February 21, 2023

Dance music is a back East phenomenon in America, unlike most other cultural domains

Let's take a break from looking at how the Western frontier has defined our distinctly American culture, as separate from the Old World nations we came from, and have a look at another exception from back East.

A recent post looked at the naturalistic trend in American narrative or dramatic culture, drawing inspiration from both Russia and Scandinavia -- together with America, the group of outsiders to the Western Euro club of Early Modern empires that defined high culture.

In a series of comments beginning here, I pointed to one exception -- pro wrestling -- that is very much a back East phenomenon. In that way, it's like ballet, opera, and musical theater, which have always been centered back East. But pro wrestling was not inherited from the Old World, unlike those other formats. And sure enough, pro wrestling has a choreographed, theatrical, not naturalistic style. It could never have emerged from Los Angeles, the center of American naturalistic narrative culture -- movies.

Now let's have a look at popular dance music, and the popular dance culture generally. Although every culture has popular, as opposed to artistic, dances, ours is distinctly American -- and yet, not defined by the Western frontier. It is distinct in its drawing on African sources, particularly the heavy use of syncopation and complex rhythms.

These sources were not directly from Africa, as though African groups toured America or Americans visited Africa. They came through African slaves in the New World -- whether living in America proper or the colonies that we later won, like Puerto Rico and Cuba, and the people from there who migrated to America proper.

So it doesn't sound exactly like the European folk or art dance music traditions from the Old World. But it is highly theatrical, choreographed, and not contributing to a grand narrative about who we are as a people -- other than that we, unlike Europeans, live with the descendants of African slaves and have access to some of their source culture. Therefore, it is best suited to the East, like pro wrestling.

That's not to say that there are no major dance bands or showcases out West, but they are mostly jumping on trends that originated back East.

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Empire-defining culture has to wait until after the first of three long-term stages that empires go through, from expansion to consolidation to fragmentation. Between the first and second stage, there is a major civil war between two organized -- *not* anarchic -- factions for control over the *unified* future territory. Crucially, not a "civil war" where everything is breaking down and anarchic, where the winner does not incorporate the loser, and where the territory remains broken into pieces forever after.

Before this point between stages 1 and 2, the empire has not settled on a shared collective identity, and ethnogenesis is still somewhat up in the air. After one side of that civil war wins, and incorporates the losing side, plus anything to come in the future, only then is there a sense of a single united culture spanning the entire empire.

The first stage is the reaction to external pressures, namely along the meta-ethnic frontier with a highly different Other. But there is still an indefinite, up-in-the-air question of "which we are we" or "who among us counts most as we"? Just because a bunch of people on one side of the meta-ethnic frontier share an interest against those on the other side, doesn't mean there still isn't diversity and conflicts of interest within the one side. That culminates in a civil war, where the pressures are internal. The winning side of that war determines what the unified and consolidated "we" will be like into the future.

To take the familiar example of the Roman Empire, the first stage corresponds to the Republic (although it was very much an empire, expanding territorially through conquest), the second to the Augustan through the Severan eras, and the third to the Crisis of the Third Century and after. The three canonical Roman poets -- Virgil, Horace, and Ovid -- are from the Augustan era, and the Silver Age that follows them lasts into the 2nd C. AD, before Roman literature bit the dust during the 3rd C., along with imperial disintegration.

And really, it had already died during the pre-fragmentation crisis represented by the Severan era (coming out of the Year of the Five Emperors). The last major Roman work was the Golden Ass by Apuleius, probably during the reign of Marcus Aurelius (author of the Meditations), circa the 160s or '70s. I highlight this because we are currently in the Year of the Five Emperors, and it's plain to see that American cultural production has more or less stopped. It was clearly over for the Roman empire and its culture by the 190s -- they just hadn't descended into all-out endless anarchy just yet. And it is clearly over for America as of 2020, even if we aren't splitting up formally just yet.

The main point is that the Golden and Silver Ages were not produced by the Republic stage, because the empire had not yet defined itself through internal conflict -- only external, based on the meta-ethnic frontier against the Celtic and later Carthaginian invaders. Only after the Crisis of the Roman Republic was there an internally defined "us vs. them", and the winning side would set the tone for "us" going forward. And so, without wasting any time, the Roman national / imperial founding myth of the Aeneid was written after the civil war had yielded a winner, who was to be glorified and legitimized through a new sacred narrative.

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Distinctly American music, high or low, begins in the 1890s, as with American architecture, and slightly later than that for American drama (stage or movies). This followed the Civil War and Reconstruction eras -- that turning point between stages 1 and 2 of the imperial lifespan. Before then, we had been expanding primarily against the Indian frontier. The nature of future westward expansion was still up in the air, whether its economy would be based on slave agriculture or not, and this finally brought the internal conflict among "us non-Indians" to a head in the 1860s and '70s. The anti-slave agriculture side won, and it defined American identity through the consolidation stage of imperial life.

American dance music and the dances themselves, defined by heavy syncopation, were born with ragtime music in the 1890s. It did begin in Missouri, in the Midwest, but it migrated eastward rather than westward, and became established in the East Coast. New Orleans, also right near the Mississippi River border, gave birth to jazz, which also moved eastward rather than westward. Jazz came to define uniquely American music, especially in its dance-oriented function. It remains an East Coast genre to this day.

From the early Jazz Age forms and the Charleston dance of the 1920s, it evolved into Big Band music and swing dances during the '30s and '40s, lasting into the '50s, including the early stages of rock 'n' roll when rock music didn't have its own style of dance (it never would, evolving in a different direction from jazz, and migrating westward in typical American fashion).

The big dance crazes of the '60s were from back East, too, epitomized by the twist, introduced by Philly musician Chubby Checker.

Dick Clark's American Bandstand TV show, which showed young people dancing to contemporary hit songs and broadcast to a national audience, was filmed in Philly as well. It aired from the late '50s through the late '80s, setting the standard that all Americans looked up to for "what today's dances look like". Later dance shows like Dancin' on Air / Dance Party USA (for the USA Network) were filmed there, too. All-American audiences tuned into Club MTV and then The Grind between '87 and '97, both filmed in New York City. The only similar shows filmed out West were Soul Train, but that was aimed at a black audience, not Americans as a whole, and Solid Gold, which was the also-ran of the genre (both were filmed in L.A.).

After the dance crazes of the '60s, the East Coast continued to define dance music with disco in the '70s, post-disco or electrofunk in the early '80s, and freestyle / hi-NRG in the late '80s, all of which were made from New York to Miami. We still know the names of certain crucial clubs like Studio 54, Danceteria, and the Palladium (all in New York). And far from being a narrow niche for blacks and Puerto Ricans, it was mainstreamed to all of America by the likes of Madonna (from "Holiday" through "Into the Groove") and Debbie Gibson ("Shake Your Love"), both based in New York.

House music and '90s techno in general was still centered in New York (like C+C Music Factory, Robin S., etc.). As the house / techno style of the '90s and early 2000s gave way to electropop in the late 2000s and 2010s, the center remained in New York, primarily Lady Gaga, but also Nicki Minaj, Cardi B, and Bebe Rexha (fellow Albanian-origin dance diva Ava Max was raised in Virginia, and worked with Canadian mega-producer Cirkut, who's from Nova Scotia and Ontario, not British Columbia). By the late 2000s and 2010s, though, much more of our dance music was imported from Europe.

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A final note on some ethnic angles.

The '80s saw the emergence of "Latin" dance, starting with Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine, the Miami-based DJ remix of "Macarena" (originally flamenco-meets-pop from Spain), then Pitbull as well as reggaeton during the 2000s and 2010s. Puerto Ricans from New York took part as well, such as Ricky Martin, Jennifer Lopez, and Marc Anthony in the '90s and after. I put "Latin" in quotes because it has to be Caribbean, linked to the influence of African sources, rather than Mexican or other Central American, let alone South American, Latin styles. Maybe something like samba from Brazil, as part of the Brazil craze of the 2000s. But not the seemingly obvious choice of Mexican music, given its importance to influencing Western American culture.

The danceable strains of rap have always been centered back East as well, from the Sugarhill Gang, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Young MC, Salt-N-Pepa, and many others from the New York metro area in the late '70s and '80s, where breakdancing originated. Then it was Will Smith from Philly during the '80s and '90s, Vanilla Ice from southern Florida in the '90s, and the entire genre of crunk music and twerk dancing from Atlanta and the Southeast during the 2000s and 2010s.

There wasn't quite as much danceable rap in the '90s because that was the heyday of West Coast rap, which was more in the vein of American naturalism -- narrative, depicting daily life, more sober and restrained than the more theatrical and choreo-friendly East Coast rap styles. Naturalism crossed from music and into drama with Ice Cube appearing as a main character in the movie Boyz n the Hood. The only big dance-driven rapper from the West Coast was MC Hammer (from Oakland, CA). Even one-hit wonders from back East still scored major dance hits, like Atlanta's Tag Team -- "Whoomp! (There It Is)" -- and Jacksonville FL's Quad City DJs -- "C'Mon N' Ride It (The Train)".

This is crucial to show that it isn't about African DNA, but historically contingent facts like the eastern founding vs. westward expansion of the American empire. If it were about genes, we would've gotten one danceclub banger after another by Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, 2Pac, Nate Dogg, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Kendrick Lamar, etc., rather than naturalistic narratives about daily life. Really the only party anthem rump shaker from that entire scene was "California Love". Likewise, LMFAO was an L.A. exception during the 2010s.

Then there's the mostly white dance genre of industrial music, which is centered in the Great Lakes region, mainly among Ellis Islanders rather than founding stock Americans. The two biggest acts here are Chicago's Ministry, and Cleveland's Nine Inch Nails, both of whose early work is very danceclub oriented. This is east of the Mississippi, despite being the Midwest (and Old Northwest). But it is still a bit too far west to be central to dance music and club culture, like New York and Miami are.

13 comments:

  1. Country and western dancing is also heavily east coast in origin, including line dancing. Like west coast swing it was eastern styles moving west and changing some in the process vs some new dance trends originating in the west.

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  2. West coast jazz in the 1940s is less danceable than the swing and bebop that dominated in the east during the same period.

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  3. Timbaland is central to the rise of electropop, and he was raised in coastal Virginia, where he DJ'd then moved to New York for his music career. I didn't name-check everyone, but he's worth mentioning since he wasn't strictly rap, but carrying on the East Coast tradition of all-American dance music, regardless of the ethnicity of the creators or audience.

    Prince was about as far out West as dance music got (Minneapolis / St. Paul). Perhaps part of the industrial / minimalist impulse of white dance music groups in the Great Lakes (Ministry, Nine Inch Nails).

    Also corrected Tag Team's origin -- Atlanta, not DC (one of the guys has "DC" as part of his stage name). Still East Coast, a song about partying, etc., unlike West Coast rap focused on African-American ethnogenesis / what it means to be black in America, etc.

    Blacks may have played little role in settling the Western frontier, fighting the Indians, and so on -- but once they landed out West during the Great Migration, they took part in the cultural styles of their adopted region. Naturalistic rather than theatrical or choreographical, narratives about what makes us who we are, portraying daily life of particular communities (however gritty) that stood for a broader collective identity, and so on.

    This is also why white rock critics like '90s West Coast rap (and later examples like Kendrick Lamar), and universally pan black music from back East -- the former is not dance-oriented, and music critics are famously tone-deaf and have two left feet. It also has the slice of life / who we are / cementing a larger community together narratively, naturalistically, that is the standard for rock music. To rock critics, West Coast gangsta rap was just the Beach Boys, but from the ghetto.

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  4. As for Country / Western line dancing, I didn't include that since it's not an all-American style of music or dancing. Not as in, it was a temporary style that didn't last, but was appealing to all of America (like disco proper). It just never caught on with a broad swath of America and evolved into a tradition.

    It did make it out to the West Coast with barn dances and square dances, but died there. Same back East -- there's no more country dance scene in the Southeast, after the brief fad of the early '90s ("Boot Scootin' Boogie" and "Achy Breaky Heart"). Then there was the one-off country dance hit of the twerkin' 2000s -- "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk", clearly borrowing at least the sentiment and a choice phrase, if not the musical style, of the Dirty South rap scene of the same time.

    Square dances are more of a European / Old World inheritance, which is probably what doomed them to failure long-term in the New World.

    Possibly related to the white Southerners being the losers of the Civil War, but Country Western line dancing is more of a phenomenon in Texas, which is Southwestern, not the Deep South. Yeah, they were on the losing side of the Civil War, but they're frontiersmen fighting Indians and Mexicans, not a decadent Southern landed gentry. It seems like the similarity to Old World styles is what kept it from becoming a staple music/dance format in America.

    Their cousin styles in Mexico held on for awhile as well, but they never migrated and syncretized into American culture -- unlike Mexican food or clothing. Mexican dances are too Old World inspired, not enough of an African rhythmic influence to catch on in America.

    Why did they last longer in Mexico? Because after their independence, they never became an empire in their own right. They're similar to Canada in that way. Only America developed intense ethnogenesis, along a meta-ethnic frontier of expansion, that made them forge a wholly new collective identity -- requiring new dance music and dance moves. So the Old World inheritance has endured more unaltered there, except for the influence of America on them (just like with Canada).

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  5. A few notable out West exceptions during the peak of dance culture in America (1975-'89).

    From the disco era, the Hues Corporation ("Rock the Boat") was from SoCal.

    From the electro-funk or post-disco era, the Brothers Johnson ("Stomp") were from L.A. The Gap Band ("Oops Up Side Your Head") were from Tulsa OK, and they even included cowboy hats as part of their stage act.

    From the freestyle / hi-NRG era, Stacey Q ("Two of Hearts") was from SoCal.

    I thought Sister Sledge might've been from out West, since they mention "on the outskirts of 'Frisco" in "He's the Greatest Dancer" -- but no, they're from Philly. And maybe the Village People had Western roots, with the cowboys and Indians costumes -- but as their name hints, they're from Greenwich Village NY.

    Freestyle group Expose is a great test case, because the lead singer on their most popular songs, Jeanette Jurado, is of Mexican descent -- not Caribbean -- and was born and raised in SoCal. However, she had to move way back East to Miami in order to make it in the dance music scene, and she had to work with Caribbean, not Mexican, musical influences.

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  6. It's no accident that the rhythmic wonder of vtubers, Gura, is from the East Coast. The others who were raised in North America (including two who now live in Japan) are from the Midwest and further west. She's also the one most into jazz, and who used rap rhythms quite a bit during her earlier musical / memelord persona Senzawa.

    Her genmate, Calli (originally from Texas), works in rap, but it's a more West Coast-influenced strand, with naturalistic narratives about people's everyday lives and troubles, commentary, and so on. Whereas Gura / Senzawa is more about hyping the crowd up for a body-moving banger, whose lyrics are more to provoke and get you whipped up rather than be naturalistic or commentary.

    And of course Gooba is responsible for popularizing / reviving Japanese city pop over the past few years, and the American influences it takes are all dance-oriented and from back East (disco, funk, boogie, jazz, etc.).

    In another generation, she would've been part of a Latin freestyle girl group, splitting her time between the Miami club scene and Disney World. As a Zoomer, she's incarnated in the virtual space as a sharky chanteuse and rhythm game goddess. ^_^

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  7. Arthur Murray and his dance studios started along the East Coast as well. They're the biggest amateur dance class franchise in the country, akin to Starbucks, McDonalds, etc. And they specialize in more American forms of music & dance (like swing), not an Old World ballet academy.

    Paula Abdul is an interesting case, performing tons of dance hits and doing her own choreography since she was a dancer and cheerleader before becoming a singer. She's from California, but all her songwriters and record producers are from the Great Lakes region (at least the ones on her biggest album, her debut Forever Your Girl). And they are a bit more sparse and minimalist than East Coast dance songs, which is enough to establish a pattern for Great Lakes minimalist dance (Prince, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Paula Abdul).

    Another interesting exception from the freestyle / hi-NRG era -- Nu Shooz ("I Can't Wait" and "Point of No Return", not to be confused with the Expose song of the same name). They're from Portland, OR. Last place in the world you'd expect a dance group to hail from, and yet they scored not one but two dance club classics. Popular enough to be featured on Club MTV in 1987.

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  8. Speaking of which, someone's uploaded clips and entire episodes of Club MTV and The Grind to YouTube. Just search either show title and a song of interest, or just the show title and browse their catalog. Some are pretty low quality, so you can filter it to HD only results, and it's pretty good for something someone taped onto a VHS tape 30 years ago.

    The problem with this, for getting the post-X-er generations to appreciate it, is that the quality was obviously superior on the original broadcast. You weren't watching a crappy VHS tape recording, which then got crudely digitized for uploading to the internet. TV broadcasts, on a remotely decent TV set, looked crisp and alive.

    Lot going on in this (sadly not HD) clip, set to "Good Vibrations" by Marky Mark & the Funky Bunch, from 1991, although representative of the show in general:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKfgjsJT_Xs

    Mostly white people -- duh, it was an overwhelmingly white country back then. But if you read woketarded critics (most of the history sections in Wikipedia articles), you'd be led to expect only blacks and Puerto Ricans to be present, especially given it's in the NYC metro area.

    And you'd expect only gays. There's sometimes a gay couple here or there, but obviously these songs did not dominate the national airwaves, charts, and sales by having a predominantly gay audience -- they were national hits, not a niche of gay clubs in a handful of cities.

    Dance-haters have agreed with these backwards portrayal of the woketards, because their two-left-feet-having asses require dance music and dance clubs to be something only for fags and the dregs of society, low-status, to be mocked rather than wishing they could participate in them.

    In reality everyone around the country knew this song, was hyped for it, danced to it in their home, yes including white people, yes including guys, yes including normal guys -- even with their friends, no homo. I remember my best friend and I goofing around trying to dance like we were cool (like the running man), maybe cuz his dreamy babysitter was present and we had to get comfortable doing mating dances in front of the female sex. And it was all to these songs -- "Good Vibrations," "Ice Ice Baby," and so on.

    And of course the dance club, dancing, and dance music was *more* likely to get you in bed with a girl. Woketards and bodily awkward right-wingers both require a guy and a girl dry-humping each other on the dance floor, possibly riding each other in bed later that night, to be framed as gay -- not figuratively, as in "lame", but literally as in "only male homosexuals would go there and dance to that stuff".

    Yep, nothing gayer than a girl grinding her body against you rhythmically, with or without clothes on...

    And although guys were always present on the performing side, this specific early-mid '90s period had over-the-top macho attitude -- Marky Mark, Vanilla Ice, House of Pain, and zillions of others. It was badass, reinforced by the music videos where Marky Mark is punching a punching bag, there's a near mosh pit for "Jump Around", etc. That even carried over into the rap metal phenomenon of the late '90s and y2k, which did have plenty of female dance participation as well.

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  9. The difference I notice most from those old dance clips and even the time I was a club regular (circa 2010), is how smiley everyone was -- well, it was still rising-crime or just peaking in the crime rate, and still fairly outgoing in the social mood. After 20 years of cocooning, people in dance clubs were nowhere near as smiley -- let alone what they'd look like by now, when no one goes to clubs or other dance spots.

    Breakdancing was still going into the '90s, and never really died out. I remember there being a separate breakdancing room in one of the clubs I was a regular at in the late 2000s. It's a national standard by this point, unlike e.g. square dancing, which died out over time.

    Some girls do look hot with short hair, even if they might look better with it long. It may subtract a bit on looks per se, but it makes up for it with spunk or attitude or other signals that she's a fun-loving exciting girl. (No, chopping off your hair won't do that in itself, just that the girls who did that tended to pull it off pretty well.) The first half of the '90s was the last time that boyishly short hair on girls was at all common, so Millennials and Zoomers probably don't remember the effect it had -- but it could be very hot.

    Half the girls are wearing a glorified or literal bra in the dance club. Tank tops and spaghetti strap tops may have been popular into the 2000s and 2010s, in dance clubs, but not while also baring the entire midriff and being skintight. There's a vogue for armpits these days -- the late '80s and early '90s would've been heaven for them.

    Outside the club, these girls would've been wearing something baggy on top, to ward off would-be predators in a rising-crime environment. But once they got into the club, it was time to check that coat or jacket, and strip down to half-naked. It helps cool you off, having that much ventillation and uncovered skin. You smell worse when your skin can't breathe.

    The shorts, pants, and jeans are also way tighter than would've been the norm in a usual setting. You didn't wear your everyday semi-baggy or pleated pants to the club -- you wore something more appropriate for a club, like spandex shorts, a leotard, tight jeans, etc.

    Which makes me notice how juicy the girls' asses are in those clips -- and this is from a climate where most girls were not bootylicious at all, and if they were, they tried to hide it. Back then boobs were the big thing, so to speak. And most of these girls are a B-cup at most -- and aren't afraid to show that, by wearing only their glorified bra (without tons of padding, underwire support, etc.).

    This must be because dancers are butt people, like any kind of athletic or corporeal role. Most girls back then would not have had buns like them, but the, er, handful who did, made it onto Club MTV and into dance clubs elsewhere.

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  10. Also, Camille from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was one of the in-house dancers for Club MTV. There are clips of just her, if you search for her name and the show title.

    She's a bit more buxom than the rest of the crowd, but then she would be as an Italian (nee Donatacci). I didn't notice that in the clips, only checked now after having said how little cleavage there is in the crowd overall.

    This is what the "hot blonde" of the time looked like -- not the ditzy bimbo type so much, but more of a cool chick, someone who could star in a rock music video. That type (specifically a blonde) lasted into at least the video for "Cryin' " by Aerosmith in '93, although Alicia Silverstone was then re-cast into the ditzy type a few years later in Clueless.

    She'll always be the seductress from The Crush for me, though. I still wonder how formative that movie was to my 13 year-old brain...

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  11. Slow dancing never made it on Club MTV or The Grind, by the looks of it. It was common as late as '86 or '87, judging from Dancin' on Air:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1MIBRIKlq0

    This goes with my claim that cocooning began around 1989, judging from all sorts of outgoing activities peaking in '88 (video game arcade revenues, going bike-riding, Parents Magazine *not* having a helicopter parenting tone, etc.). Not that slow dancing or cocooning took place 100% overnight, but it's still striking to see hardly any or no slow dancing on a dance-oriented show, where guys and girls are interacting with each other.

    As a reminder, the social mood changes first, then the crime rate. Outgoing mood peaked in '88, then the crime rate peaked several years later in '92. First people began putting up their guard in public spaces, and that soon caused crime rates to fall, as would-be predators were deprived of targets who had their guard down.

    I still remember my first middle school dance in the fall of '92, and there was hardly any slow dancing. Not just cuz we were awkward 6th graders -- we were fine dancing to other music, and occasionally joining in the "freak line" or "freak dancing". That's where a boy and girl face each other close, then boys and girls alternately get behind the original couple, in both directions, putting their hands on the hips of the person in front of them. Somewhere between a stationary conga line and twerking.

    In all my years of nightclub dancing during the 2000s and 2010s, I've never seen a slow dance take over the crowd. The DJs never call for it, and the people on the floor never go into it spontaneously when a slow song comes on.

    You have to be willing to really let your guard down and connect with another person to slow dance, and cocooning means that's a no-go. These days, your pet is more willing to slow dance with you than the people in a club or party. Dry-humping, maybe, since you can distance yourself *emotionally* from the other, just like a stripper or a hooker with her client. But slow dancing? Way too intimate. Similar to the (apochryphal?) hooker rule about not kissing on the mouth.

    There's that famous scene in Taxi Driver where he's watching American Bandstand at home, while couples slow dance (to "Late for the Sky" by Jackson Browne), and he starts going crazy and pushes the TV set over with his boot, causing it to fry.

    These days that kind of loneliness -- not being able to take part in what the others are taking part in -- is not even possible. It'd be a Ryan Gosling account watching 30 year-old episodes of Dance Party USA on YouTube. Loneliness over what used to be common, and he assumes he would've been taking part in (whether he would have, or would've been the Travis Bickle type).

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  12. House and Techno both have origins in the midwest (Chicago and Detroit, respectively).

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  13. I don't judge something as a phenomenon until it shows up on the radar, not obscure unsensed incubated "origins". Chicago House and Detroit Techno is basically invisible in the '80s. To the extent that it shows up early, it's via Euro groups like Technotronic, M/A/R/R/S, Neneh Cherry, etc.

    A couple years later when it blows up in America, it's in New York and Miami (C+C Music Factory, Marky Marky & the Funky Bunch, Robin S., and the Miami Bass scene).

    It's not that Chicago House and Detroit Techno were huge regional scenes, that had not yet gone national. They were pretty underground even in their "original" locations. They only became pop cultural phenomena via influences or outright sampling by New York and Miami groups.

    Having said that, Chicago and Detroit are back-East enough (east of the Mississippi River) compared to the West Coast. And the movement was eastward, not westward (the usual direction of cultural evolution in America, following the frontier -- eastward is retreating from the frontier).

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