OCD, and if anything skip a little on personal hygiene while being moved more forcefully by a sense of disgust. Strong central states that could mediate as third parties in lower-level disputes are hard to come by in hilly, mountainous regions, so they're more adapted to face-to-face relations, whether revenge and feuding after an insult, or the culture of hospitality to prevent anyone from getting on anyone else's bad side.

And because herding livestock involves less drudgery but more risk, Celto-Germanic people are more party-hardy or "work hard, play hard" types, while the Baltic-Slavic-Nordic group is less spirited and joyful, either nose-the-grindstone or just total listless drop-outs (the opium den, the drunken Balto-Slavic peasant).

As for unusual hair color, they're more likely to have a good fraction of redheads rather than blonds. Generally, though, their look is dark hair and light eyes.

These differences come into focus most sharply in the artificial country today called "Deutschland." The western and southern regions are more Germanic, and the northern and eastern regions more Nordic. The innumerable conflicts that follow this fault-line are often described as a form of civil war or civil conflicts -- the Protestant Reformation vs. the German Catholics, the Nazi north vs. the Conservative south, Scandinavian orderliness in the north vs. the carnivalesque Oktoberfest in the south, the more dynamic south and the more listless north, and so on. Soviet influence doesn't go back to the Reformation, and was probably not terribly out of place in the east. At worst, adding yet another layer of what was already there on top of itself.

But the more I look at it, the more it seems like an inter-group conflict, and not always within a single nation-state where "civil war" would make more sense. It's a larger clash of civilizations that's been going on since the Baltic-Slavic-Nordic group began its push from the east and drove the Germanic groups farther west -- the last major migration with chain reactions throughout Europe.

That's enough of a sketch for now. The title of this post comes from a comment to the post below on the greater tendency for blonds to play it safe, and so not wind up at the highest levels of cultural achievement. Someone named "The Blondest" stole the words out from my mouth about the similarity between blonds and East Asians. I'm copying the whole comment below the asterisks, to reinforce what I've said, while showing that it's not just crazy armchair theorizing.

If you've met enough people, been to enough places, or at least read about them, I don't think these basic ideas should be too controversial, although you might not have tied them all together in your awareness before.

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Blondes are bascially less-spergy more atheletic East Asians. I say this from my experience being a blonde man. Blondes are more practical in their thinking than dark haired white people. A lot of the biggest white losers and white winners I know tend to be dark haired white people. While most of the blondes I know are successful, yet not at the top of their fields.

Also I noticed that I and my blonde family members and friends tend to be less criminal than dark haired whtie people. I have known some whtie felons, nearly all of them tend to be dark haired.

On the flipside of things. Most of the creative people I know tend to be dark haired white people. My mother is a pretty good artist compared to me, and she is dark haired. Most of the musicians and interesting academics I knew from college were dark haired.

Also I noticed that me and many blonde people have an easy time with East Asians. A lot of my friends tend to be East Asian. Many blonde people I know have close East Asian friends. Most of the whtie guys that date or marry East Asian girls tend to be blonde. Also I noticed a lot of academic books written about East Asian culture tend to be from blonde people. Also most normal weeboo (white anime fans) tend to be blondes. They are not into the tenacle porn stuff like many dark haired weeboos.

A huge number of gay guys I know are natural blondes. However, they tend to be more normal and sociable than dark haired white and East Asian gay guys.

My blonde friends tend to have far more diverse and bigger circle of friends than most East Asians I know. Also I have noticed the most hardcore whtie spergs tend to be dark haired white people, and the most normal autistic white people tend to be blondes. They usually have good jobs and some success with women compared to the dark haired white spergs.

Most Blondes I know tend to be atheletic and not fat. A lot of exercise science majors I know are blonde. Many blondes are health nerds. A lot of blonde people are into paleo-diet like my brother in law.

The smartest vets and cops I know tend to be blondes too. They usually have degrees and study their fields of work. And I noticed blondes tend to be politically moderate yet oprn minded about controversial subjects like race realism. They usually do not have extreme political opinions even in a moderate sense. Ann Coulter and Wendy Davis are bottle blondes I might add.

Lastly I have met a lot of blondes with STEM degrees, but they have little interest in theoritical stuff like string theory. They usually want to become IT professionals, engineers or geneticists.

Blondes are usually viewed as being cute and childish, because blondes are simply more laid back about life than dark haired white people. However, this seriousness of dark haired white people is one of the reasons why they are more accomplished than blondes.

I think if the Nordic region had been a island with considerable distance from other landmasses. I believe it would be culturally like a less perverted and more atheletic version of Japan made up of tall blonde people. I think gene flow from dark haired people have somewhat hastened this directional selection toward blondeness. In some alternative universe, the Nords would be their own distinct race of blonde giants. They would be known for their good economics yet bland pop-culture. Actually that sounds like the Nordic countries today.

PS: Sorry for the bad spelling and grammer. I did not edit this well. Also I am not looking to have a flame war with anybody. I am serious about my observations, but they are still just my observations. I am very interested if anybody has noticed the same things I noticed about my fellow blondes. Also I am not defending blondes. We are less creative and somewhat more spergy than dark haired white people.

23 comments:

  1. The Baltic-Slavic-Nordic race is also obsessed with hygiene, regulations, and order.

    The Nordics are obsessed with those, not the Slavs. No one who's been to Russia would think that Russians are obsessed with hygiene or like to follow orders. The rule of law has never existed in Russia, and your personal connections determine which rules apply to you. In Russia, official regulations are just pieces of paper and there's no moral imperative to follow them if you can ignore them. In Scandinavia, it's the opposite. Besides the blondness, I don't see much similarity between the Slavs and the Scandinavians, although I'm most familiar with Scandinavia and Russia and not the other Slavic nations.

    Soviet influence doesn't go back to the Reformation, and was probably not terribly out of place in the east [of Germany].

    Communism worked much better in East Germany than just about elsewhere, but then again most political systems would probably work better with Germans than Slavs.

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  2. "The Baltic-Slavic-Nordic race is also obsessed with hygiene, regulations, and order. Outsource the regulation of social behavior to larger-scale third parties like the state, rather than settle things among yourselves. "

    The Baltic-Slavic-Scandinavian region was probably the last region in Europe to have strong, centralized states. The Polish-Lituanian Commonwealth is probably the best example, but in the first millennium C.E. almost all the region is composed of independent villages and tribes, elective monarchies were the king was a primus inter pares, and similar socio-political systems.

    About "helicopter parenting": the slavic immigrants in Portugal have indeed a reputation of being strict (and their sons in school have a reputation of good students, much similar to the reputation that I think East Asians have in US; curiously, I never noticed a similar reputation to the Chinese immigrants in Portugal). However, Scandinavia have probably the high rates of working mothers in Europa - I admit that this in not necessarly relevant for the point specially because depends much of what children do when they are not with the parents (alone in home? playing unsupervised with other kids? in the home og grandpas? in some kind of institutional setting, like day care?).

    According to the site TV Troops, "free range children" are common in Russia (see "Real Life" section), but I admit that it is not a much credible source.

    A paralell point - at least in Portugal, both scandinavian and slavic women have the reputation if being easily sexually "avaliable", but I am not much sure if this point has any relvance for the discussion

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  3. The Nazis tended to see their "Nordic race" as relatively uncreative, as well, compared to other European "races", but more deeply competent. Deeply sane (low schizotypal and mood disorder traits) and equinamous, without much in the way of either neuroticism or manic-extraversion (compared to the "mad" Celts, "passionate" Mediterraeans and "romantic" slavs), fits with my stereotype of the Nordic types.

    It fits a bit with the pole of blondeness, in Finland or Sweden, although Finns apparently describe themselves as freebooting rednecks (if introverted ones), but not with the common Western stereotypes of high strung Redheads (thin skinned, neurotic and anger prone, more than firey as such) and fun loving blondes which we have.

    Not really my stereotype of the Russians and Poles either, who I tend to think of as deeply romantic and sentimental. Great Russian novels and dancing Slavic peasants and so on I suppose. It would be interesting to see what someone like Turchin thinks of this, as a Russian.

    On the role of the state, I think reputedly Ireland and Brittany are supposedly more statist and officious than the Anglo-Saxon model, while Scotland is usually reputed to be more left wing statist than "libertarian" England within the United Kingdom, make of that what you will.

    I always thought of Switzerland and Austria as being the peak of neurotic-order, that whole area of south central Europe (which is probably the most admirable European region from a talent perspective). Hofstede's uncertainty avoidance variable does not show any real peaks in the Nordic region, who tend to appear to be low uncertainty avoidance and comfortable with uncertainty, and is higher in Austria than the Nordics (and also high in the Czech Republic and Switzerland), but is high in the Slavic nations (http://geert-hofstede.com/ ).

    Another stereotype of interest in Europe might be tannable versus untannable skin. We tend to think of the tanned and tannable as fun loving and the pale as having more fear. It might be interesting if this mapped to the nations with more versus less tannable skin.

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  4. I suggest you read Charles massive "Human Accomplishment."
    Nearly everything in the world came out of the world, and it came from the areas in Europe where blonds dominate - say, northern Italy, which produced a lot, as compared to southern Italy, which produced nothing (possibly because of Muslim Arab rape genes?)

    One of the worst thing about today is Evo-Psych. It's the modern-day version of phrenology - a pseudo-science the silly try to use to explain everything

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  5. «On the role of the state, I think reputedly Ireland and Brittany are supposedly more statist and officious than the Anglo-Saxon model, while Scotland is usually reputed to be more left wing statist than "libertarian" England within the United Kingdom, make of that what you will.»

    I think that the personal inclinations to submission vs disrespect to authority have very small correlation with specifically political positions. My impression is that left-wingers (I consider myself as one, although probably more libertarian that the typical left-winger) have a purely ends-oriented attitude to authority (special state authority) - they could defend enthusiastically or oppose enthusiastically (easily crossing the line of civil disobedience, or even the glorification of criminal behavior) state regulation, depending if they agree or disagree with the ends of a particular regulation (an example: compare affirmative action with Jim Crow laws). Right-wingers tend to fall in two fields: some are defenders of individual freedom as a matter of principle, and some are defenders of law, order and stability as a matter of principle (these two groups are not necessarily mutually exclusive). Then, both a general culture of "obedience" or of "disobedience" could be associated to a more left-wing or more right-wing political environment.

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  6. "Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish were adopted by the conquerors of the Vikings..."

    There is no evidence that Balts or Slavs ever conquered Scandinavia. Quite a few things are known about the history of Scandinavia during and after the Viking period. The Carolingian Empire bordered Scandinavia all through the Viking period and afterwards. The Carolingian empire was highly literate by medieval standards. Its historians and annalists would have recorded such an enormous event as a wholesale population replacement on their borders. They certainly recorded the event that was much smaller in scale and opposite in nature to what you suggest, namely the conquest of the eastern Slavic and Finnic lands (which were not yet called Russia) by a small Scandinavian military elite (the Rus').

    Soon after the end of the Viking period Scandinavia accepted Christianity. This greatly increased the use of literacy by Scandinavians. There are no indications of population replacement in the local written record.

    "Related to this is what I observe to be higher rates of baldness."

    I have't noticed blonds going bald at a higher (or lower) rate than redheads or brunets. If there is a statistically significant difference, it's got to be small, and I don't even know which way it would go.

    "As a quick check, notice how bald the Russian and Soviet leaders have been from Lenin to Putin"

    Lenin was at most 1/4th or 1/8th Russian. Besides that he's known to have had Jewish, German, Swedish and Kalmyk (Mongoloid) ancestry. Brezhnev and Yeltsin were fully Russian and had lots of hair into old age.

    What are your options for cheating on your wife when you're bald?

    If you're rich, powerful or very masculine, the options are plentiful. Women care about their partners' appearance about a thousand times less than men do.

    "The Baltic-Slavic-Nordic race is also obsessed with hygiene, regulations, and order."

    Germanics and Finns are obsessed with those things. Slavs aren't any more obsessed with hygiene or order than Spaniards, Irishmen or the French. In uncharitable moments Slavs view Germanics as rules-bound, joyless, unimaginative drones and Germanics view Slavs as undisciplined layabouts. The Russian writer Ivan Goncharov wrote a very famous (in Russia) novel about just this.

    All of this makes the blondest race sound like Europe's take on the East Asian morph, such as the Japanese or Han Chinese.

    This is truer of the Japanese than of the Chinese. The Japanese surely have an Ainu component and the Ainu at least look kind of Caucasoid. Or the Japanese could have developed their discipline and the samurai ethic (similar to the European aristocratic/gentlemanly ethic) independently.

    Their state is not as intrusive as it is in China.

    This is likely just the effect of a US occupation suppressing natural NE Asian instincts. Same thing in South Korea. After the US goes bankrupt and withdraws its troops, Japan's political system will probably look more like the current North Korean system than like the current Chinese system. Why? Because China is less homogeneous than Japan and Korea. China's leaders have to compromise, deal with real diversity. A fully sovereign Japan won't have that problem.

    "Japan is more like Scandinavia, and China more like Russia / Soviet core."

    To the small extent that cross-racial comparisons of this kind are valid, Russia is a bit like a mixture of Korea and Mongolia. Russians are more macho, on average, than Western Europeans while Mongols and Koreans seem to me more macho, on average, than other NE Asians.

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  7. "Parenting styles are more helicopter parent / tiger mother among these groups, and they tend to spend more time within a nuclear family setting, cocooning away from the community."

    Perhaps farming in northern latitudes selected for discipline and orderliness in everyone who engaged in it, regardless of whether they were Caucasoids or Mongoloids. Slavs originated in what's now western Ukraine/ south-eastern Poland, far south of the Germanic homeland in Scandinavia and of the Finnish homeland east of Scandinavia.

    "The Baltic-Slavic-Nordic race appears to be the end result of adaptation to the European plain, which is designed for large-scale sedentary agriculture."

    In early historical times Slavs, Balts and Finns were mostly farmers, as you say, but Scandies were farmers/raiders/pirates. They fell back on farming when raiding wasn't going well. I think Caesar wrote something very near to the above about "Germani". It has to be remembered that modern Germans are a mixture of Scandinavian, Germanic-speaking conquerors and originally-Celtic-speaking conquered peoples. The raiding lifestyle obviously would have selected for a different mindset than the purely farming lifestyle.

    Why did Scandies adopt the raiding lifestyle? Same reason as classical Greeks - a large ratio of coastline length to land area. War required mobility. Scythians and Mongols got mobile on horses on the open steppes. Scandies got mobile in boats because almost all of them lived on a coast. If Scandinavia had a smoother (i.e. shorter) coastline, a smaller percentage of its population would have lived on it, so a smaller percentage of its population would have had an opportunity to get mobile (this is before the development of roads), so Scandies wouldn't have raided as much as they ended up doing.

    And because herding livestock involves less drudgery but more risk, Celto-Germanic people are more party-hardy or "work hard, play hard" types...

    Germans are not party-hardy. Swiss Germans, who actually did herd animals on mountain slopes for millenia, are among the least party-hardy people on Earth.

    Your general point makes sense. Herding should select for less discipline, less capacity for hard work, more compulsiveness and adventurousness than farming. I suspect that Germans are primarily descended from farmers, with some Scandie raider heritage among the aristocracy. Why are Swiss Germans so disciplined, in spite of being descended from herders? Who knows? Maybe all the boisterous element permanently left the country as mercenaries and raiders (this also might have happened in Scandinavia). Maybe there were other reasons.

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  8. "...while the Baltic-Slavic-Nordic group is less spirited and joyful..."

    Russians ARE party-hardy. Russian drinking culture isn't gloomy. There's lots of loud, not very organized group singing around a table, boisterous dancing, laughter, etc. Scandies are gloomy though. Germans are neither gloomy nor boisterous, just quiet and businesslike. The Western Slavs are in everything a middle ground between Germans and Russians, with Czechs being a little more German-like than Poles.

    "...the Nazi north vs. the Conservative south..."

    I'm under the impression that the Nazi power base was in Bavaria early on. Obviously, Hitler was a southerner. I've read that the Nazi moniker originally referred to more than National Socialism. Supposedly Ignaz (Ignatius) was a typical Bavarian name. Nazi is supposed to have been a popular shortening of that name, and Bavarians are supposed to have been sometimes humorously called Nazis long before the rise of Nazism, in the same way that Russians sometimes call Germans Fritzs (Fritz is short for Friedrich). The old English nickname Dago for Mediterraneans came from Diego in a similar way. Anyway, from what I remember reading at Language Hat, the Nazi nickname came from the popular impression that there were lots of National Socialists among Bavarians, who were themselves sometimes called Nazis.

    I haven't looked up 1920s and 1930s German election results though, so these are just impressions and hearsay.

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  9. I've been wondering about this for awhile, but what exact traits go with "spergy"?

    -Curtis

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  10. Did state intrusiveness differ much between Japan & China during WW2? The difference afterward is due to the former being conquered by the U.S while the latter fell under Soviet influence (with Freda Utley & Gordon Tullock claiming the U.S State Department gave the commies an assist).

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  11. "I suggest you read Charles massive "Human Accomplishment.""

    I've read it and done my own research using his data.

    "Nearly everything in the world came out of the world, and it came from the areas in Europe where blonds dominate - say, northern Italy, which produced a lot, as compared to southern Italy, which produced nothing (possibly because of Muslim Arab rape genes?)"

    Blonds definitely do not "dominate" in northern Italy. And anyway, you're confusing individuals with groups. Doesn't matter if "areas with lots of blonds" did well -- you'd have to show that those eminent figures in Human Accomplishment were actually blond individuals, not simply "people from blond-heavy areas."

    Also, as I pointed out before, the blondest parts of Europe are among the least accomplished -- Scandinavia, the Baltic, and the northeastern Slavic areas.

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  12. As a historical point, northern Italy is more Celtic-Germanic (like the Langobards), not Baltic-Slavic-Nordic. They have light eyes but not blond hair.

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  13. "Also, as I pointed out before, the blondest parts of Europe are among the least accomplished -- Scandinavia the Baltic, and the northeastern Slavic areas."

    On the per capita basis Scandinavia is very accomplished. Tycho Brahe, Linnaeus, Abel, Lie, Bohr (Half-Scandinavian, but truly one of the greats), Svante Paabo, lots of others. For such a small region, population-wise, it's a lot. Surely above the European average. Try to think of that many Spanish+Portuguese scientific greats. It can't be done. Same for southern Italy, Poland, the Balkans if ancient Greece is excluded, the southern half of France. All of these regions are much larger demographically than Scandinavia.

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  14. "I haven't looked up 1920s and 1930s German election results though, so these are just impressions and hearsay."

    http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.pt/2007/07/catholics-and-nazi-vote-1932.html

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  15. "Did state intrusiveness differ much between Japan & China during WW2?"

    During most of 2nd millenium, China was a very centralized state, while Japan was under the power of the local "daimyo" (feudal lords).

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  16. On the per capita basis Scandinavia is very accomplished. Tycho Brahe, Linnaeus, Abel, Lie, Bohr (Half-Scandinavian, but truly one of the greats), Svante Paabo, lots of others. For such a small region, population-wise, it's a lot. Surely above the European average.

    Yes, there is this (and what you have said about Spain and Portugal can certainly be said about ultra Celtic Ireland), even looking at scientific Nobels, although small populations do benefit more from a few immigrants.

    If Scando-blondes don't have any accomplishments, the flip is that their brunette folk would seem to be the most accomplished people on earth.

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  17. I think that the personal inclinations to submission vs disrespect to authority have very small correlation with specifically political positions. .... Then, both a general culture of "obedience" or of "disobedience" could be associated to a more left-wing or more right-wing political environment.

    Seems fairly valid.

    Although I personally think apparent "obedience" in the right-wing vs left-wing is probably purely a product of loyalty to community versus the freedom to chop and change groups. I don't think there are any separate "authority" and "loyalty" factors where the right-wing score higher as Haidt suggests, but probably a higher order "loyalty to community" factor where they do.

    That is, right-wing folk appear to be obedient to the government because they are loyal to the community, and the government is the representative of the community. Right-wing folk tend be loyal to authorities who are plausibly a part of the community, not authorities which are external to it, indeed often tending to be harsher and more critical to authorities who are outside the community than the left-wing are (even when these aren't in conflict with the authorities within their community).

    This is probably a good part of the reason why conservatives, who often appear to be more fond of authority, often end up being in opposition to high modernist authoritarian projects like the Sovs, because they grow beyond the scope at which they are plausibly an organic part of the natural community.

    (a heightened sense of disgust possibly mediates the increased sense of loyalty, making it feel disgusting to abandon or forsake the community).

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  18. Miguel Madeira, thanks for the link. I see now that I was wrong about the geography of Nazi support.

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  19. The Blondest7/29/13, 9:09 PM

    Wow, I am tickled pink that you replied to my comment with a post. I thought the comment would not go over well since I admit that I do not have the best writing skills. However, I really like this reply.

    In reply to Curtis the question of what I consider to be spergy is simple.Spergy is basically the tendency to be alone, to be obsessive on certain tasks, to overanalyize things, to organize and collect things, and to be clean.

    East Asians and blondes share some of these traits. Eventhough, I do feel there are two big differences between blondes and East Asians.

    Blondes tend to be far more atheletic than East Asians. I have never seen East Asians excerise to the degree blondes do. For example exercise science programs are filled with blondes. And exercise science is not a simple physical education degree. It requires a lot of math and actual science. Exercise science degrees also led to good paying jobs like personal trainers and dieticians. The degree is very suited to East Asian ability and economic interests. However, I never met an East Asian interest in exercise in general beyond a few sports. Martial arts would be a good counter claim to my argument, I do not meet many East Asians who are into martial arts. Martial arts seems to be something East Asians created, but white people including blondes love.

    Blondes are infinetely more sociable than East Asians. A lot of East Asians are asocial. East Asians have weird and perverted interests. East Asians are more likely to cheat, be loud, and be downright rude. This from my personal experience in college and high school. East Asians do not play by the rules; eventhough, many suck up to authority figures.

    Blondes, however, are really good at playing by the rules and I might add at adapting to new rules. For example a lot blonde girls I know are really uptight. They are like Angela from the Office Show. One of my female relative is very much like Angela. However, my relative and other blonde girls are not meek like the Asian girls. They do not have a problem with dealing with strangers.

    Now I know a lot of blonde loners, but they are not anti-social in the way East Asians are. They generally do not have a problem with social mores.They are just not interested in people.

    Basically blondes are East Asians without the serious social and physical problems. My theory is that blondes are a byproduct of low population density and cold climate agrarian society. While East Asian are from high population density yet still cold climate agrarian society.

    Regulated thinking must have been a requirement to grow crops in environments with long winters and short springs. This likely fostered a very analytical form of thinking. Creativity would be a death senatance in this environment. This why East Asians and blondes are similar.

    The differences rises due to population density. East Asians lived in an environment with people living close togethor. Trust would be a disadvantage in environment with many nearby competitors. Meanwhile blondes lived in environment with people spread out. Trust would be a bigger requirement for survival. Blondes would have to be more sociable to survive.

    Also blondes are blonde while East Asians are dark haired, because of the trust factor in my opinion. Blonde people evolved to look less frightening to strangers. This why they tend to be fair haired with fair eye colors. Meanwhile East Asians retained darker features inorder to appear more combative to strangers. Eventhough, both blondes and East Asians have child like features.

    My hypothesis is not a complete one. I really do not know where to factor in pastoralism into the equation. Also this is just new idea I thought up a week ago. I have not done a lot of research on it. I will not be offended by any criticism toward it. I just want to get the ball rolling. And like always sorry for the grammer and spelling errors. I wrote this comment on the fly.

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  20. "The differences rises due to population density. East Asians lived in an environment with people living close togethor. Trust would be a disadvantage in environment with many nearby competitors. Meanwhile blondes lived in environment with people spread out. Trust would be a bigger requirement for survival. Blondes would have to be more sociable to survive."

    It is possible, but at least seems a bit counter-intuitive that people X being more sociable than people Y because people X lived in an environment with less people.

    I am not much sure if what we call "East Asians" evolved in a cold climate - after all, Seoul, on of the northerner points of "East Asian population zone", is to the south of Lisbon-Portugal.

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  21. It is possible, but at least seems a bit counter-intuitive that people X being more sociable than people Y because people X lived in an environment with less people.

    I don't really agree with Blondest's theories (and described traits), but I think the nub is that groups that are spread out, but are at just high enough density to also have to encounter strangers, and possibly join with the strangers' groups, will tend to have a bit more in the way of social skills and openness.

    In very high density environments, most people might be familiar, because they mobility (of people, not genes) is lower at high density and there's no opportunity for prolonged separation from nearby groups. While in a very low density environment, there is no chance of meeting strangers.

    So both of these will favor less skills at dealing with new and unfamiliar people (which most people would regard as the most difficult part of social skills, while dealing well with familiar people is more easy).

    I am not much sure if what we call "East Asians" evolved in a cold climate - after all, Seoul, on of the northerner points of "East Asian population zone", is to the south of Lisbon-Portugal.

    Looking at mean temperature range, yes, China has a slightly higher mean temperature than Turkey.

    East Asia versus Europe is more cold winters and hot summers at comparable mean temperature.

    That's something else the East European plain and East Asia share in common - large seasonal variation (continental climates in the European plain and temperate climates with a large temperature variation in Asia).

    There is a strong seasonal pattern, where there are predictable shifts between a hot period (where there's lots of work producing and storing food) and a cool period (where there's lots of work at trying to ration out your food as cleverly as you can to survive).

    So relatively long term seasonal planning (and long term orientation) is very important.

    Whereas Western Europe, particularly the Celtic fringe is more Oceanic and has a tendency towards more even temperatures. So spontaneity and a short term focus is less disfavored.

    The challenges, in even temperature climates, are spotting niches and opportunities which can occur at any time and responding dynamically, not planning, patience and innovation within a fixed schedule (like a 5 Year Plan).

    (Doubt whether this is a possible evolutionary pressure, but I found it an interesting line of thought, at least to explain culturally inherited differences).

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  22. The Blondest7/30/13, 4:22 PM

    Well Miguel, relationships are a costly thing. Forming friendships with new people makes you vulnerable to things like backstabing, scams, personal drama, and sometimes crime. Being social has it's costs. New relationships and relationships in general can cripple you physically and emotionally.

    For example there is a syndrome called Williams Syndrome that makes people overly friendly with a host of other development problems. People with Williams Syndrome are frequent victims of scams and crime. While their low intelligence makes them an easy target, most psychologists attribute most of their social problems due to being overly friendly. Usually they are victimized by someone they thought was a close friend. Parents of Williams Syndrome are disturbed how friendly their kids with the syndrome are toward strangers. They will make a friend with anybody they meet.

    I might add Williams Syndrome is largely found in people of Northern European ancestry. They think stories about elves have there origins from people with Williams Syndrome. Williams Syndrome people have very elf like features.

    My hypothesis is that East Asians live in an environment with more social oppertunity than Northern Europeans do, and simply have less need to make new relationships due to costs associated with them. Being sociable is not always an advantage. If you live in environment where you have more oppertunity to be social, than you have less need to be. Other people are hell as the saying goes, why live in hell when you do not have to.

    Might add this is true from my experiences with relatives who live in rural areas versus relatives that live in urban and suburban areas. The rural relatives tend to be nicer and more open. The urban and suburban relatives to be more cocoonish and rude.

    Also on climate and East Asians. All of Japan and most of Korea are in continental climate zone. Most of the Nordic countries are in a continental climate zone too. Meaning they get regular snowfall and have cold winters.

    Much of China and the Southern Coast of Korea is in an unique Humid Subtropical Zone. They have hot summers, but they also have very cold winters too. Because of an anticyclone that forms in Siberia, a lot of Southeast China and Korea's southern coast experiences harsh cold snapps in the winter. Meaning the Southeastern China and the Korea's southern coast get hot summers and cold winters.

    Meanwhile Spain and Portugal are in a Mediterranean Climate Zone. They have warm winters and warm summers. Spain and Portugal winters are usually warmer than Southeast China due to the lack of anticyclone and other environmental factors that would cool them down in the winter. Southeast China would be a hotter place to live in without the Siberian Anticyclone.

    East Asians live in climates with cold winters. Longitude and latitude are not the only factors in predicting climate.

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  23. North Germany was conservative, South NS.

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