December 26, 2024

The Indo-European-ness of Ashkenazi Hanukkah, Rosh Hashanah, etc.

I'll get to Christmas and New Year's posting later. For now, to get a new post started, I'll begin with a narrower topic.

Earlier posts this year have reviewed the work of others, and uncovered tons of signs from my own investigations, pointing to Ashkenazi Jews being converts to Talmudic Judaism during the 2nd half of the 1st millennium AD, and coming from mixed Indo-European sources -- one East Slavic, the other East Anatolian / Armenian / Iranian -- that eventually genetically merged into a single-mode genepool, after forming a loose cultural coalition based around controlling trade routes in and around the Khazar Khaganate.

So for the Christmas season, I naturally wondered, "How much of Hanukkah came from Christmas, Nowruz, or even earlier Indo-European holidays of this time of the year?"

Before getting to the main topic of Christmas, my investigation led me to stumble upon another highly distinctive Indo-Euro tradition that Ashkenazi Jews practice, but for Rosh Hashanah -- New Year's. They bake a loaf of challah bread for the occasion, but this isn't any ordinary loaf for any ordinary occasion -- the new year is all about bringing good luck, improving over the bygone year. So for Rosh Hashanah, they bake a key -- yes, a literal metal key -- into the loaf. This is meant to be a magic charm that will bring good luck in the new year.

Recall an earlier post that surveyed this very same ritual from Ireland to Iran, including a good luck charm in the dessert for the New Year's holiday. In some of those cultures, it is tied to Christmas, like the "king cake" from Spain and France (and places influenced by them, like New Orleans in America). They bake a figurine into a cake, and whoever gets the piece with the good luck charm will have good luck in the new year!

Well, the Ashkenazi "shlissel challah" (after the Yiddish word for "key" and the Hebraized word for "loaf of bread") is not fully identical to the Indo-Euro tradition, since there's no practice of dividing up the loaf and whoever gets the portion with the metal key has good luck. Apparently, the good luck belongs to the baker of the loaf, regardless of who finds it when eating the loaf. Also, the food item is not specifically dessert.

And yet, it's impossible to ignore the striking similarities. The "baking a key into a loaf of bread" seems to go back several centuries, although perhaps not much further. I think there must be an earlier form that this ritual took, where it was a sweet baked good and not just a typical loaf of bread, and where the good luck only belonged to the individual lucky enough to get that portion of the dessert that contained the charm -- not the preparer of the food.

But somewhere along the way, this ritual was lost, and a diluted form remained in the newer shlissel challah tradition. Needless to say, Jews from the Saharo-Arabian sphere, such as Moroccan Jews, do not practice this tradition -- it's a distinctly Indo-Euro thing. And the fact that Ashkenazi shlissel challah is 90% identical to Irish Christmas pudding and Iranian samanu for Nowruz, is a powerful testament to the Indo-European-ness, rather than Saharo-Arabian-ness, of their culture.

Moving on now to Hanukkah, two of the major features of contemporary Ashkenazi Hanukkah -- gelt and the dreidel -- are fairly recent, going back maybe a few centuries in Europe, so it's hard to infer anything about Ashkenazi roots from them. Maybe they just picked it up from their European hosts, like they did with the dreidel (teetotum). Maybe they invented it themselves, but long after Ashkenazi ethnogenesis had taken mature form (like the gelt).

However, the most prominent symbol and practice -- lighting the menorah -- is more revealing, since it goes back further.

Here is a good review of the earliest Hanukkah menorahs, whether surviving examples of them, visual depictions of them in old sources, or written accounts.

The earliest accounts of them date to circa 1000 AD in Europe, followed centuries later by illustrated depictions and surviving examples. They do not trace back to Classical times, or Bronze Age times, or anything related to Second Temple Judaism and its account of the past. They're absent for most of the Dark Ages, for that matter.

That is just after the collapse of the Khazar Khaganate, though, when the Jewish converts who controlled the trade routes would have had to migrate further westward into Europe to earn a new living. 14th-century Jewish cemeteries, like the one in Erfurt, Germany, show that they had developed a culture of their own, having their own section of a cemetery, although their genepool was still bi-modal at that point.

But sometime between the fall of the Khazar Khaganate and these 14th-C. cemeteries in Germany, Ashkenazi ethnogenesis had taken off.

The lack of menorahs during most of the Dark Ages shows that, yet again, there is no evidence showing a cultural continuity from Second Temple-period Judaeans and the Ashkenazi Jews. Most notably, the Ashkenazis have never been documented as speaking a Semitic language (until some of them began LARP-ing as neo-Judaeans, moving to Palestine and reviving Hebrew), or any other member from the Saharo-Arabian family broadly. Only Indo-European ones, like Yiddish.

Moreover, the menorahs from the earliest depictions do not resemble the Temple menorah from the Classical period, which had 7 branches, with 1 in the center, and 3 pairs of symmetrical branches leading out from the center. This verbal description and visual depiction is widely attested in Classical times themselves, e.g. in the Arch of Titus from roughly 80 AD that shows the Roman removal of the Temple menorah after destroying the Temple 10 years earlier.

Re-shaping the Hanukkah menorah to take this form, but with 4 pairs of branches plus a central branch, is pretty recent, perhaps from the 19th C or so, and maybe connected to or pre-figuring the Romantic nationalist movement of Zionism.

At any rate, the early Hanukkah menorahs don't resemble the Temple menorah whatsoever. They don't have a single branch and pairs of symmetrical branches. And the structure is not a pedestal or base, with the light-bearing elements being held aloft by the branching section. Rather, the light-bearing elements were all resting flat on a single horizontal surface, like a shelf or fireplace mantle, with no branching or supporting elements underneath the shelf.

More tellingly, the earliest depictions show candles as the light-bearing element -- a practice that continues to this day, even after the change in the shape of the main supporting structure, from a shelf to a Temple-esque design.

The original Temple menorah did not use candles at all -- the end of each branch held a cup for oil, in which a wick was dipped. Even further back, in the narrative that motivates the holiday of Hanukkah, there is a miracle of oil -- which continued to burn for 8 days and nights, when supposedly there was only enough oil to burn for one. It's not a miracle of a candle that continued to burn longer than it should have -- there's no mention of candles, only oil lamps.

Throughout the Medieval period in the Saharo-Arabian sphere, including our Western contempo depiction of it, oil lamps were the defining way of portable artificial lighting.

In fact, to this day, Moroccan Jews -- who *do* come from the Saharo-Arabian sphere, and *are* documented as speaking a Semitic language historically -- use an oil lamp form of a menorah for Hanukkah, unlike the candle-based form that the Ashkenazis use.

Did anyone in the Middle East adopt candles as much as the Europeans did? Yes -- the Persians! And the Indian groups further to their east. Candles are not so ancient, but they're ancient enough -- going back to the Romans. And yet, their spread seems to have been confined to the Indo-European sphere, with Greeks and Persians and Indians adopting them, but not so much the Arabians or North Africans.

See the article on candles from the Encyclopedia Iranica for the full history of candles in Iranian culture, but the fact that it has its own entry testifies to how central they are to Iranian culture.

And -- wait, what's this? -- Iranians light candles to place on the main table during Nowruz, along with the Half-Seen items. And like the early Ashkenazi menorahs, they are not held on a branching symmetrical candelabra, just on top of the table top. Nowruz and Christmas overlap a lot due to them being "end of the year" holidays, although over the centuries, Iranian New Year's has stayed in the arrival of springtime (when the Proto-Indo-European New Year's holiday was likely held), while the Indo-Euros who adopted Christianity moved it back toward the new central holiday of Christmas, nearly at the end of their calendar year.

Candles have been central to European Christmas traditions for centuries, including placing them on the Christmas tree in the Modern era, until there were electric lights. Or the Lutheran practice of Advent candles, which are similar to the Hanukkah menorah in keeping track of the time during the late December holiday. Candlemas, in early February, is the end of Christmas / Epiphany season, transitioning into the New Year.

Candles on a Hanukkah menorah places the Ashkenazi holiday within the Indo-Euro, rather than Saharo-Arabian, traditions. But maybe it's just the Ashkenazi adopting or assimilating to practices of their Euro hosts? How do we know it goes back further and may originate outside of Europe?

Back to those Nowruz candles! Some practitioners of Nowruz include one candle for every child in the household, making the number of candles variable -- a multiple of the number of children in the home.

Wouldn't you know it? -- the Ashkenazis also tend to increase the number of candles, as a multiple of the number of children in the home! They give everyone their own individual menorah, each of which has 9 candles.

So it's not exactly the same as Nowruz, where each child only gets one candle. But the Ashkenazi child getting 9 candles is due to the invariable nature of 9 in the Hanukkah holiday -- it celebrates the 8 nights of the miracle of the oil, plus the 1 candle to help light the others. Each child must get 9 candles, not just 1, otherwise it wouldn't commemorate the 8 nights.

However, the number of candles does increase as a multiple of the number of children in the home, for both Nowruz and Ashkenazi Hanukkah. I don't know of a similar "certain number of candles per child at home" tradition in other Indo-Euro cultures during Christmas or New Year's. If it exists, it must be fairly marginal, whereas the practice is widespread enough to this day for Nowruz that it's mentioned in reviews of the holiday rituals.

And the good ol' Moroccan Jews seal up the other side of the argument -- they don't have one menorah per child, or anything that varies with the number of children at home. They only use one menorah for the entire household, no matter how many people live there.

So, Ashkenazi Hanukkah rituals more closely resemble Iranian Nowruz than Moroccan Jewish Hanukkah, aside from the indisposable elements like commemorating the number 8, artificial light-bearing things, etc.

Those Late Medieval depictions of menorahs in Europe only show them lighting 8 candles in a place that is probably a synagogue. And in that context, there's no family living there -- so they can't, in principle, vary the number of menorahs with the number of residents. Perhaps as Hanukkah became a popular holiday within the domestic setting, it met an older ritual that involved "increasing the number of lights according to the number of children". And that older ritual came from the Iranian sphere.

This is yet another sign that the source populations for that coalition that would eventually become the Ashkenazi Jews definitely included one in or around Iran.

But more than that -- I think most of their religious and sacred traditions were carried over from that Iranian source, and not from the East Slavic source that also held sway in their coalition.

I've mentioned the divide between Germanic-surnamed Ashkenazis, who seem to have a higher proportion of genetic and/or cultural background in the Iranian source, vs. the Slavic-surnamed Ashkenazis, who have less of it and more of the Slavic source.

The Iranian source seems to have been more cultured, elite, prestigious, sophisticated, with a long history of being administrators, bureaucrats, scientists, artists... and perhaps also priests. Not merely "religious officials," but priests as an elevated specialist elite stratum in society, propped up by the material surplus of a large sedentary agrarian economy.

East Slavs in the Dark Ages simply did not have that kind of economy, nor did the West Slavs for that matter. Only the South Slavs did -- namely, the Bulgarian Empire, who sponsored and spread the Cyrllic Alphabet among the previously illiterate Slavs, adopted and codified Christianity for the Slavs (including the use of Old Bulgarian, AKA "Old Church Slavonic," as the liturgical language, even for other Orthodox Slavs to this day), founded the Orthodox Slav style of churches through their proximity to the Byzantine Empire, and so on and so forth.

East Slavs were semi-nomadic, mainly peasants, no large or powerful central state ever in their history, illiterate, with a folk culture but not much of a high culture, etc. They represented the brusque, pushy, materialistic trader type. That type also exists in a civilized culture like Iran, but there's also the spiritual specialist type, who fill a permanent role of "priest".

So when it came time to come up with rituals for the new converts to Judaism, the Ashkenazis all looked at each other and decided, "Well, you Iranian types seem to know what you're doing with the whole priestly role -- why don't you handle that part of our culture-to-be? As long as we East Slavs don't find anything too fishy about it, we'll just take your civilized word for it."

This ties into the genetic data on Ashkenazi Jews, where there are certain genetic markers for the so-called "priestly bloodline" AKA the kohanim (such as those with the surname Cohen). They are supposedly descended from the temple priests of the Second Temple era, who, after the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, continued to play some kind of new priestly-ish role in society, just not the same was as tending to the now-destroyed temple. And they supposedly kept that role within their bloodline, only marrying into other priestly families.

Well, the "keeping our bloodlines priestly" I can buy -- but not them tracing back to the Second Temple Judaeans. We know from all the other evidence that they have no genetic or cultural connection to them, not even religiously -- the Ashkenazis are only documented as practicing Judaism from the Talmudic era, not Second Temple Judaism.

However, if the kohanim within the Ashkenazis were more likely to come from the Iranian rather than the Slavic sub-population of their founders, then they'll at least pass as "Middle Eastern", which is always a weasel-word in genetic studies. Middle Eastern meaning an Indo-European-speaking "fire worshiper"? -- or a Semitic-speaking monotheist? Very different cultures!

And who knows? Maybe there was one actual Judaean priest who wandered into Persia in order to help train the new converts, and he left some of his kohanim bloodline there, where it got preserved through priestly caste endogamy. I highly doubt that, but even if true, it only says there was that one ancestor who was Judaean, vs. 99% of Ashkenazi "Middle Eastern" ancestors being Iranian / Armenian / East Anatolian.

That suggests that, like Iranian bureaucrats, Iranian priests are mainly based on their role in society, not on the specific institution it serves. They were priests under Zoroastrianism, then mullahs under Islam, and some of them as kohanim within the Iranian-derived portion of the Ashkenazi Jews.

That makes me wonder about when Christianity used to be a big deal in Persia and further east ("Nestorians"). That was during the Dark Ages, when Zoroastrianism, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism were all vying with each other for influence. There were certainly Iranian Christian priests in those days.

Maybe there's a common priestly genetic sub-population that they all came from, no matter which religion they performed the priestly role within. At that narrower level, I'm sure there are genetic differences -- Zoroastrian priests wouldn't have married into Christian priest families (knowingly), or with Muslim clerics (knowingly), and so on.

Maybe take the Parsis in India as a convenient example of Zoroastrian priests, although DNA from actual Late Classical / Medieval Zoroastrian priests would be ideal. Muslim clerics in Iran are still around, with some families or bloodlines being well known already, I'm sure. And then use Ashkenazi kohanim as the other comparison.

I'll bet, at a certain level, they all came from the same priestly genepool in Iran! Just like Iranian bureaucrats who were famously adept at serving one empire, or another, or another still. It's the specialized role, not the master, that they preserved. Iran is not an anarchic, tribal, nomadic culture of honor like it used to be way back in the Bronze Age, or like many of its neighbors have been (Turkic, Mongol, Arabian). It's one of the most thoroughly and thorough-going civilized cultures on Earth, for better or worse.

Where else would new converts to Judaism recruit their priests from, if Iranians were an option? For the Ashkenazis, it was -- and they did.

203 comments:

  1. "That makes me wonder about when Christianity used to be a big deal in Persia and further east ("Nestorians"). That was during the Dark Ages, when Zoroastrianism, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism were all vying with each other for influence. There were certainly Iranian Christian priests in those days."

    Many have speculated that in a reality where Sassanian Persia was never conquered by the Muslim Arabs in the 7th Century, Nestorian Christianity may have eventually become the dominant religion in the empire, whether from the bottom-up (gradual mass conversion) or the top-down (through the conversion of a particularly enthusiastic emperor).

    https://www.amazon.ca/Great-Arab-Conquests-Hugh-Kennedy/dp/0753823896

    According to this author, at the time when the Islamic Arabs began to invade Sassanid Persia, the capital city of Ctesiphon was mostly Jewish and Nestorian Christian. Zoroastrianism was mostly popular just with the elites.

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  2. The oil lamp vs. wax candle divide actually reminds me of a broader divide between Saharo-Arabian and Indo-European cultures -- vegetable vs. animal fats (and other products).

    S-A cultures are more into vegetable fats, like the olive oil used to light the menorah historically (and still among S-A Jews, like Moroccan Jews). I-E cultures are more into animal fats, and candle wax was historically made from tallow (beef fat) or bees' wax (a fatty substance produced by bees).

    I attribute this to the S-A sphere being the cradle of civilization, where large sedentary agrarian economies first evolved. Agrarian economies have nothing *but* plant substances to make use of, with only a residual amount of animal products from the few pastoralists attempting to graze their livestock on land that the farmers want to use for planting their crops.

    Economies with more pastoralism have more abundant animal products, and incorporate them more into their folk culture. And the I-E sphere was originally pastoralist or at most agro-pastoralist -- not a large sedentary agrarian state. They were semi-nomadic raiders who practiced animal husbandry.

    There are tons of semi or fully nomadic pastoralists in the S-A sphere, like the Bedouin, the desert Arabians, and Saharan nomads. But they do not drive the culture overall, since they are historically preceded by, and eclipsed by, the agrarian states that sprung up in the Cradle of Civilization, and later along the Mediterranean coastline.

    Cultures from the I-E sphere did not grow up in the shadow of large agrarian states -- their homeland is to the north of the Caucasus Mountains, on the Steppe. They were more like the nomads of the Arabian or Saharan deserts, or the Turkic or Mongol nomads from Central Asia. And China has been more like the Cradle of Civilization states, in the Far East -- large, agrarian, sedentary.

    Even after adopting some degree of sedentary agriculture, Indo-Euros have preserved their barbarian origins in all sorts of cultural domains -- and the preference for animal rather than plant products is a broad category of such barbarian tastes. We are closer to the Noble Savage than are the plant-loving decadent civilizations that arose to our south.

    At the first opportunity, we invented a portable light source that relied on animal fat, and later another animal product, rather than stick with the plant-based fuel of our civilized southern neighbors. Bye-bye olive oil lamps, hello candles!

    Much like other forms of degradation in the neoliberal era, candles are now made from plant oils, mainly soy, solely to cut costs, deliver a worse product to the consumer, and boost profit margins to the greedy and mediocre business owners. But historically, candles were anti-vegan, not vegan compatible.

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  3. I've mentioned before the animal fat vs. plant fat desserts as a dividing line between Indo-Euro and Saharo-Arabian cultures.

    S-A cultures prefer almonds or other nuts, and seeds (like sesame), for their dessert fats. For savory fats, they also use fruits (olives) or legumes (chickpeas).

    I-E cultures prefer dairy fat for their dessert fat, whether it's milk, yogurt, cream, butter, ghee, etc. And further animal fats like eggs, which are not as central to S-A cuisine.

    This is true from Ireland to India. And in the Middle East, there's a great comparison in that the "same" dessert actually comes in two different varieties -- halwa / halva, whose main fat is plant-based in the S-A cultures (sesame), but dairy in the I-E cultures (milk, cream, butter, or ghee).

    Turkey provides an even finer-grained view, since they are at the cross-roads of the I-E and S-A spheres, and they in fact have both varieties. But the truly Turkish variety -- the one that is treated with the utmost ritualistic sanctity for special occasions -- is the dairy one.

    They're Anatolian, after all, and spoke Greek and Hittite historically. Even after the Turkic conquests, they spoke a Turkic language, not a Saharo-Arabian language, and the barbarian tastes that they had back in their fully I-E days were compatible with the new Turkic tastes of their conquerors, since both were nomadic raiders who practiced animal husbandry.

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  4. Without reviewing every Ashkenazi vs. Sephardic dessert, I'll simply note the higher prevalence of dairy / animal fat as the main fat among Ashkenazi desserts.

    Rugelach use a dough made with sour cream or cream cheese. Babka uses a very buttery dough. Blintzes use a batter with milk and eggs for the pancake part, and are stuffed with cheese, often served with sour cream on top as well. Cheesecake is ancient Indo-Euro (with the Romans having something like it), and is common as an Ashkenazi dessert.

    Like halva, there's a great comparison in the "same" dessert that has two totally different varieties among Jews -- hamantaschen (the Ashkenazi form) and orejas de haman (the Sephardic form). The Ashkenazi one uses butter in the dough, while the Sephardic one does not (although like the Ashkenazi one, it uses eggs). The fatty content from the Sephardic kind comes from deep-frying it in vegetable oil.

    Sephardic desserts are more similar to other Mediterranean desserts, using nut fats like almond paste instead of dairy. E.g., Italian marzipan and Sephardic masapan.

    Spain and Italy are both Indo-Euro, and despite these nut-based desserts that they absorbed from Saharo-Arabian cultures around the Mediterranean, both countries do have more dairy in their desserts than Saharo-Arabian cultures. E.g., Italy's tiramisu (made with mascarpone cheese) and gelato (ice cream), and Spain's flan (egg and milk custard), mel i mato (using a fresh cheese similar to ricotta), and crema catalana which is the twin of creme brulee from France.

    Very dairy, not-so nutsy.

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  5. Lemme take a break, and I'll come back and talk about fur hats, or animal hides as clothing / accessories in general, separating the Indo-Euro from the Saharo-Arabian spheres.

    If you didn't already know what Hasidic headgear looks like, take a wild guess what material it's made from...

    Ashkenazis are Indo-Euros, yet again!

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  6. Does Japan prefer animal or plant fats?

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  7. Glorious Nippon is an animal fat culture these days. They're one of the beef-eating Asian groups, and those groups tend to practice animal husbandry more than the chicken-eating Asian groups to the south. Pork is consumed by both.

    Japanese people like dairy products a lot, too, compared to other Asians.

    Historically, though, they were closer to being a mix of agrarian -- mainly cultivating rice -- and hunter-gatherer, relying on wild-caught seafood. They didn't use cooking oil of any kind, for the most part -- sometimes eating a raw meal, or steaming it, or fermenting it, or grilling it. But they were not into frying or baking, so adding fat for either purpose was not done.

    Most of the fat in their diet, though, *was* from animals, namely seafood. Not just the oily fish like salmon, sardines, etc., but even the Pacific bluefin tuna (80% of whose consumer market is Japan) has a nice fatty belly.

    As for desserts, traditional Japanese cuisine had very little in the way of sweets. One form didn't have much fat at all -- mochi, in which steamed rice is ground into a paste with other sugary and starchy ingredients. But no fat added. It's sweet, but not rich, due to no fat. Red bean paste is similar -- it has some fat from the beans, but there's not enough fat in a bean to give it a really rich sumptuous mouthfeel.

    But once the Meiji Restoration opened up Japan to foreign influences, they went immediately to animal fats instead of vegetable fats. As they began baking for the first time, they chose dairy fat instead of vegetable oil, and by now dairy products are fairly popular in Japan, relative to other Asian countries.

    They did have early contact with the Portuguese, so it was possible for Japan to receive Mediterranean tastes, like vegetable oil or nut paste or frying sweets instead of baking them. But they've had limited success, other than their mutual love of seafood. Japan was more interested in French, British, American, and even Indian food like curry.

    Still, they rely on vegetable oils in other contexts like frying -- sesame oil, rice oil, etc., rather than tallow or lard or butter (to coat a pan).

    As in so many other domains of their culture, the Japanese have taken an eclectic pick-and-choose approach. Overall, though, I'd say the strongest influence on them has been good ol' American. ^_^

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  8. The other huge change that the Japanese made, to distance themselves from other Asians, is to replace rice with wheat. Japanese people still eat rice regularly, but not nearly as much as before, and they eat a lot more wheat than they used to, whether it's noodles, bread, or a piece of a larger item (like hamburger buns, cheesecake crust, etc.).

    Glorious Nippon is probably the most unfriendly place in Asia for Western striver diets like vegan, gluten-free, and dairy-free.

    Southeast Asia -- which begins at Shanghai -- would suit those diets better.

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  9. The movement that founded itself on valorizing competition, moralizing Darwinian "survival of the fittest," and praising winners while spitting on losers in societal competitions -- now impotently cries and copes as they have become the downwardly mobile losers, whose foreign replacements are, by their own ideology, superior to them in virtue of being the winner in the competition, and who must accept being spit upon for not amping up their hustle stats so they can BE MORE COMPETITIVE.

    For a moment in 2016, it seemed like these wannabe but failed yuppies had realized where all that "greed is good" stuff had gotten them -- not just others in society, but them themselves -- and were now going to promote protection over competition, inferring no moral superiority from someone being a winner in some societal competition, and trying to humble the winners and lift up the losers...

    But these greedy scum just can't shake their neoliberal Reaganite fantasies about being the yuppie skull-crusher stacking totally ill-gotten gains, which they were born too late to enjoy, unlike their Boomer parents. Live by Darwinian fanfic, die by Darwinian fanfic.

    Sorry, but it's not possible to feel sorry for these deluded right-wingers who are no populists after all, just bitter failed yuppies / grinders / strivers / hustlers / etc.

    They blew their chance to team up with others in society to take on the very wealthy and powerful corporations, oligarchs, etc. who are dead-set on replacing them with cheap foreigners. That would require disowning neoliberalism, Reagan and his descendants, and praising the New Deal as a utopia that we should aim for, however short we may fall of re-attaining it.

    Now that it's clear their material standard of living will get worse forever, and so will any kids they have, and their kids, for many generations into the future -- all they have left is coping about how they ratio'd the guy who fired them en masse. Sad, but predictable.

    And another bitter reminder that the right wing in America is the sclerotic dominant party of this era, which began with Reagan. They have no possibility to realign out of this era and into a new one, which will only come from the left.

    Such an anti-woke, populist left is already realigning out of the neoliberal era in Denmark, under their longstanding left party -- they didn't even need to form a new party. But after so many failures from the dominant right party during neoliberal hell, the left finally had the opportunity and seized it, to become the new dominant party. They're the ones deporting, remigrating, closing borders, all while protecting the existing populist policies of the welfare state.

    American leftists are insanely more woke and neoliberal than Danish ones, so it will take longer and require a more vicious battle, but eventually there will be an anti-woke populist left that realigns out of the current era in America. At least, there will be in one of the rump states to the collapsing American Empire (something the Danes are fortunate enough not to have to deal with).

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  10. They can't even fumble for the correct answer when the debate over infinite cheap foreign replacements is framed about "America winning over its rivals".

    Well, whether America has to win over its rivals, or just win in some abstract sense without being compared to other nations, the only way to fuel competition at the between-group level is to minimize competition at the within-group level.

    "OK, so just be a total slave and cuck to your masters and overlords, right? Got it!" -- typical Darwin-oid slave morality.

    No, a well-oiled society does not have the elites absolutely abusing the shit out of their inferiors, while the inferiors just sit there and take it, or even beg for more abuse.

    Minimizing competition is a TWO-WAY STREET, as any class relation is. It means the commoners aren't lobbing literal bombs at the elites -- but it also means the elites are practicing altruism toward the commoners. Skin in the game, honest signal, loyalty from above not only from below. But for failed wannabe yuppies, "altruism" as a label and practice is anathema -- one-a them commie-nest ideas, at least in the context of outside of a family.

    When the elites are unanimous about "worker harder, longer, and for cheaper pay and worse conditions, or you're dead to us and will be discarded for foreign bug-people who will outbid you in the labor market" -- that is clearly the opposite of altruism. That would be parasitism, exploiting the commoners for their own gain.

    In the good ol' days of the New Deal, elites voluntarily submitted themselves to astronomical tax rates, which did not fund libtard bullshit social engineering, but useful public goods and services for the public, like the interstate system, the space race (the circus part of bread and circuses, neither part of which our current elites will fund), R&D through the Pentagon and federal grants generally, Midcentury Modern civic architecture, and the whole rest of Midcentury utopia.

    They accepted living in far more modest houses than the Gilded Age elites or even the Roaring Twenties elites, who preferred Victorian mansions or palatial estates. They were fine with a ranch home or a split-level home, not too much larger than what the middle and working classes lived in.

    See my old article reviewing the history of house types in America, which links to a seminal contemporary article in Fortune Magazine from 1955 about how "top executives" live, which has a new link below.

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2013/12/history-of-home-prices-and-conspicuous.html

    https://fortune.com/article/how-top-executives-live-fortune-1955/

    Until the elites begin practicing altruism toward the commoners / general public, on a massive scale in multiple domains of society, like they used to not so long ago, they can get fucked about asking for loyalty and cooperation from the commoners. Hosts owe no loyalty and should never cooperate with their parasites -- that's suicide.

    Loyalty and cooperation are always a two-way street. As long as the elites are hell-bent on grinding the commoners into dust, what other choice do the commoners have but reciprocating the sentiment -- and the behavior? The elites reneged on the fragile social contract first, during the neoliberal Reagan revolution -- they must be the first to signal and implement a ceasefire on their side.

    But the way they're chimping out over getting infinite cheap foreign replacements for Americans, Americans will have no choice but to chimp out over being replaced. The collapse of the American Empire is just getting started...

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  11. And speaking of cheap labor, that Fortune article details how top executives in the New Deal were living lifestyles without hired help -- maybe a cook who showed up once in awhile, but did not live in the home, let alone having multiple hired hands living under their roof. Elites agreed to do more of that work by themselves, rather than hire cheap slaves to do it for them.

    Gilded Age elites had whole armies of hired help, live-in and otherwise.

    The same must apply to signal the eventual ceasefire from today's rapacious elites. They will agree to fix their own meals, not demand an infinite army of cheap foreign slaves to prepare meals in a restaurant, and another army of cheap foreign slaves to deliver to their doorstep. They will drive themselves around, like Don Draper did -- not rely on an army of cheap foreign slaves to drive them around in Ubers.

    They must agree to destroy the cheap-paying, undignified shit jobs that they have funded over the past several decades, and replace them with high-paying, dignified jobs like they have off-shored over that same period, but used to be there during the 1955 Fortune article's time. Manufacturing being the main sector that needs to come back.

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  12. And for the love of God, they can at least begin with the cheap talk / lip service, humbling themselves and ennobling those below them.

    Y'know, like "Hey, please, enough praise, I'm not a Nietzschean ubermensch or Ayn Randian demigod or Darwinian fittest survivor -- I'm just some midwit who razzle-dazzled the disbursers of the nearly 10 trillion dollars that the Central Bank just printed up out of thin air and handed out for free to the Wall Street banks to then hand out to whoever they felt like. I don't deserve a red cent of it, but I am very grateful to have it, but since I don't deserve it, I'm happy and feel obliged to send a big chunk of that toward the general public, who were not lucky enough to be in a position to razzle-dazzle a bunch of Wall Street suits who were throwing someone else's fake money wherever they felt like. Accepting a high tax rate on myself / personally funding a nationwide network of libraries that are well-made with good materials / etc."

    And that's in the best of cases -- others like Ramaswamy will have to admit they outright pulled a pump-and-dump scam to get their claws on their ill-gotten wealth, and play Robin Hood to cement their altruism cred:

    "I don't regret scamming those rich investors one bit -- but since I don't deserve it, I'm happy to spread a big chunk of it around to those who were not lucky enough to be in a position to pull a pump-and-dump IPO scam. *Points indiscriminately around him* YOU get your roads fixed, and YOU get your neighborhood pool repaired, and YOU get trees planted along both sides of your streets!"

    It's not just cuz of the clash between their midwit / mediocrity / scam / fraud reality, and their ubermensch self-aggrandizing narratives -- that's an aesthetic offense. But it's also a moral offense, broadcasting their plan to act like treasonous parasites toward the commoners, which prompts the commoners to reciprocate and act antagonistically toward the elites out of self-preservation.

    The easiest first step in de-escalation is in this immaterial lip service narrative domain. Just admit that you're not the creme de la creme of a meritocracy, but someone who got lucky when other creme de la creme types did not -- cuz there are too few slots for winners, vs. the number of qualified aspirants for those slots -- or an outright fraudster. But that, regardless of the reasons that you attained high status, power, wealth, etc., you're going to use that for the benefit of the general public and commoners.

    Neo mafia dons will successfully replace the mittel-mensch types, as our empire collapses, cuz they'll be honest and generous. " 'Ey, don't ask where I got da money from -- just take it, and buy somethin' nice for yourself, gabeezh? Your kid needs glasses? Consider it done, and don't worry about what I had to do to make it happen."

    'Ey, no problem, Don! We don't gotta know how da sausage gets made, as long as it shows up on our tables at dinner, ya know whadai mean?!

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  13. I hate having to wade into a big steaming pile of dIsCouRsE like this, I'll have to get to Indo-European fondness for animal hides and furs tomorrow. Probably a broader thing, BTW, tracing back to the Paleosiberians, since it's also common among Turkic and Mongol groups, and even somewhat into NE Asia like North Korea, as well as some Native American groups who began in NE Asia before crossing over into the New World.

    Quite the full circle for the wearers of coonskin caps to face off against wearers of big ol' feather headdresses, once we showed up in America from the other direction.

    A worthy fuckin' adversary, Dude...

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  14. But on a final and brief note about Glorious Nippon, they too have a penchant for wearing animal fur on their head, especially in a military context. This article is about the red-colored type of headgear, but there were other colors as well. It was made out of yak fur, and not woven into a fabric in a semi-civilized kind of way -- but allowing the natural appearance of yak fur to remain (only differing in its color), to give it that wild look:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaguma

    You don't fuck around with someone who's wearing bright-red yak fur on his head!

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  15. Another brief note about wearing fur (or simulated fur) in Japan, in the early 2010s there was a huge fashion craze for wearing animal tails at the hips or waist, as well as fur collars, cuffs, boots, leg-warmers, and so on.

    https://thejapans.org/2013/01/19/furry-business/

    http://www.unmissablejapan.com/etcetera/tails

    https://jlandstrange.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/furry-japan/

    Calling this a "furry" look is projection and cope from Americans or Westerners. Furries are deliberately weird, off-putting, creepy, poorly made, slop, gay, degenerate, alienating sub-culture.

    These fur tails, collars, cuffs, etc. on Japanese girls in 2012 are fashionable, kawaii, wholesome, natural, well-made, heterosexual, and mainstream or at least a sub-culture that appeals to the mainstream -- cool rather than weird.

    This is yet another example of the copium behind the anti-weeb meme about, "X: -_-, X in Japan: :O". This would only be an own if the two things were the same, but usually they are polar opposites, which is why weebs and many others have the excited reaction to the Japanese version -- the version that is not gay, weird, poorly made slop.

    Also, Japan has a national holiday since 1949, Coming of Age Day, which is just what it sounds like. To get in the festive mood about reaching maturity, girls dress up in somewhat more mature clothing. A crucial item of this outfit is a prominent fur collar (real or simulated), usually white, on top of a traditional Japanese kimono.

    https://blog.japanwondertravel.com/coming-of-age-day-in-japan-30415

    Finally, Pekora from Hololive has a prominent fur collar or scarf as a signature look. Supposedly it's just a fluffy scarf in the shape of a rabbit, but it looks like it's a fur collar.

    Not to mention the abundance of animal-looking people or animal-people hybrids in Japanese folk culture, including in contemporary media like vtubers (Pekora being part-rabbit, Mio being part-wolf, Okayu being part-cat, etc.). Having prominent fur is part of that look. And again, this is meant to be kawaii, staying in touch with nature, wholesome, etc. -- not a weird gay degenerate fetish like Western furries.

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  16. Cool vs. weird -- this needs a whole post of its own, but since I mentioned it in passing about fur in Japan vs. furries in the American Empire, I'll also note its connection in the GOP civil war about immigration.

    Ramaswamy was praising nerds and slandering jocks, like a typical bitter failed nerd. In his rant, he said America needs to valorize Screech instead of Zach and Slater, from seminal early '90s teen sit-com Saved by the Bell.

    However, Screech was not smart, accomplished, innovative, or anything else -- he was just a weirdo. The actual academic striver obsessed with grades, test scores, studying to the point of getting addicted to pep pills, college prestige, etc. was Jesse. But she was not a nerd or weirdo -- she was just as pretty and popular as Kelly.

    And as it turned out, popular heartthrob Zach was the one to get a perfect score on the SAT, not Screech.

    This was back when nerds were recognized for what they are -- weirdos, and that's it. They may be smart, but usually they are not. They're obsessed with some fixation, they have poor social skills, and nobody aspires to be them -- just the opposite.

    During the revenge of the nerds phenomenon of the 2010s, possibly going back into the 2000s, these awkward anti-aspirational midwits rebranded themselves as child prodigies who everyone looks up to and will save the world through their genius inventions.

    Back on Planet Earth, they were just the ones who had a hook-up to the nearly $10 trillion in fake money printed up by the Central Bank, to fund their obsessive fixations.

    But the nerds did not win this rebranding war on their own -- society as a whole had already turned away from "cool" as the aspirational quality to pursue, and re-oriented itself toward what is "weird" instead. This is when everything became based on what is ugly, what is slop, what is crappy, cringe, cursed, weird, disgusting, off-putting, "so bad it's good (not)", and so on.

    The origins of this lay in the '90s credo of grunge icon Kurt Cobain -- "rather be dead than cool". He himself mainly pursued cool, but did introduce some cringe / weird / off-putting elements into the aesthetic mainstream, like greasy unkempt hair, sometimes wearing a dress (and looking ugly in it), etc. Or Mystery Science Theater 3000 focusing only on poorly made B movies, to the exclusion of well-made B movies or good blockbuster movies.

    Actually, Marilyn Manson was more central to this transition from cool to weird, than Kurt Cobain was. Talk about deliberately weird, disgusting, etc. -- in the look as well as in the music, which was not as melodic or catchy as Nirvana. There was still some glam-rock coolness to his persona, and which babes he chose for arm candy, but you can clearly see the origins of "weird replaces cool" in '90s alternative culture.

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  17. To spell out what the major difference is b/w cool and weird -- cool is something a minority of society possesses, that the rest of them (or a large chunk) aspire to or at least give respect and validation to. It's about improving the broader culture through being a role model. Not necessarily being avant-garde, ahead of the curve, trend-setting, etc. -- you could be a total follower of trends, rather than a setter of trends, and still be cool. It's more about being a minority that others want to emulate, or at least respect and value.

    Weird is about being off-putting toward the rest of society, not something alluring to them. It's everything that others DO NOT want to be, what they DO NOT respect, DO NOT value, etc. It is deliberately anti-aesthetic, and a form of anti-entertainment.

    No one watches a movie whose sole or dominant value is its weirdness and thinks, "Well, it's not exactly my taste, but it's still well made and a good creative outcome." It's just crappy boring slop to be avoided, and denigrated if anything -- "Oh God, more of this crappy slop, enough already..."

    Because only a small minority of slop-slurpers will eagerly consume weird culture, it does not go mainstream, unlike cool culture. It does not inspire the masses to adopt it, however imperfectly -- they just tune out and ignore weird culture altogether.

    It fragments what used to be a broad mainstream culture, and prevents such a broad mainstream culture from cohering in the future. It is socially corrosive rather than constructive, deliberately -- as judged from their anti-social, shut-in, entitled personalities, rather than someone cool who doesn't mind, or even enjoys, being the life of the party.

    Weirdness hates culture, and seeks to undo it from inside -- both on the production side, and on the consumption side, where slop-slurpers become the remaining splinter-group that fixates on new culture, while the dreaded nOrMieS drop out of the audience altogether.

    Cool people never made fun of "normies" -- they made fun of "squares". You could be weird and square -- like Screech from Saved by the Bell, or most other nerds from real life. You could be normie and cool -- like Zach and Lisa.

    Not all normies were cool -- only a minority were -- but most normies respected and valued coolness, even aspired to attain coolness. This allure gave it a mainstream presence.

    Few people, no matter where they come from, aspire to be weird, off-putting, cringe, etc. This blandness, crappy sloppiness, or disgusting repulsion, prevents weirdness from going mainstream in the population -- however much it may take over new cultural production (which most people tune out).

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  18. You REALLY see this shift among gays, who went from emulating cool straight guys of their day, to polluting the mainstream with ugly, campy, demonic, disgusting culture -- with the emphasis on "queer-ing" culture, i.e. making it weird, not cool.

    I don't blame the gays themselves, they're a symptom rather than underlying cause. They are always bandwagon jumper-onners, never trend-setters. Jesus, they're still sporting gay whoosh hairdos (undercuts, severe side parts, faux-hawks, etc.) and skinny jeans in the 2020s!

    First it was straight cool guys like Kurt Cobain, then Marilyn Manson amping it up, who began the trend toward queer-ing culture -- not the fags themselves. Probably the one area of life in which they are risk-averse -- being a daring cultural trend-setter, or only jumping on the bandwagon when early adopters have given them permission.

    This assessment is not just from a cool straight guy who finds gays generally off-putting, as most straight guys do -- which is why straight guys, even super-libtarded leftists, never seek out a gay BFF or an entire gay friend circle.

    Gays themselves say this, over and over, e.g. on the Red Scare subreddit. How their ancestors in the '70s like Yves Saint-Laurent used to look so handsome, chic, debonair, etc. -- both in personal appearance, and in their residence.

    But YSL just looked like a "standard" cool straight guy from the '70s, you wouldn't instantly clock him as a fag by looking at him. And so did his apartment -- standard hetero cool-guy Midcentury Modern playboy bachelor pad (with some distinguished trad accents).

    For that matter, his cultural creations did not look weird or off-putting or ridiculous -- it was cool, chic, aspirational, etc. The clothing, the perfume, the ads, everything.

    This was just one facet of gays being pressured, sometimes bullied, into joining the mainstream. That allowed them to be cool, if they in the minority who could pull it off of course. He was not in the closet, did not get sham-married to a beard, etc. But he was still reflecting the pressure from hetero normie mainstream society to join it, rather than carve out an anti-societal weird niche for his fellow gays and a tiny pool of straight slop-slurpers.

    As coolness has been killed off by weirdness, gays have eagerly abandoned any pretense of being cool, something that others would respect or value or aspire to be. Obviously not in the cock-sucking part -- I mean how they dress, look, live, etc. No guy sees a severe under-cut on totally gray hair on a guy younger than 60, and says "If only I could look like that..." No guy sees a fat neckbeard with greasy stringy thin green hair that's poorly cut, while wearing a dumpy dress, and says, "Y'know, I never thought of that, but now that I see it being modeled, I oughtta copy that look!"

    In an era of ugly cringey slop, gays go the extra mile to look like ugly, disgusting, cringey, anti-aspirational piles of ridiculous slop. They've gone from gay to queer.

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  19. The Village People of "Y.M.C.A." fame are another example from the before-times. They weren't chic denobair playboy types like YSL, they were based on macho stereotypes -- Indian warrior, construction worker, policeman, biker, cowboy, soldier (from the Navy).

    But focusing on the macho-ness is missing the bigger picture -- the personas were all from normie mainstream society, not personas from an anti-aesthetic anti-social weird queer niche.

    And although their facial expressions, mannerisms, and their stage performance would have given them away as gay, the costumes themselves did not. They were not a ridiculous camp-y caricature of a construction worker or policeman -- just their usual uniforms. The camp value came from their mannerisms, behavior, and performance, and their song lyrics.

    It wasn't appropriating mainstream normie culture in order to destroy or corrode it in front of the normies -- it was their way of showing they were going to join the normie mainstream, at least in their clothing (if not in their sexual behavior).

    And these were all roles that normie straight guys looked up to as cool or badass -- who didn't think cowboys and Indians and bikers were cool or badass? Again, the gay group was following and joining the normie hetero mainstream, not setting itself up in ugly corrosive antagonism to it.

    Nowadays it's either generic bland yuppie striver slop, weird slop, or outright tranny demonic goblin slop. Like I said, they're just imitating the straight guys as always, who gave up on cool decades ago. Still, gays go over-the-top in whatever the current trend is -- extra-crappy, these days.

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  20. Is the weirdness replacing coolness a function of neoliberal Darwinist striver crap or America's collapsing asabiya?

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  21. On an uplifting note, it's still possible to be cool if you want to, and plenty of people IRL will appreciate it -- if not the minority of slop-slurpers, who are to be ignored and denigrated anyway.

    Yesterday I got tons of spontaneous compliments on my plaid wool poncho, mainly a red background with dark blue secondary, and off-white and yellow as accent colors. Very rich colors, well made, all-wool, no tag but obviously vintage and made in USA or maybe the UK. Outline is just a rectangle or square, with a hole cut for the head that forms a rounded V in front and in back, and oriented so there's a corner lying at the bottom in front and in back and on the left and right sides -- not tailored to fit the torso, but the "just threw on a throw blanket" kind of look.

    Wore it with a cotton button-down shirt that's butter color, and a bit heavier than an Oxford shirt but not as much as a flannel or shammy, dark-blue jeans in a straight leg, Western boots in a ruddy brown color, and similar-looking wide belt with chrome buckle.

    Casual, informal, cozy -- but put-together, pleasing to look at, cool / boho, and a distinctly American folk costume. All I was missing was a wide-brimmed dark-brown hat, and a revolver on my belt!

    Clint Eastwood's most iconic Western look features a big drape-y poncho, too, and with a bold contrasting geometric pattern at that.

    I'm not lying when I say multiple women stopped me to tell me how great it looks, engaging in a back-and-forth for a minute or so, not just a quick "looks nice!" And the teenage Latina cutie cashier at the supermarket who, even though I wasn't at her lane, just strolling by on my way out, made big wide eyes and a bright smile at me --

    byyyyyyeeeee... :)))) have a good niiiiiiightttt... :)))))

    Luv girls ^_^

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  22. Weirdness is more about collapsing asabiya, attending imperial collapse -- just like the explosion of deliberately ugly art and entertainment, and self-proclaimed "anti-art" in the early 20th C, within the collapsing Euro empires, especially Weimar Germany.

    That nearly Euro-wide phenomenon did not infect America, cuz we weren't a collapsing empire back then -- still expanding, still cohesive. As we absorbed the collapsed Euro empires into our sphere after WWI and II, they drew on the culture of their new overlords, which was not degenerate or openly anti-art / anti-aesthetic. God knows how long it would've lasted over there if not for being rescued by America.

    Or by the Russian Empire, rebranded as the Soviet Union. They rescued a lot of the collapsed Austrian Empire, like Czechoslovakia and Hungary, and the core of the collapsed German Empire (Eastern Germany, where the Prussia-Brandenburg origins of the empire were located).

    Stalinist architecture -- AKA Art Deco in America -- Soviet Realism, Midcentury Modern furniture, science-fiction, etc., saved those collapsed empires from staying mired in degenerate ugly-on-purpose art. Just look at what a shithole Prague has turned into after the Soviets collapsed...

    Without knowing the specifics, I'm sure the Saudi Arabian Empire had a similar rescuing effect on the Middle Eastern parts of the collapsed Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were pretty decadent by that point, too. Probably like the Taliban putting an end to gay pedophile sex trafficking in Afghanistan, which was organized by the local clients of the collapsing American Empire.

    Certainly the Saudi rescue effort took on a more overtly religious tone than the American or Russian rescue efforts, but all were purging decadence and degeneracy one way or another, leading the Arab world into a more proud and stoic Midcentury militarism with wholesome values and lifestyles.

    I don't know if the Ottomans were as into gayness as the Afghan clients of America, but they sure were into white slavery to fill their harems. Once the still-cohesive empires of Russia and Saudi Arabia, and somewhat America, are the main forces near Turkey, it's bye-bye to trafficking pretty young girls from Circassia, Lebanon, and wherever else. The newly unified Yugoslavia -- not an empire, but more cohesive than the fragmented Balkans before it -- must have put a stop to white slavery from the Balkans into Turkey. They were similar to America and Russia, on a smaller scale, part of the wholesome Midcentury Modern period.

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  23. Glorious Nippon has not yet descended into deliberately ugly anti-art, nor promoted a broad crusade of anti-aesthetics. Like America, Russia, and Saudi Arabia, they were still cohesive and expanding during WWI and WWII -- until they were defeated by us.

    But when we absorbed them, to some extent, into our sphere, there was no rescue effort needed -- they were not suffering from imperial collapse like the Euro empires were. So they were not mired in anti-art garbaggio. They still had a healthy thriving creative dynamic culture.

    It's just that it was going to take on more American influences, which only reinforced its wholesomeness and creative dynamism. Neither side was a collapsed empire mired in sclerotic languid ugliness and poorly made crap.

    Somehow Japan has managed to avoid taking in the anti-cohesive, anti-aesthetic, iconoclastic, heritage-hating, woketard trash that has plagued America for several decades now. Even though we still occupy them militarily.

    To this day, Japanese vtubers, and most people in Japan, resonate with things that are kakkoii, kawaii, and sugoi -- cool, cute, and awesome / amazing. Americans resonated with those qualities not too long ago.

    Also like Americans from decades past, the Japanese still use intensifiers to express how great something -- meccha-something, like meccha kawaii -- *really* cute, or *soooo* cute.

    As of the 2010s, Americans use minimizers like "kind of" and "sort of", e.g. "kind of amazing". How can something be "kind of amazing"? They're just trying to lower the intensity, so that society-wide excitement does not catch on.

    As recently as the '80s and '90s, something was not "kind of awesome" -- it was TOTALLY FUCKIN' AWESOME.

    Also, the Japanese never learned English, unlike most other countries in our imperial sphere. They've been occupied by us just as long as the Euros have, and just about as long as South Korea has. Even places we do not formally occupy, like Indonesia, speak more English than Japan does.

    I don't begrudge them that -- it's a sign of how healthy their own Japanese culture is, that they don't need to learn a foreign language in order to participate in a thriving dynamic creative culture, which is entirely mediated by Nihongo.

    Indonesia has no authentic, internal dynamic culture of its own these days (traditional yes, but not a modern / contemporary one), so it has to learn English and participate in the American-led global culture.

    Japan has remained far more culturally autonomous, and the fact that 80 years after defeating and occupying them, still hardly anyone there speaks English, is a testament to how well they have managed to preserve their autonomy and internal cohesion.

    Unlike other wealthy nations in the American imperial sphere, Japanese elites have not flooded their country with poor foreigners in order to drive down wages and boost profit margins. That would be obscenely treasonous, and any Japanese elite who suggested it in public would be forced to commit seppuku, literally not figuratively.

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  24. At most, the Japanese have a partial fondness for "kusoge" -- crappy game, or shitty game, referring to video games. However, there is not Cult of Kuso, where they indulge in crappily made things in all sorts of domain, aspire to make their own creations crappy, and so on.

    It's more like a momentary bit of light comedic relief, in between something serious, cute, cool, or awesome. It's not a single-minded crusade to deprive the culture of things that are cool, cute, and awesome.

    And not all Japanese vtubers or streamers are into kusoge, only some of them (as comic relief, not their main source of content). It's not as all-strangling as the Cult of Crap here in America.

    "Why would we spend all of our precious, fleeting time playing crap, when there are games that are cool, cute, and awesome?!?!?!"

    And although I'm not an expert in Nihongo, I'm pretty sure there's still a connection between "weird" and "disgusting". "Kimoi" means creepy or gross, and they use that when they see, e.g., ugly bug-like aliens in a Metroid game (I remember Okayu using this word a lot in her Metroid series of streams). "Kimyouna" means odd, strange, weird, queer, etc. Given the similarity, it seems like they still connect weird / strange with creepy / gross. It still has a negative connotation, not a positive one.

    Again, weirdness doesn't exactly have a positive connotation in America either -- it's more like it's taken over, despite most people not wanting it and tuning it out. But among culture-producers, it is spoken of as a desirable quality to aspire to. Japanese culture-producers would never say their ultimate aesthetic goal is to create something kimoi or kimyouna. One or two misfits? Maybe. But not the broad crusade of the Cult of Crap that infects America and most of its sphere more and more every year.

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  25. Other major Euro cultures that did not descend into degeneracy during the early 20th C -- Scandinavia and Italy, neither of which were collapsing empires of their own, nor did they belong to someone else's collapsing empire.

    Italy was in fact on a unifying trend, not a fragmenting trend, following their 19th-C unification.

    Sweden was a regional great power in the 17th C, but not an empire, and the other Scandi countries were even less imperial. Only one empire in history came from Scandinavia -- the Vikings, whose heyday was 1000 years before the early 20th C. No imperial collapse symptoms left by that point.

    Likewise, the Roman Empire's collapse from the 3rd C onward was dramatic, but by the early 20th C, Italy was no longer plunged into the social-cultural refractory state that they were in during Late Antiquity and the early Dark Ages. They had healthy city-states in the Center and North by the Renaissance, including a regional great power in the Venetian Republic, and they had just unified as a nation in the 19th C. Not breeding grounds for degeneracy and deliberately anti-aesthetic "art".

    Italy's main contribution to art of that time was Futurism, which is just about dynamic motion, sublime forces, over-awing massiveness, etc. It fed into Art Deco, which was also not degenerate or anti-aesthetic -- quite the contrary.

    The one partial exception was De Chirico, but he wasn't about anti-aesthetics. More about creating an atmosphere that was sublime, if unsettling. Haunting, dream-like, uncanny, hinting at surrealism. Not ugly, iconoclastic, or crappy. Not anti-art.

    And this "metaphysical phase" of his only lasted a few years, after which he disowned it and went in a Renaissance-inspired direction, becoming a bitter critic of modern art (meaning, from the collapsed Euro empires of France, Germany, Austria, Spain, and Britain).

    Also, he was born and raised in Greece (collapsing Ottoman Empire), studied and trained further in Munich (collapsing German Empire), and spent some time after that in Paris (collapsing French Empire). He only settled in Italy when WWI broke out, during his mid-to-late 20s. He's not really an Italian figure, but a cosmopolitan figure from the various collapsing empires of the fin-de-siecle.

    In any case, both Scandinavia and Italy went on to become major cultural forces during the Midcentury -- movies, design, architecture, fashion, you name it. They left most of their collapsed Euro imperial neighbors in the dust. They were not on the level of America and Russia, but they were still holding their own -- as was Japan, the other example of "not a collapsed empire". Oh, and of course Switzerland, but they're a little too small to contribute very much.

    And to this day, as far as I can tell, Scandinavia and Italy are not members of the Cult of Crap, not nationwide anyway. I'm sure there are some sub-cultures that are into slop, but it hasn't taken over their entire cultural production.

    Italy, like Japan, did have a brief moment where it was synonymous with gory ugly disgusting horror movies. For Italy in the late '70s and '80s, for Japan in the late '90s and early 2000s. But those were fleeting phases, not an ongoing crusade. And also not an iconoclastic attempt to erase and denigrate everything that came before them, whereas the American Cult of Crap seeks to erase, censor, problematize, or slander everything that was created before Obama's 2nd term.

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    1. In the 1960s, the Italians even briefly beat the US at making Westerns in the form of "Spaghetti Westerns"

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  26. I know Greece won formal independence from the Ottomans in the 1820s, but when de Chirico was born and raised in Greece in the late 1800s and early 1900s, it was still very much part of the Ottoman orbit and afflicted by all the collapsing empire problems, which is what "Balkanization" refers to -- their specific flavor of a general pattern, namely imperial collapse, especially among the peripheral provinces rather than the core.

    Likewise, Lebanon was free from Ottoman rule after the Ottomans bit the dust after WWI. And even being ruled by the French protectorate only lasted until the early '40s, until France became a collapsed empire in turn.

    That didn't stop Lebanon from showing the symptoms of imperial collapse -- it still has many of them to this day, although it has had the unifying, constructive influence of having to face a new meta-ethnic nemesis, namely the Zionists from Israel.

    Other than that, the Levant might as well be the Balkans, and for the same reason -- both are peripheral provinces of the collapsed Ottoman Empire, and those symptoms do not go away overnight. It's barely been one century.

    That's how it was in post-independence Greece during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Nominally independent, yet still burdened and plagued by the symptoms of the collapse of the empire it used to belong to.

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  27. Would you say India's mass culture export, largely wholesome, colourful musicals, is evocative of a growing empire?

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  28. India was part of the British Empire and is now an asabiya black hole low trust society.

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  29. No one outside of South Asia watches Bollywood movies, whether musical or otherwise. We may know about it, but we haven't seen any of them, can't name a single one by name, nor any actors, directors, composers, dance numbers, songs, plot summaries... etc.

    Everyone outside of Japan is very familiar with their video games, and a decent amount of their anime -- either the ones made for Japan, like Dragonball, or ones made for overseas audiences but animated by Japan, like Transformers, G.I. Joe, Jem, etc. in America during the '80s.

    In fact, most or all of those Rankin & Bass Christmas TV specials that you may have been watching recently, were animated in Japan, both the hand-drawn and the stop-motion type. Nothing is more all-American than stories and voice performances by Americans, with animation by Japanese.

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  30. https://www.nishikata-eiga.com/2010/12/rankinbass-christmas-specials-made-in.html

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  31. You can bypass the paywall for that Fortune Mag article by copy-pasting the URL into the Wayback Machine, BTW.

    I didn't check, figuring they wouldn't try to paywall an article from 1955...

    One other item of note there is that the top executives were not only voluntarily submitting to high tax rates, but agreed to underwrite all sorts of losses for public goods and services -- like the San Francisco Opera, the Boy Scouts, and a variety of charities, out of their own pocketbook.

    Actual charities, i.e. that give people free stuff that helps their lives. Like providing palliative care for people with cerebral palsy. Not "teaching BIPOC trans kids from low-income neighborhoods how to program in Python" or something fake & gay like that, which doesn't give the unfortunate the things that they need. No responsibilizing, just giving them what they need.

    Also not "funding genetics studies that may one day discover a gene-based / stem-cell therapy cure for cerebral palsy" -- your genes are not there to program your impairment.

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  32. Jesus, without having looked into it before, I just knew there would be all sorts of pointless genetic bullshit going on with this disease. Genetics "play a role" -- but are not the cause, otherwise those genes would get eliminated by Darwinian natural selection.

    Prevalence is a shocking 1 per 500 live births, highly common -- not a 1 in 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000. And also present for a long time, documented by Hippocrates himself way back in the 5th C B.C.

    The combination of 1) highly impairing of fitness, 2) highly common, way more than the random mutation rate for genes, and 3) around for a long time, enough for selection to have removed it by now, means that it's not genetic. Guaranteed not genetic. All those millions or billions of dollars flushed right down the toilet.

    Rather, it must be an environmental insult of some kind -- toxin, pathogen, something like that. At least the researchers are not totally clueless, and have found a link to infection during pregnancy, and immunizing against that pathogen can help prevent the kid from being born with cerebral palsy.

    Unlike harmful genes, natural selection cannot weed out all the environmental insults out there waiting to exploit you for their own gain like pathogens, or inanimate ones like lead paint or whatever.

    See Greg Cochran on the new germ theory, back during the 2000s. Some things will never change.

    Not only have the current elites flushed all that money down the toilet of genetic research for a common old impairing disease (which is therefore guaranteed NOT to be genetic, and where genetics can only play the role of "susceptibility to an infection"), instead of investing it in worthwhile avenues (like a pathogenic origin), they're also preventing that money from providing palliative care to people who already have the disease and need help.

    Such a total fucking waste -- but that's what neoliberal-era "charity" and "research grants" get you. Utterly backwards horseshit that basic biology contradicts (the theory of natural selection).

    In the New Deal, they may not have known what caused it, but at least they spent their money on helping people out who had it, not dump it down the drain of "can't even be possible" avenues of research for potential future cures.

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  33. And as for public goods like the opera, neolib elites have dedicated their vast ill-gotten wealth to DESTROYING the opera, ballet, movie theaters, malls, parks, gardens, libraries, and so on and so forth.

    At best they'll fund a piss-poor crappy slop digital / online replacement -- probably not even that. There's no such thing as a digital mall, with digital versions of the garden, park, sculpture gallery, civic architecture, etc. that were staples of a mall.

    Everyone hates streaming services vs. the good ol' video rental store, which had a WAY better selection. You can't stream anything over the new services cuz neolibs demand the distributor to purchase the licensing rights -- and those are for a limited time only. And too exorbitant even for that limited window. So guess what, you just can't see that movie on the services.

    At best you have to do the a la carte rental through Amazon Prime, since Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, etc. can't afford the licensing fee to include in on their "stream all you want" program.

    Then there are the proprietary properties, that only the streaming service belonging to the rights-holders will be allowed to distribute. It's the rebirth of the vertical integrated movie model that was busted up by the monopoly-busting New Deal Supreme Court back in the good ol' 1940s.

    Before then, studios were not just the makers of movies -- they owned the theaters where you saw the movies. So an MGM movie could only be seen in an MGM theater. Imagine having to shop around for the theater to see a certain movie in!

    But streaming is worse, cuz it's not a la carte but a recurring subscription. Imagine having to pay membership monthly fees for 10 different theater chains, just so you could have access to any movie that came out!

    Video rental stores were allowed to carry whatever the hell they wanted. And every mom & pop store in a bland strip center in suburban Nowheresville America had a full selection of classic Hollywood, foreign, cult, indie, and other niche genres.

    Netflix was only worth the money when it was a physical media distributor -- their library was infinite! Just like a mom & pop video store, but on steroids. If it was released on DVD, they had it available, only question is how long the wait was, if someone else had it checked out.

    When they went to online streaming, you couldn't find jackshit on there anymore, queue or no queue.

    Maybe the Zoomers and later generations will be inspired by Luigi Mangione, and say, "Y'know what? If you tech oligarch scum are just going to destroy all the awesome public goods we used to enjoy IRL, and replace them if at all with some shitty digital version -- how about we just destroy your physical body, right here and now, and maybe or maybe not code a shitty digital substitute of you that can be interacted with on an online app?"

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  34. Related article on how Netflix and streaming destroyed the quality of movies and TV shows:

    https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/

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  35. Spending New Year's Eve solving mysteries about Caucasus people, since they're an excellent example of the deception of language when looking into who is culturally descended from / related to who else.

    Turks speak a Turkic language, so do Azeris (in Iran or Azerbaijan). Armenians and Ossetians speak Indo-European. Georgians speak a Kartvelian language. Circassians speak a Northwest Caucasian language. Chechens speak a Northeast Caucasian language. These are purportedly all from separate families, some of which are small isolate families like NWC, NEC, and Kartvelian.

    But Hungarians speak a non-Indo-Euro language (Finno-Ugric / Uralic), and everyone knows they're culturally and genetically Indo-Euro, not Uralic. In fact we know exactly when and who brought that language to what is present-day Hungary -- the Magyars, who *were* Uralic, in the late 1st millennium AD. The Indo-Euros of present-day Hungary kept their culture overall, while adopting the non-Indo-Euro language of these invaders.

    Ditto for Turks speaking a Turkic language -- they preserved their Indo-Euro heritage, while adopting the language of the invading Seljuk / Ottoman Turks, who showed up in Anatolia during the early 2nd millennium AD.

    The point is, language is not a neutral cultural trait -- it has major utilitarian value, depending on who else you're trying to get along with, work for, serve militarily for, trade with, etc. Utilitarian traits can be deceptive for looking at ancestry, cuz it can flip overnight for utilitarian reasons and render their origins 99% opaque, if you judge only from present-day language.

    So, look at cultural traits that have no utilitarian value -- the random, idiosyncratic ones, the ones where "we do that just cuz it's our tradition". Since they have no utilitarian value, no outsiders are pressured to adopt them, and they remain indicative of deep origins. If two cultures share them, that reveals a common cultural ancestor -- not one of them adopting it from the other one.

    With that said, after I mentioned the Circassians off-hand yesterday, it got me thinking about their place in the big deep cultural history of their region, which is smack dab in the middle of the Indo-European homeland (to the north of the Caucasus Mountains, on the Western end of the Eurasian Steppe).

    Then I figured, might as well look into some of the other Caucasus people.

    I already suspected this, and provided some prelimary evidence from Chechens about 10 years ago, but I think all Caucasus people share a common cultural ancestor, and that is either Indo-European, or it is shared with the Indo-Europeans, indicating a stage before the Indo-Euros had their own culture. Perhaps only pertaining to the Western end of the Eurasian Steppe -- possibly extending to the Eastern end as well, and into parts of the New World, since they originally came over from Siberia.

    As for the Eastern Steppe connection, I haven't looked into it enough to say yet, but there are several telling signs of similarity between Indo-Euros, Caucasus people, and several New World Indian groups like the Na-Dene / Athabaskan wave (including most of the badass nomadic warrior tribes who remain out West in America, like the Navajo).

    Because I haven't looked into the Eastern end as much, I'll just mention the possibility that is worth exploring, and leave it there for the time being.

    Now, onto the Caucasus people...

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  36. Caucasus people jump over fire to purify / get good luck on New Year's, regardless of present-day language.

    The Persians are the most well known practitioners of this ancient Indo-Euro ritual -- Nowruz, in their terms. But other groups jump over fire on Nowruz as well, like the Kurds.

    And as it turns out, so do the Ossetians, who are an Iranian group that descends from the Northern Iranian groups like the Scythians and Sarmatians, on the Western Steppe, not the Persians or Medes who were from present-day Iran. The Ossetians call it a slightly different name -- Nogbon -- but it's the same holiday, ritual, and purpose. They live in the center of the Caucasus, not even on one of its edges -- and they jump over fire on New Year's.

    Armenians do the same, although under a different name -- Trndez. Another Indo-Euro-speaking Caucasus people who jump over fire for good luck. The timing is influenced by Armenians' adoption of Christianity -- they moved it from springtime to February, to coincide with Candlemas, which marks the end of Christmas-Epiphany season, which takes the form of "end of the year" instead of "end of winter / beginning of spring" based on the weather.

    Turks also jump over fire for good luck on Hidirellez, which is a Muslim re-branded version of Nowruz, in the same way that Armenians re-branded it in a Christian version. It remains a springtime holiday, though (early May). Turks speak a Turkic language as of the past 5 centuries or so, but are well known to have spoken Indo-European before then (Greek, Trojan, Hittite, etc. back to the Bronze Age).

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  37. Now is where things get interesting. It doesn't have its own Wikipedia page in English, but the Georgians also jump over fire for purifying good luck on New Year's! Well, Easter -- but reflecting the pagan New Year's, which was the arrival of springtime. It's called Chiakokonoba. Verbal description and gallery of images:

    https://susanastray.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/chiakokonoba/

    https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/georgian-boy-jumps-over-fire-during-folk-7709288a

    They are purported to have never spoken an Indo-Euro language (natively), but Kartvelian since ancient times -- and yet they share a common cultural ancestor with Indo-Euro groups from Anatolia, Armenia, Scythia, and Persia.

    This is not the only cultural element that they share -- recall that when I discovered circumabulation (walking around a focal area several times) as a common Indo-Euro wedding ritual, I mentioned that the Georgians practice it as well.

    Georgians are also clearly on the "animal fat" side of the "animal vs. vegetable fat" divide, indicating a lack of cultural ancestry from the Saharo-Arabian sphere to their south. The national dish of Georgia is khachapuri, which is baked not fried (no veg oil needed for frying), and is a bread-boat filled with cheese, egg yolk, and sometimes butter. Not a vegetable oil in sight!

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  38. But wait, there's more! Now onto the Circassians, who are in the NW part of the Caucasus, and speak a NWC language (from an isolate family). The Adyghe refers to the people and language of the western region of Circassia, and one of their tribes is the Bzhedug (Bzhedugh, Bzhedughe, etc.).

    Quoting from the following article, since again this does not have its own English Wiki article, nor is there any other English web-page about this ritual, since it's mostly Russian ethnographers studying the Caucasus:

    https://www.europeanproceedings.com/article/10.15405/epsbs.2019.03.02.111

    ' The spring game "dzor dzagu" - "the game with the cross" that is traditional for the Bzhedughes (another Circassian tribe) was described by S. H. Mafedzev (Mafedzev, 1979). The game took part in spring, at the end of March and in April (the period of celebration of the New Year according the Adyghe pagan tradition). It contains a number of elements that also indicate its cosmological orientation ("reconstruction of the Universe").

    ' As described by S. H. Mafedzev, the game consisted in kindling a large fire of straw, which ignited "dzor" - crosses of the participants; two playing teams lined up opposite to each other on the different sides of the fire. "Members of both teams lit their torches from the large fire and when holding them over their heads, took turns jumping over the fire" (Mafedzev, 1979). Jumping over the fire with their eyes closed and performing the song "dzor uarad" - "the song of the cross", the players ran across the field while continuing to sing. Then they returned and jumped over the fire again. One of the players was given the cross to throw it aside and say: "Dzor, dzor, fall where happiness lies and the hearth is rich!"(Azamatova, 1963).'

    New Year's, springtime, jumping over fire for good luck -- bingo. They share a common cultural ancestor with Georgians, Turks, Armenians, and various Iranian groups like Persians and Ossetians, regardless of linguistic incompatability.

    I couldn't find many details, in English, of their marriage and wedding rituals, so I don't know how much more they share with the Indo-Euros.

    However, they do practice a form of playful / ritualistic ransoming of the bride during the wedding, prompting the groom's side to pay a ransom of some kind before she is handed over. This is not bride kidnapping -- it's a playful mock-ransom during the wedding itself. Everyone knows she will be handed over, the groom's side just has to go through with the payment in order to make it official.

    The Indo-Euro form is more elaborated, where a specific item is ransomed -- like a shoe in the Indo-Aryan wedding, or a knife in the Iranian wedding. But it's in the same family of wedding rituals.

    The Chechens, from the Northeast Caucasusian language speakers, do this as well. I reviewed this all before:

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2014/02/ransoming-shoes-at-wedding-ancient-indo.html

    And this broad overview on the topic of Indo-Euro / Caucasus / Na-Dene connections, from the same time:

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2014/02/links-among-indo-europeans-caucasus.html

    I'll get to dancing styles later, but all Caucasus people share a common dancing style, similar to Indo-Euro step-dancing (Irish dancing, kathak from India, etc.).

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  39. The Indo-European-ness of the Basques! Before delving further into the Caucasus examples, I have to provide an example outside of the region to back up a broader pattern, which the Caucasus also belongs to. But just so it is motivated by other examples, not ad hoc for the Caucasus.

    The main point is, again, language is deceiving for inferring deep cultural roots. However, the examples I gave -- Turks speaking Turkic, Hungarians speaking Uralic, instead of both of their Indo-Euro original languages -- are of invaders coming in, and the hosts adopting the invading language.

    I don't think this happened in the Caucasus, where there are several language isolate families in addition to Indo-Euro and Turkic. It's not like there were separate waves of invaders who brought each family to that tiny little region.

    It must have been the reverse -- the expanding invaders, mainly the Indo-Euros, must have adopted the language of the natives who they invaded. These invaders kept most of their original Indo-Euro culture, but NOT their language, which is the only major sign of assimilation to the locals.

    Why? IDK, but mountain people are hard to invade and dislodge -- so in order to work with them, get the lay of the land, etc., the invaders compromised to some degree on culture. Namely, the invaders would adopt the local language, but not much else. Mountain culture is harder to dislodge and replace than lowland culture.

    The Indo-Euros replaced most of the local mountain culture, since Indo-Euros are the most successful expanding group in world history. But, they couldn't replace the language.

    That's my conclusion for the Caucasus, without going further into it.

    Are there other examples of this type, to show I'm not just ad-hoc-ing it? There is -- the Basques of the Pyrenees Mountains between Spain and France.

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  40. Basques are famous for continually speaking a non-Indo-Euro language that has an ancient and older lineage. It was there before the Indo-Euro invaders showed up in Iberia. It is from a language isolate family -- not from another big family like Saharo-Arabian, Turkic, etc.

    So, if you inferred from present-day language, you'd assume these people represent a non-Indo-Euro culture, and that somehow they have withstood assimilating or adopting the foreign culture of their Indo-Euro neighbors who invaded a couple thousand years ago.

    Well, not so fast -- let's look at the rest of their culture, that has no utilitarian value, instead of the highly deceptive trait of language.

    A timely example, Basques participate in the Yule log tradition, which has very ancient Indo-Euro roots, and their micro-rituals are like those of Provence and Portugal, both Indo-Euro cultures on either side of the Pyrenees. E.g., preserving some embers of last year's log in order to light this year's log, and spreading the ashes around the home and its land in order to spread good luck or protective powers.

    https://www.labayru.eus/en/basque-ethnography-at-a-glance/the-yule-log/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_log

    They also have a Christmastime gift-bringer of semi-supernatural or mythical powers, similar to Santa Claus, Olentzero, a giant who comes down from the mountains to bring children gifts on Christmas:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olentzero

    Basques' national headwear is a beret -- just like the French beret, Irish and Scottish bonnet / Tam O'Shanter, the pakol from the Pashtuns in Afghanistan, and all sorts of flat brimless wool caps in between. I reviewed this Indo-Euro hat pattern last year in the comments somewhere, which I won't look up or link right now. Point is: Basques blend right in with the Indo-Euros for their distinctive headwear.

    The Basque national dessert is etxeko bixkotxa (cake of the house), simply called gateau Basque in French. It uses butter in the dough, is baked not fried (no vegetable oil for frying), and is filled with a dairy cream. Just like the Indo-Euro dessert pattern, not like the Mediterranean pattern, certainly not like the Saharo-Arabian pattern of vegetable oil in desserts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A2teau_Basque

    The visual symbol of Basque country and its people, going back to ancient times, is a variation on the swastika, the Lauburu, with the same basic meaning of good luck and fortune as it has for the Indo-Euro-speaking cultures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauburu

    Tying back to the Caucasus, see my earlier link above that catalogs all sorts of Indo-Euro elements in Caucasus culture, including the symbol of Vainakh religion (what the Chechens practiced before their very recent Islamization), which is a variation on the swastika.

    And the final nail in the coffin is so big I need to start a new comment...

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  41. Basques jump over bonfires for good luck! Three times, specifically -- the same magic number of times as in other cases further to the east. And also like those cultures, they prepare some magical herbs etc. to throw into the bonfire beforehand, to give it extra magical powers.

    https://buber.net/Basque/2020/06/21/basque-fact-of-the-week-the-summer-solstice/

    The only slight difference is the timing -- not the end of winter, not the end of Christmas-Epiphany season, but the end of long days, i.e. the summer solstice. To reflect their adoption of Christianity, it's been tied to a nearby Christian holiday -- the Night of San Juan, which is in late June.

    But it is still construed as an "end of the year" kind of occasion, namely when bright season ends and darkness begins.

    So it's not quite as adherent to the original form, but it's 95% identical, and is a dead give-away that the Basques are most definitely Indo-Euro in their deep cultural origins. They might as well be from Iran.

    And finally, there's the "running of the bulls" that the city of Pamplona is famous for, and that's in the Basque region (Navarre). Bull-fighting is found next door in the Indo-Euro-speaking parts of Spain, where it's their distinctive national sport. And bull-leaping goes back to Bronze Age Indo-Euros, e.g. the depictions of bull-leaping from the period of Minoan civilization after it was invaded / influenced by Mycenaean Greeks, as well as in the Hittites, as well as eastern examples from Bactria.

    This daredevil sport involving a livestock species, specifically cows, is clearly from a badass pastoralist culture, not a sedentary agrarian one. Indo-European excellence at its finest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-leaping

    So, the Basques certainly do not represent a non-Indo-Euro culture, they do not represent a culture from before the Indo-Euro invasion of Iberia, etc. Only in their language are they non-Indo-Euro, but language is utilitarian.

    Looking at all the other non-utilitarian domains of their culture, the domains that preserve rituals just cuz "this is the way we have always done them" and are resistant to change or adoption or replacement, the Basques are clearly and distinctly Indo-European.

    The only catch is that they've adopted the language of the mountain people they invaded. There are surely some of the original pre-Indo-Euro population there, but they have adopted almost all of Indo-Euro culture, except for their language.

    The genetic data is not necessary to examine, but as it turns out, their closest neighbors are the Spanish, an uncontroversially Indo-Euro genepool and cultural group. Basques do have some unique DNA reflecting the pre-Indo-Euro population, but that was clearly swamped by the Indo-Euro invasion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Basques#Genetic_studies

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  42. Oddly enough, some linguists propose links between Basque languages and Caucasus languages of various families, but that's not important to the main argument here -- which is that an expanding invasion swamped a local population, genetically and culturally, but adopted the language instead of imposing their own language.

    The same thing, I conclude, happened in the Caucasus -- Indo-Euros invaded and in some cases kept their own language (Armenians and Ossetians), but generally adopted the local languages (Kartvelian, NWC, and NEC families).

    The similarity with Basques is the location being heavily mountainous, and mountain peoples and their cultures are much harder to dislodge and replace, for whatever reason. So unlike Indo-Euros invading and replacing all culture in a lowland area, like Russia or the Indus Valley, in a mountain area they had to make one major compromise -- language, which remained the local pre-invasion language.

    Amazing! In fact, TOTALLY FUCKIN' AMAZING!

    Who on social media even has these mysteries momentarily flitting through their ADHD-addled micro-brains? Let alone pondering them, and solving them? Only among the Cliffs of Wisdom in the ruins of the blogosphere will the mysteries be solved! ^_^

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  43. Dasha taking the Midcentury Japanese boho plunge -- and who says recent immigrants can't assimilate to American culture? ^_^

    In her New Year's pic showing caviar on a plate, I was struck by how cool the painting on the plate looks -- exactly the same style and technique as a pair of dinner plates I thrifted by Mikasa. So that made it easy to find -- "A basket of sunshine". Mine is "From the garden".

    Very '70s earth tones, speckled beige background with a watercolor-y stripe around the rim.

    But what caught my eye was how saturated the colors are, and how uniform they are within each shape -- it's like hitting "fill" in MS Paint. Not painterly, but more like a Japanese woodblock print, manga, anime cel, or retro video game.

    And the line art is more stylized, too, not so naturalistic. Also giving it a cool mod aesthetic rather than trad.

    And all the multi-tone combos, with various greens, oranges / yellows, and beiges / browns, all within the same plate. Stimulating!

    I normally don't comment on Twitter pics, but I can't help getting thirst trapped by iconic Midcentury design, especially from Glorious Nippon. ^_^

    She has a good eye, as well as an intuition for how American it is to have Midcentury Japanese things in the home. Just wanted her to know that it's very much appreciated by us true Americans... hehe.

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  44. Also on a Midcentury December aesthetic note, I was watching the Carpenters' Christmas Portrait special on YouTube...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzaxs_QD5TU

    And around 7 min, in the kitchen sketch, Karen is wearing an apron that has the same pattern on the tablecloth I thrifted for maybe $5 in the unglamorous part of town -- during the summer, when no one else was paying any attention to it, muahaha.

    Also has that "MS Paint fill" look with striking line art and rich saturated colors. The tablecloth also has some smaller brown pinecone shapes -- can't tell if the apron does as well or not. But anyway, basically the same.

    Made from linen, and made in USA although there's no label (you can tell).

    No clue who made it, or what the line is called. But was amazed to see it in one of the most iconic Midcentury Christmas specials -- with guest Gene Kelly! Just a couple years before Xanadu.

    Imagine celebrating Christmas in America without iconic Midcentury home items...

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  45. That saturated style also looks like illustrations from magazines, bookcovers, posters, and other art from mass media -- well, back when print media was still in its heyday.

    There was the slick glossy photorealistic picture thing they offered, but there was also that bold saturated stylized illustration thing they offered as well.

    But that style was applied to all sorts of mass-produced things, including plates and cups! Things you use and interact with daily for utilitarian purposes, like having a meal, which make it feel less utilitarian and more aesthetic and special -- and enculturated, belonging to America (or wherever you are).

    No one is a true member of their culture without these seemingly quotidian things, which actually make all the difference. You're culturally adrift if you just have plain white plates, nondescript glasses, and basic made-in-China silverware.

    There are many ways to belong to American culture, not just one. Not anything-goes either. But you have to choose one or more of them!

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  46. More on what makes those Mikasa plates so unique aesthetically. I should have emphasized that they have line art -- that's what makes it look like a manga / anime, comic book, bookcover, hand-drawn illustrated poster, etc.

    It's not painterly, due to having clearly defined outlines for the shapes. And the thickness or boldness of the outlines is not uniform -- most places it's on the thin side, although enough to be visible to the naked eye without squinting or having it pointed out to you.

    But there are other places where the outline is very thick and bold, and it gives the outline a kind of rhythm or asymmetry or sense of harmony and balance mixed with action, activity, and movement. It also gives it some light-dark contrast, and just a hint of 3D shape (though more in a bas-relief way, not photorealistic, which is borrrinnnggg).

    In all my thrifting days, I don't think this was very common even in the good ol' days, outside of Mikasa. Not to such a striking degree, anyway.

    Like the Corelle plates, etc., that we all know and love (we true Americans, I mean). The iconic butterfly gold pattern, or any of them, do not have black outlines around the shapes -- the shapes do have a uniform "MS Paint fill" color, but no outlines to make them look like illustrations. Nothing wrong with that -- just doesn't have that hand-painted illustration look.

    The Mikasa ones, in addition to having very prominent and expressive line art, also have a bit of texture to the fill colors -- it's not literally MS Paint fill. There's a bit of speckled variation and texture.

    Kind of like ink on paper, like paperback bookcovers or magazine paper -- it wasn't entirely uniform, it had subtle shades to it and texture. The paint on these Mikasa plates produces a similar effect.

    Whereas the Corelle butterfly gold, and other, patterns are uniform in color and have a smooth polished lack of texture -- combined with the gleaming, smooth, white background, it gives it that Space Age look and feel. Precise, clean, bright, etc.

    Every American home needs both! Of course I have both types, including tons of stuff in Corelle butterfly gold. But we also need that expressive, funky, back-to-organic-nature, textured, dynamic asymmetric compositions, sort of thing.

    The shapes in the Mikasa plates are also unique rendering of the "same" basic form. Like in Dasha's example, it's the same flower species, yet each flower's petals are subtly different from one another within a single flower, and different from the other flowers' petals. They're posed at varying heights, facing somewhat different directions. It's not a highly regular geometric symmetrical copy + paste the same pattern over and over, as in the Greek key motif on her glasses, or again the butterfly gold pattern by Corelle.

    So the composition is on the naturalistic side -- in the natural world, no two petals are identical, no two flowers of the same species are identical, and a flower arrangement is not perfectly symmetrical. Yet the line art and color palette is more stylized, certainly the line art is, but the bold saturated nearly "MS Paint fill" color technique, the deliberate two-tone combo for every color (a lighter and a darker shade of green, brown, and orange / yellow), gives it a more stylized appearance.

    Neat!

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  47. To browse a wider range of these Mikasa plates, here is the company's entry at Replacements.com:

    https://www.replacements.com/china-mikasa/b/001-800803

    On the left sidebar, where it says "Search within," enter any of the following family names:

    Garden club (which includes Dasha's example, Sunshine)

    Natural beauty (which includes mine, Fresh from the Garden)

    Stone Manor (a slightly earlier but similar family)

    There may be some other families, but those seem to be the main ones. All begun in the '70s, and generally lasted through the early '80s -- pre-neoliberal folk art. These family names refer to the member that has no center art, a blank template, which is shared by the other ones with the art actually on the center part.

    You can right-click the head image of the line's entry, and open in a new tab to see a larger size.

    There's some pretty damn good looking examples from these three families! All with the same exciting traits I discussed earlier.

    Try to keep a look out for them in thrift stores, where they're cheap (I scored those pair of dinner plates for only $2 apiece, in the unglam part of town, as per yoozh). But if you just have to have a certain pair, now you know what names to search for on ebay.

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  48. Why did Japan specialize in these kinds of plate designs? Cuz Europe was never big on illustration -- their background was oil painting. Maybe pencil or ink sketches, but not the 20th-century look of dark line art around shapes, with fill colors and some shading.

    America could have done the illustration look, since we pioneered that medium, but we have always been more devoted to the other artistic medium we invented -- photography, especially cinematography. That goes all the way through our entry into video game creation, where we favor the 3D VR photorealistic simulator approach.

    Illustration and hand animation has always taken a back seat in American art, even if it is still well represented and globally exported (like the classic Disney animated movies).

    But Glorious Nippon has always favored the style that derives from their woodblock print medium, which evolved into manga, anime, and video games (which look like anime, not photography).

    So they were in a perfect position to undertake these hand-painted illustrated patterns on dinnerware that reached its peak in the '70s. It was their specialty, their distinctive national style.

    Plus they have ancient roots in the material of ceramics, so they didn't have to re-invent the wheel there or play catch-up.

    Everyday usable folk art doesn't get better than made-in-Japan ceramics from the '70s. So pretty, sometimes stunning, yet cozy and soothing and -- once you're raised with it -- familiar and nostalgic. ^_^

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  49. Here's the one I was raised with, not by Mikasa but by Hearthside, the Chablis line:

    https://www.replacements.com/china-hearthside-chablis/c/36713

    It has line art! Not quite as expressive or noticeable as those Mikasa families, but still there and part of its distinctive look. And still '70s earth tones, speckled beige, brown rims, etc. Made in Japan, of course.

    I scoured the thrift stores in the late 2010s to put together a whole set, and asked my dad to buy me the few remaining pieces on ebay as a little birthday present. I have the coffee pot, crock, butter dish, creamer, gravy boat -- you name it, I've got it. ^_^

    This line was incredibly popular in America, so it is still possible to find in thrift stores to this day. My mom said they used to gift these in supermarkets if you spent a certain amount, or something, I don't remember exactly. Point being, it was very widespread, which is why that's the line I was raised with. Everybody had it.

    And thanks to how well made it is -- everybody still can. ^_^

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  50. Finally, here are two others by Hearthside that show a more calligraphic line art, but even simpler and more uniform color fill (which does not fit exactly within those outlines, it's more floating and impressionistic -- it adds the all-important wabi-sabi quality to it).

    The overall feel is "more painterly than the manga / anime look," but in some kind of minimalist or Zen Japanese painting style that I'm not familiar with by name, rather than a Euro painterly style.

    https://www.replacements.com/china-hearthside-dogwood/c/36716

    https://www.replacements.com/china-hearthside-fleur-de-lis/c/36724

    I only have a pair of salad plates from each line, but they're so cool I use them as regularly as I can.

    I've seen some of the other pieces with no art, like the bowls or mugs, but they don't do it for me enough. If you like the tan + brown combo, they're great.

    But the Chablis line has that brown speckling over the beige background that I like better.

    There's no denying how cool the abstract calligraphy style of Dogwood and Fleur de Lis are, though, so I had to get the pieces with that art on them. ^_^

    Unlike Chablis, those lines were not mass-marketed in supermarket check-out lanes, so they're harder to find in thrift stores.

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  51. "Why does the color of a shape sometimes not go right up to the outline? And why does it sometimes extend outside the outline?"

    Wabi-sabi ^_^

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  52. Reagan signed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 into law which banned lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers. And now big pharma are allowed to manufacture millions of defective vaccines and force Americans to take them before they are allowed to attend school or work at a job, and nobody can sue them for the damage that they have caused.

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  53. Reaganism was the origin of everything wrong in our collapsing shithole society. Speaking of H-1B visas and immigration in general, who signed the most open-borders law in a century? Why, none other than George H.W. Bush in 1990, which began the H-1B visa itself:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/29/bush-immigration-reform-1990-1014141

    That was just after Reagan signed the 1986 amnesty for illegals.

    Very dumb right-wingers always lie about the 1964 immigration act, in a sad pathetic effect to blame both the New Deal and the Dummiecrats in the White House.

    Back on Planet Earth, the % of the population that's foreign-born hit rock-bottom during the 1970s. It only took off like a rocket with the neoliberal revolution, AKA Reaganism.

    The New Deal was our American utopia, in every way, including how native-born the population was, which was only flooded with cheap foreigners under Reagan and his descendants -- including up through Trump: Season 1 and soon to be Season 3.

    Anyone who praises Reaganism over the New Deal is to blame for the continued shithole-ification of our once Great Society.

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    1. Actually, much of neo-liberalism started with Carter (https://www.salon.com/2011/02/08/lind_reaganism_carter/) and the New York fiscal crisis of 1975 (https://www.amazon.ca/Fear-City-Fiscal-Austerity-Politics/dp/080509525X). Did you know that Milton Friedman himself, who first coined "neo-liberalism" in 1951, wanted Donald Rumsfeld of all people in the White House (https://michaelperelman.wordpress.com/2006/12/25/milton-friedman-ronald-reagan-and-rumsfeld/)

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  54. At least on the political realignment front, we are finally seeing some left wingers begin to denounce legal immigration and the H-1B visas again for being legalized indentured servitude that corporations use to depress wages. Good signs if political realignment is going to happen in America or its successor states, with right-wing populists joining the left-wing populist realigners against the dominant Reaganite neoliberal establishment right.

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  55. Carter was disjunctive, so he tried to wind down the New Deal (deregulating some parts of finance, trucking, and airlines), but ultimately failed (oversaw the founding of two new fed agencies -- Energy and Education).

    Couldn't gut welfare, couldn't do "take backs" on the relatively new Medicare system, let alone touch Social Security. Didn't throw the borders wide open or amnesty millions of illegals, etc. And so on and so forth.

    He was a wannabe deregulator or wannabe neoliberal -- Reagan was the real deal there, having had his way paved by Carter's abortive, sclerotic, disjunctive term.

    And that's good for Carter's legacy, that he didn't succeed. RIP, the last president of America's civilizational peak.

    I'm glad I was born during his term and not Reagan's. That allowed me to imprint on a better environment early on.

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    1. So you are just barely a Gen X-er then and not a Millennial. Another reason to be thankful at having been born then because you seem to view Millennials with great contempt.

      May I ask what you think about my comments on the New York Fiscal Crisis and Donald Rumsfeld?

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  56. I think Britain will be going down the path of the Ottomans in the next few years, with an English nationalist movement taking over the country like the Turkish nationalists did in the end of the Ottoman empire, kicking out all the British minorities (Pakistanis, Indians, Caribbean blacks, African blacks, etc) like the Turkish nationalists did with the Ottoman minorities (Greeks, Assyrians, Armenians, Jews, etc), while the fringe of Britain (Northern Ireland, Scotland, etc.) secede from Britain like the fringe of the Ottoman Empire did (Arabs, Levant, Balkans, etc.), all leading to the English nationalists abolishing the British monarchy and established religion in favor of a secular English republic like the Turkish nationalists did under Ataturk.

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  57. One final fansong for the road, to the tune of the Mary Tyler Moore Show's theme, "Love Is All Around" by Sonny Curtis:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c1-S21arfg

    Thank you for lurking these ruins of the blogosphere, in your unquenchable quest for quirk.

    Luv the kirin. ^_^

    * * *

    Who can spark a thousand fanart files?

    Who can take a scuffed up game,
    And serve up virtual chamomile?

    Well it's you, green, and that's no coping
    With each bantz and every ara-ara, we're hoping

    Buffs are all around, no nerf could break it
    Life's a kamige, why don't you play it?

    You're gonna make it on your alt
    You're gonna make it on your alt

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  58. I grew up / went to school with other late X-ers who were slightly older than me, but also with the early Millennials who were slightly younger than me. But I do exhibit the sincerity of Gen X rather than the irony-poisoning of Millennials. Irony was a minority / avant-garde thing in Gen X, whereas it's the well-paved default lane for Millennials.

    Some in my cohort tried to carve this out as a mini-generation unto itself -- Gen Y, the My So-Called Life Generation (uber-sincere, one of the last TV shows where every episode was A Very Special Episode), etc. But that's an obvious cope. Generations last for 10-15-20 years, not 3 or 4 years.

    I don't know exactly where early Millennials begin, but it's not 1980, and Jimmy Carter's presidency is just a convenient boundary marker for a somewhat, but not super, blurry boundary.

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  59. The peripheral British Isle groups are still British, though, including the Irish (notwithstanding their cope and war of independence). They're just non-standard British sub-groups. And so, they're similar to eastern Anatolia -- not the Kurds, who are ethnically distinct, but the other Turkish groups there.

    Ottoman ethnogenesis is centered around Istanbul and NW Anatolia and even Thrace in SE Europe, where the Turkic invaders faced off against the Byzantines of Constantinople. The further to the east and south that you go in Anatolia, the less standard the culture is. In fact, it has been that way with just about every empire than came from Anatolia, including the Byzantines.

    As it happens, the current Turkish leader Erdogan's family is from that non-standard cultural region, namely in the Adjara region of Georgia, bordering on eastern Turkey, in the SE corner of the Black Sea. Erdogan himself was born and raised in Istanbul, though.

    The Levantines, Egyptians, Mesopotamians, North Africans (except Morocco, which the Ottomans never conquered), were ethnically distinct from the Ottomans who conquered them. So that would be the former non-British subjects of the British Empire, like South Asians, Caribbeans, and so on.

    Greece and much of the Balkans was conquered by the Ottomans, so Greeks being transferred out of Turkey is a case of a former subject people being sent back -- like South Asians being sent out of Britain.

    Anyway, the point is, if Britain follows Turkey's path, it'll involve sending back foreigners, while keeping other Brits in the same polity or in its orbit / sphere of influence.

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  60. On the topic of Ataturk and the Young Turks and imperial collapse, they're a perfect example of the heritage-hating iconoclasm that attends the stagnating and collapsing stage of the imperial lifespan.

    Very clueless people think that the Young Turks accomplished a policy of "Ottomania for the Ottomans", and envision a counterpart in the collapsing American Empire that would be "America for the Americans".

    Except the Young Turks, and Ataturk himself, erased nearly everything about Ottoman ethnogenesis. So they were NOT preserving Ottoman culture and ethnicity, just within a shrunken polity and pertaining to a smaller core population.

    They did keep the Turkish language in the abstract, which was central to Ottoman ethnogenesis, as Turkish had replaced Greek as the common language of Anatolians and Thracians.

    However, they abandoned the Arabic-derived script in favor of a Latin-derived script. That is erasing their Ottoman heritage, embracing something new and even antithetical to their Ottoman heritage.

    They sought to purge their language of words of Arabic or Farsi origin, in favor of "Western" language terms. Arabic is not Turkic, neither is Farsi, but they are both more central to Ottoman ethnogenesis, cuz that's who the Turks who migrated westward over Iran and Mesopotamia and into Anatolia, picked up a lot of their vocabulary from -- whether it was of a religious / Muslim nature, or secular terms based on trade, agriculture, etc.

    There is a clear Arabic and Farsi / Persian substrate to Ottoman culture -- vs. very little Western European substrate to it (other than the very deep ancient roots that Anatolians share with Europe due to being descended from an Indo-European source).

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  61. They kept practicing Sunni Islam of the Hanafi school, but their society became thoroughly secularized, and elevated the non-religious military rather than the religious institutions like the clerics and madrassas. Of course the Ottomans were a military society, but they were also a very religious society, with their distinctive architecture mostly being religious, like mosques, more than secular buildings like palaces for political leaders.

    Ottoman sultans played a religious role -- like other empires of the Early Modern period, they were divinely appointed and responsible only to Allah / God himself, and were the executors of his will on Earth. Turkish presidents do not play either half of this religious role.

    Personal appearance, national folk costume, etc. took on a non-Ottoman look with the Young Turks -- not just "something new, something non-Ottoman" but anti-Ottoman, imitating the national costume of the rival empires of the Ottomans, mainly Christian Western Europe.

    Where's the turban or other kinds of cloth headscarves / wrappings? They promoted the older, pre-Ottoman headdress of the fez or the brimless wool / fur cap that is common across the Indo-European world, but their version looks like the Caucasus version. That choice was reversing or undo-ing the entirety of Ottoman ethnogenesis, pretending it never happened.

    Same with shaving their beards, in favor of a clean-shaven or at most a mustache. Same with wearing Western Euro suits instead of the more drape-y robe-y tunic-y harem pants-y costume of the Ottomans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_clothing

    Some of these heritage-hating, iconoclastic, anti-Ottoman changes in clothing began before the Young Turks, namely during the period of Tanzimat -- reorganization, modernization, reforms, etc., imitating Western Euro norms, that began in the 1840s, during the early stage of Ottoman fragmentation and collapse.

    Greece had just split off in a war of independence, so this was clearly the beginning of the Ottomans' collapsing stage, nearly 100 years ahead of the other Euro empires, except Spain, which also began collapsing in the early 1800s rather than in WWI (all those Latin American wars of independence from the early 1800s, occupation by Napoleonic France, etc.).

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  62. I don't know the full extent of this anti-Ottoman iconoclasm, since I don't know how it affected their food culture, or their sports culture, or other elements of culture. But it's clear from these major examples alone, that as their empire entered its collapsing stage, the elites began purging their culture of what they considered embarrassing relics of their former imperial heyday -- a cope, cuz the current elites were incapable of maintaining such an elevated and successful expanding state.

    So rather than maintain Ottoman culture, and praise it as their heyday, which they were no longer capable of creating new example of, but would at least preserve the existing examples of -- they just said, fuck it, let's blow up our Ottoman ethnicity and create / adopt an entirely new group identity that will be Turkish, not Ottoman.

    They didn't go full iconoclasm -- they didn't blow up the Hagia Sophia, or the Blue Mosque, or Topkapi Palace. But there was still a clearly iconoclastic, heritage-destroying movement to their culture once fragmentation / collapse began. And that remains to this day -- see the gallery of Turkish architecture from the post-WWI era onward:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Turkey#1920s_to_early_1930s:_First_national_architectural_movement

    In the 1920s, the new national style still preserved distinctive elements of Ottoman styles, while mixing with some new elements from Western Europe. Still looks pretty Ottoman to me, especially the Ethnography Museum of Ankara.

    But during the 1930s and after, they drop the Ottoman influences altogether, and join the Modernist style, which was born in America (Chicago) around the turn of the century. Well into the 21st century, they are still imitating the decadent strands of Modernism, like glass and steel boxes / skyscrapers.

    So, one cheer for not blowing up their existing Ottoman buildings -- but they made a decisive break with their heritage when creating new buildings, which look nothing like their glorious Ottoman heritage.

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  63. What's the relevance to today's collapsing American Empire and the fate of its culture? Well, we see from the Ottoman case that America is far from the only empire in world history to see its elites go on a heritage-hating iconoclastic purge of its imperial heyday culture, to replace it with something not just different but ANTITHETICAL to it, while pretending that whole centuries of ethnogenesis simply did not take place, and looking to supersede it as an embarrassing backward relic culture.

    And we also see that, if there is a Tanzimat or Young Turk movement in the collapsing American Empire, it will do the same -- it will not be "preserving American culture" or keeping the spirit of classic / iconic Americana alive. It will erase, cover up, and slander that heyday culture as an embarrassing backward relic.

    It may or may not destroy extant examples of that culture -- although judging from our architecture, that is very much on the table -- but it will definitely NOT be creating any new examples in that fully mature style. It will adopt something that is not just new and different, but antithetical to classic Americana.

    The post-Ottoman purge of Ottoman ethnogenesis had two seemingly contradictory, but actually compatible collaborating, tendencies. One was to RETVRN to a pre-Ottoman culture, like the fez or those brimless wool hats that have been around since Indo-European times. The other was to adopt contemporary foreign influences, which is seemingly opposed to the first -- Western Europe is not an ancient substrate in Anatolian culture. And contempo / modern Western Europe is also not trad in the temporal dimension -- it's novel, not trad.

    And yet, both of those tendencies joined hands in order to purge Ottoman culture, which is spatially and temporally bounded -- roughly, NW Anatolia / Thrace, from the 15th to the 18th centuries. That's a long time! It produced a fully mature, elaborated national / imperial culture.

    But that gives the purgers two different ways to destroy it -- RETVRN to before ethnogenesis began, or fast-forward to what's going on after it became mature, and from any location outside of the land that produced the imperial culture.

    In America, the RETVRN / trad tendency got going already during the 1980s, with Postmodernism in architecture -- trying to both supersede 20th-century styles, which define us, via glass-and-steel boxes, as well as throwing in pre-American styles (Greek columns) as lazy historical AlLuSiOnS.

    By the 2010s, this iconoclastic tendency took on fervant, zealous crusader levels, both the trad side and the light-airy-open glass box side, linking arms to level the entire ethnogenesis of America in building styles.

    It could take on the same horseshoe assault in other domains -- making high school literature curricula based on Ancient Greece and 21st-century American young adult, while erasing the late 19th through late 20th century books, movies, TV shows, etc., that define American narrative culture. Ancient Greek sculpture, Renaissance painting, plus 21st-century woketard video game slop, for the visual art curriculum -- while erasing 20th-century movies, illustrations of all kinds, Wright-through-Brutalist architecture, and all the other stuff that defines us as Americans.

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  64. And of course, American Young Turks would RETVRN to open-air markets like the Ancient Roman forum, along with 21st-century online commerce, but erase and bulldoze the malls, which define American culture in both retail and to a large extent architecture as a whole (since the mercantile sector has been our major patron in architecture, not the religious sector).

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  65. In conclusion, the Young Turks, and their Tanzimat predecessors, were not cultural preservationists -- they were zealous iconoclasts, embarrassed by and resentful toward their own cultural heritage.

    And their counterparts in the collapsing American Empire are the tradtard-woketard alliance, equally iconoclastic, equally embarrassed by and resentful toward our own defining cultural heritage, namely the 20th century, especially the Midcentury (boo hiss too modern, and boo hiss too backward / not truly progressive).

    The Young Turks may have had a nationalist political agenda -- Turkey for the Turks -- and soon enough, so will their American counterparts -- America for the Americans.

    But they were not cultural preservationists, rather the exact opposite. As they wound down the polity of their empire, from an empire into a nation-state, they unwound their culture from that same defining period, from Ottoman to post-Ottoman and even anti-Ottoman.

    I've never seen a historical example so widely interpreted in an ass-backwards way in ThE dIsCouRsE, as the Young Turks and their supposed nationalism -- politically, yes, but culturally, the opposite, heritage-hating iconoclasm.

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  66. The original "Iconoclasm" took place in the Byzantine Dark Ages in the very empire that would later be the seat of the Ottoman Empire:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Iconoclasm

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  67. What did Russian iconoclasm look like?

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  68. Crucially, Byzantine iconoclasm erupted during their collapsing stage, in the mid-700s and again in the mid-800s.

    At its greatest territorial expanse and cultural influence, the Byzantine Empire rivaled the Roman Empire, uniting the Mediterranean, and some of the inland regions as well.

    For example, in post-Roman Italy, the Byzantines reconquered the peninsula in the mid-500s under Justinian I, and he appointed the three popes after his victory. The secular / military control of Italy was administered via the Exarchate of Ravenna, and its leader appointed the so-called "Greek popes" from that point onward... until the mid-700s, when both the Exarchate of Ravenna ended, and with it, the so-called Byzantine Papacy, which returned to Italian Papal State control (whereas political control over much of the North, where Ravenna is located, fell to the invading Germanic people).

    And that's just the northern / Euro side of the Byzantine Empire -- forget about the southern / Saharo-Arabian side. The Arabian Empire had already conquered Mesopotamia, the Levant, and Egypt from the Byzantines by the mid-600s, and took the Maghreb by the early 700s.

    So by the time Byzantine iconoclasm erupted, the empire had been severely reduced in size, in military prestige -- losing to nomadic desert Arabians that nobody had even heard of before -- and cultural influence, as Islam gained at the expense of Christianity (however slowly, at this point).

    Losing their control and influence over the former seat of the Roman Empire by the mid-700s only added insult to injury. At that point, the empire was shrunken to just Anatolia and the Balkans. Their glory days were long gone.

    It doesn't matter that it took a few centuries more for their total disappearance -- first losing much of Anatolia to the Seljuk Turks in 1071, then getting decimated by their "fellow Christians" / nomadic Western Euro warlord Fourth Crusaders in the Sack of Constantinople in 1204, and finally with their capital falling to the Ottoman Turks in 1453. That's just their capital city falling -- their empire had begun collapsing in the 7th and 8th centuries, shrinking to a sliver of what it was during its imperial heyday.

    Those are the conditions for heritage-hating iconoclasm, not during its initial expanse or peak / maximum / plateau.

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  69. Clueless analysis attributes Byzantine iconoclasm to Arabian / Muslim influence, which was on the rise for the previous century. But empires don't imitate their nemeses or bitter rivals -- they would've just converted to Islam, adopted Arabic or at least its alphabet, and gotten it over with.

    And Arabian imperial antipathy to divine likenesses was there from the outset -- something that goes back to Semitic monotheism of Classical times (like the Second Temple Judaic commandment against creating graven images of the divine, let alone worshiping / serving them). Not present among Semitic cultures of pre-Classical times -- Babylonians, Assyrians, etc., all were fine with them. So were their Saharo-Arabian cousins in Egypt, making likenesses of their gods. It's that Classical-era Semitic monotheism that started the whole "no divine likenesses" trend.

    But that's not heritage-hating iconoclasm, when it's coming from Semitic monotheists like the Arabian Muslims. They began that way -- they're not destroying what has defined them since their ethnogenesis.

    In the Byzantine context, it's totally heritage-hating iconoclasm -- when anyone outside of their culture thinks of "Byzantine culture," they're probably thinking about "those distinctly Byzantine icons"! Imagine going on a psychotic zealous crusade to destroy the most renowned cultural creation of your empire!

    Well, when the empire is collapsing, those renowned things are just embarrassing reminders for the current elites, who can't measure up to their predecessors from the heyday. So rather than humbly accept that they are inferior, but grateful to be handed such a treasure as present-day custodians and stewards -- why don't we just blow it all up, so we aren't reminded of our inferiority?

    Iconoclastic scum cannot be eradicated soon enough, for the protection of their culture's sacred heritage.

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    1. Yes, I hold a particular distain for austere, beauty-hating iconoclastic types of all kinds be they post-Edict of Thessaloniki (380) Christian emperors, Byzantine iconoclasts, Puritan ultra-Calvinist types, hardcore Communists (like Maoists), Islamic Salafists/Deobandis, and radical feminists!

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  70. To reiterate, empires go through an excitable system trajectory, akin to your neurons firing, or sexual arousal, or working out at the gym. It starts from a neutral baseline, gets excited, goes on a soaring spike, then not only declines -- but plummets into negative levels (a refractory period), where excitation is not even possible, until it recovers back to the neutral baseline.

    The empire is built by cohesion (asabiya), and it is undone by the fraying of its social fabric. But this cohesion doesn't merely go from a high positive level to 0 -- it plummets into negative levels for a long time, a refractory period, where cohesion is not even possible. Attempts at cohesion feel painful and are rejected, in fact.

    So it looks like an auto-immune disease, where cells of the same organism treat each other as foreign rather than self. Maybe they simply refuse to cooperate, and languish -- but even more likely, they actively go to war against each other.

    This is the downside, after the imperial upside. It's not just a decline, it's a hangover, a refractory period, etc. And on the time-scale of empires, it lasts a long time in human years or generations. Decades at least, perhaps centuries, until they can cohere again under a new threat of a new meta-ethnic nemesis.

    If a society does not go on the soaring spike, they are not subjected to the refractory period hangover crash afterward -- they don't go on heritage-hating iconoclastic crusades against the best of their past culture, in a warped kind of auto-immune disease.

    I've mentioned Scandinavia -- at least, well after the collapse of the Viking Empire in the early 2nd millennium -- Glorious Nippon, and the Venetian Republic as examples of expanding states that became regional great powers, yet didn't quite reach the imperial level. Typically cuz they were expanding in a vacuum, or when their neighbors were mired in a post-imperial hangover, like Japan expanding at the expense of China after the collapse of the Qing Empire. Once they met real imperial powers, they get checked, go back to lower scales, and avoid both the imperial spike -- as well as the post-spike hangover.

    That's why the Japanese, unlike the Turkish, have not totally abandoned their pre-20th-century clothing, architecture, writing system, art styles, and so on. In fact, they celebrate them regularly throughout the year! Even in new-fangled new media like vtubers -- the Hololive girls have special New Year's outfits that are traditional Japanese robe-based costumes, not Western at all. Those clothes are fun and exciting, not an embarrassing relic! They love their heritage, they don't hate it.

    They did want to modernize economically, and be able to interact somewhat with Western Euro societies -- but that doesn't mean demolish and erase everything about your proud cultural heritage, which is what the Young Turks and even the Tanzimat movements did in the collapsing Ottoman Empire. Japan never reached an imperial peak, so they have not plunged into a post-spike hangover. Lucky for them!

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  71. It's heartwarming to see Hololive preserve Japan's Buddhist roots, even if it's in a comedic way -- it's not making fun of Buddhism to hate on it or be iconoclastic, but as a way to acknowledge and honor their Buddhist roots while also making it funny and entertaining.

    During their New Year's countdown show, there was a huge Buddha-like statue with the head made in the likeness of Hololive's co-founder and CEO, Yagoo.

    And for the New Year, the Koronator played the role of Amanyo -- a celestial maiden, which functions like a saint in Christianity, an intermediary between the purely divine and purely earthly realms -- asking her audience to confess their earthly desires (bonnou), so that she could take them away, and let them enter the new year in a more pure state.

    Of course that led to some comedic commentary from her about the various earthly desires of her audience... and Korone is a no-BS, high-energy, cursing kind of streamer. So her playing the role of a stoic saint who will remove the earthly desires of others, is humorous in itself. Similar to Marine, the most horny of the Hololive girls, playing the role of a Christian nun, Sister Marine.

    Earlier, for the festival of Tanabata, Korone played this role of Amanyo by asking her audience to submit their wishes, which she might grant on that special holiday. Again, it was for humor -- commenting on their wishes, how realistic they were, teasing them about maybe granting them or maybe not, and so on.

    I mention these efforts to preserve Buddhist influences in modern, contemporary, new media in Japan, because the Meiji Restoration went on something of a crusade against their heritage, namely Buddhism, which was present during their expansion as a regional great power -- mainly within the Japanese islands, against their meta-ethnic nemeses, the Emishi and then the Ainu. But later their East Asian neighbors like Korea and China.

    To foreigners, Buddhism is one of the most fundamental cultural facets of Japan -- and yet lots of Japanese in the modern era try to downplay it or erase it. They do not have a zealous, psychotic hatred of it, and there are still tons of Buddhist shrines, and Buddhist statues all over Japan -- not just of Buddha himself, but saintly figures below him like Jizo. But, Japan in the Meiji era and after has tried to reduce Buddhism's influence.

    So, seeing a new-fangled medium like vtubers preserve and honor Japan's Buddhist past, albeit in a comical way, is good for striking a balance and harmony between their heritage and their present -- avoiding the heritage-hating iconoclasm of collapsing empires like current America.

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  72. It's perhaps worth noting that the expanding culture of the Classical Greeks actually sacrificed ugly people on a regular basis:

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-ancient-greeks-sacrificed-ugly-people

    Definitely not iconoclastic beauty-hating one sees in a declining culture..

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  73. Very sad attempt at conflating "heritage-hating" with "beauty-hating" and "austere-loving". But then, you're a Canadian, so this tired bowtie cuckservative Euro LARP-ing is hardly surprising. Do you also view spelling "color" the British way as upholding Western civilization, and spelling it the American way as a terminal cultural decline? Get real.

    Heritage means whatever has defined a people during their ethnogenesis, whether it's austere or florid.

    And beauty does not reduce to "encrusted surfaces," which is all you tradwad types ever mean by "beauty".

    And aesthetics do no reduce to beauty alone -- you tradwads always ignore the sublime, despite your Anglo conservative patron saint, Edmund Burke, championing Kant's inclusion of both the beautiful and the sublime in his aesthetic model.

    You tradtards' homework assignment is to never speak about aesthetics again, until you read Kant's Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and Sublime. It's short, only 124 pages in English. Not complicated or obscurantist or whatever else Kant became known for later on. It's an early work, easy to read with no background in philosophy. I read it and understood it in my 20s -- it's not rocket science, or something you need decades of knowledge to draw upon.

    As it turns out, he devotes an entire section to sex differences in the appeal of the beautiful vs. the sublime -- which you'd think would appeal to present-day cuckservatives, who love ranting about how feminazis have taken over Western civilization, instead of men being equally to blame for the egocentric divorce epidemic of the '70s.

    The reason you cucks never refer to this work, despite that sex diff angle, is that even a nerdy spergy guy like Kant is calling you guys effeminate crypto-flamers for obsessing over the beautiful so much, to the exclusion of the sublime. Women respond more to the beautiful, men more to the sublime. Very obvious.

    But for tradtards whose ideal is 18th-century French noblemen who wore silk stockings, high heels, powdered faces, and elaborate wigs -- it's no surprise that you'd want to cover up all discussion of the sublime, and its different appeal to the sexes.

    Also, imagine trying to poo-poo the Hagia Sophia cuz it was built after 380, as some ugly austere beauty-hating eyesore. Remember:

    >you will never be European

    You only embarrass yourselves when you get treadmill-locked into these online status contests over who can cuck the hardest for tradwad updoots.

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  74. Steve Sailer appreciates Burke and Kant on the sublime, and works that into his survey of golf course architecture -- too beautiful just doesn't appeal to men, who created golf. There has to be some natural menacing danger, like cliffs or precipices, wild untamed grass and wooded areas in some parts, and so on.

    But he's unusual among conservative cultural commentators, and despite his one-man effort to masculinize and Americanize the conservative movement, they just can't help being LARP-ers of 18th-century French noblemen. Sad.

    Jesus, even mini-golf architecture tries to incorporate these natural dangers or threats into their courses. Highly textured irregular caves, waterfalls, narrow rickety bridges, intimidating monument-sized obstacles, etc.

    Little boys have more based aesthetics than supposedly mature tradwads! xD

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  75. Anyway, now onto the heritage-hating iconoclasm of the Vikings during their collapsing stage. Again, the point is to draw some general picture of the imperial lifespan, and to emphasize that the American Empire is totally expected to begin a heritage-hating iconoclastic crusade during its collapsing stage.

    It is NOT unique in this, not within the West, Christendom -- or even Dark Age pagan empires, like the Vikings. This happens every single time, in every single place, where an empire goes through the expansion and plateau stages, and then plummets into the refractory period hangover stage.

    So, please, no whining about how history-shatteringly deviant our American heritage-hating iconoclasm is. Such a phenomenon *adheres to* the laws of history, it doesn't deviate from history.

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  76. Over the past year or so, I've become the single most insightful voice into the nature of the Viking Empire as an empire, i.e. how its example fits into the broader picture of empires. It's far from my main interest, but the Vikings are so alien to most of the commentators, that they can't treat them naturalistically -- they're just this weird group of savage raiders who came out of nowhere and then almost just as quickly disappeared into the ether.

    You, meaning I, can piece together the true picture from the work of others -- I have done no original document-based, original source research. Someone else figured out the history of the loss of the case system, and synthetic morphology generally, within the North Germanic languages, and which ones lost it more than which others.

    I simply highlighted those patterns as conforming to the general pattern of imperial growth -- namely, that with tons of L2 learners due to its use by the conquered subjects of the expanders, the opaque elements of an imperial langua franca must fall by the wayside. In synthetic languages that means their case system and all sorts of other inflectional elements, will vanish.

    The timing also fits with the Viking Empire -- only after it spread over various non-Norse-speaking cultures, did it start to lose its inflection. And presto -- Danish and Swedish no longer have tons of inflection, and have not had them for many centuries. Ditto for English, and for the same reasons -- the English began expanding, lots of L2 learners had to pick it up, and presto -- English has been almost as analytic as Mandarin (another imperial language) for many centuries, and its morphology is among the easiest in the world to pick up.

    Norse languages that did not expand to include tons of L2 learners, like the isolated Icelandic language, have retained the high level of inflection that pre-imperial Old Norse used to have, right up to the present day. Learning Icelandic, even for fellow North Germanic speakers like Swedes, is possible, but plagued by all sorts of opaque features like the case system -- akin to a French speaker trying to learn Latin.

    I'm reiterating this facet of Viking imperial culture just to show one contribution I've made that was not appreciated, despite the Vikings being one of the most well known -- but not well understood -- societies in all of human history. I'm just looking at how they fit into the broad imperial patterns that I've already seen in other cases. They're not exotic to me, either as a menace or as an object of D&D LARP-ing.

    So unlike the case of the Ottomans or Byzantines, I'm going to review a little more of their history as an empire, since the origin / growth / expansion of those other two empires is pretty well understood, assuming you know about them to begin with.

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  77. The meta-ethnic nemesis that spawned the Viking Empire was the Frankish Empire, which began expanding to the north and east, into Saxony, during the late 8th C, finally conquering and converting them from Germanic paganism to Christianity in 804.

    The Franks were Christian, the Vikings were Germanic pagans. The Franks spoke a Romance language, the Vikings spoke a Germanic language. The Franks were a fairly sedentary society with lots of hierarchy, the Vikings were more pastoralist and semi-nomadic and had far less hierarchy. In all sorts of ways, they were alien to each other, and one was expanding toward the other, having already made an example out of the Vikings' Saxon cousins to the south. This created a meta-ethnic frontier between Frankish-dominated Saxony and Scandinavia.

    Just as China built their Great Wall to keep out the invading Steppe nomads, the Danes immediately built the Danevirke, a massive earthwork barrier in the southern Jutland Peninsula, to fortify their frontier against the invading Franks. The Danes took preserving their political and cultural autonomy very seriously, after seeing what happened to the Saxons.

    The hostile, enduring presence of a meta-ethnic nemesis on their frontier forced the Danes, and later other Viking groups, to cohere closely as a people, to withstand the invasion. Suddenly, their cohesion began to rise, leading to higher levels of social complexity.

    However, as always, there was an integrative civil war between two factions -- one that wanted to submit to the meta-ethnic nemesis as vassals in order to avoid too much loss of life and treasure in warfare, and the other that wanted to unify more and more and do some violent expanding of their own against the nemesis. This Viking civil war took place during the early 9th C, with the traitor faction being exemplified by Harald Klak Halfdansson, who not only accepted an alliance with the Frankish king Louis the Pious, but also accepted baptism and conversion to Christianity, matching political vassalage with cultural vassalage.

    But, also as always, the traitor faction lost, while the "unify more and expand" faction won, led by Horik I, who went on to turn the tables on the Franks by raiding *them* rather than the other way around -- and not just in the Frankish-controlled land of Saxony next-door to Denmark, but sending raiding parties deep into their empire, up the Seine River and into Paris. As well as refusing political vassalage, he refused cultural vassalage, and never converted to Christianity, keeping his society staunchly Germanic pagan. This resolution of the integrative civil war and turn toward expansion happened during the mid-9th C.

    With the integrative civil war stage having been concluded, it was full-steam ahead for the unchecked, ultra-cohesive, fearsome expansion that empires are most famous for, like the Roman conquest of their meta-ethnic nemesis in Gaul, toward the end / shortly after their integrative civil war of the 1st C BC, and their subsequent domination of the entire Mediterranean.

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  78. Nomadic empires, held together by tribal confederations, like the seafaring Vikings -- or the various horse-mounted Steppe empires -- tend to have shorter lifespans than sedentary or at least semi-sedentary ones, like the Roman, Russian, French, etc. The expansion phase lasted roughly 150 years, peaking before 1000. Around that time, they faced territorial setbacks all over the place, indicating that they were going into decline, if not full-on collapse right away.

    In 974, the successor polity to the Frankish Empire in Saxony, the Holy Roman Empire, led by Otto II, defeated a rebellion by the Viking king Harald Bluetooth, managing to push through the Danevirke, and clawing back some of the southern Jutland for the Frankish-related side of the frontier. Harald Bluetooth converted to Christianity, matching a cultural with a political loss, although the Viking elites (or commoners) broadly did not convert yet.

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  79. In the lands of West Francia (which later became France), the story is a little more convoluted. Vikings last successfully laid siege to Paris in 886, but then laid siege to nearby Chartres in 911.

    The Franks won, and struck a compromise with the invading Viking leader, Rollo -- he and his band would be granted Normandy, in NW France, as a containment zone, in exchange for not raiding NE France, where the newly growing French Empire was forming (as a response to their meta-ethnic nemesis, the Vikings). Rollo and the Normans who succeeded him also had to prevent Viking attacks that entered through the Seine River, to avoid raids into Paris like they'd seen in the previous century.

    In addition, Rollo and the Normans had to convert to Christianity, pay homage to the Frankish king, sedentarize their lifestyles -- no more seaborne nomadic raiding -- although they could keep some of their Norse customs involving marriage ceremonies and the like. They would also have to start speaking a Romance language, to assimilate better into the Frankish realm.

    By the late 900s, the Dukes of Normandy helped to raise Hugh Capet to become the new King of France, founding the Capetian dynasty that began the growth of the French Empire. Hugh was from NE France, no Viking blood, was ruling from Paris in NE France, and was descended from those who fought off the Viking raids of Paris in the previous century (the Robertian dynasty). So that's another milestone in the waning influence of the Vikings in France -- their genetic, but not-so-much cultural, descendants helping to elevate the descendant of the anti-Viking Counts of Paris.

    Another milestone was when William, Duke of Normandy entered England in 1066 and finally dislodged the last Viking-affiliated ruler of England, Harold Godwinson. We'll get to that event's significance for Viking rule in England in a second. But first, it was also a milestone for Viking rule in France -- a Duke of Normandy fought to end the rule of a Viking king. A Norman proved his anti-Viking bona fides in 1066, reflecting how little remained in Normandy of the original Viking culture brought by Rollo (from whom William was descended).

    Less than a century later, in 1144, even the residual traces of Viking control in France were wiped out -- when Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou, conquered Normandy. He was not descended from Vikings at all, but from Franks (albeit a different line from the Capetians in Paris). That ended Norman rule in Normandy, which joined the growing Angevin sphere -- until it was ceded to the Capetians from Paris in 1214, following Angevin defeat by French King Philip II Augustus. That really brought Viking influence in France to a close, since Philip Augustus was descended from the same Robertian line as his ancestor Hugh, the ones who fought against the Viking raids of the 9th century, rather than try to bribe them and submit.

    I favor the 1066 date for the end of Viking influence in France, since the Duke of Normandy going to war to end Viking rule, albeit in a different country, proved that the Normans were no long pro-Viking but had changed into their own new group, heavily assimilating into the West Francian realm that was the meta-ethnic nemesis motivating the growth of the Viking Empire way back when.

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  80. As for Viking decline in England, I agree with the received wisdom of the 1066 date -- but for opposite reasons. Most historians are still delusional about Harold Godwinson being an Anglo-Saxon king, rather than his mother being a Danish Viking dynast, related to the sitting King of Denmark. Harold is a Norse name, not Anglo-Saxon name.

    And his father, Godwin, bore the title of Earl -- a Norse-based title, cognate with Jarl, not an Anglo-Saxon title like Ealdorman. Godwin, Earl of Wessex, only received that title by being appointed to it by the reigning Danish Viking king in England, Cnut the Great, after Godwin betrayed his Anglo-Saxon people by siding with Cnut in battle.

    But Godwin was only the latest in a long string of low-ranking Anglo-Saxon strivers who sought to marry into the mighty Viking dynasties that ruled England as their bitch in the centuries after the invasion of the Great Heathen Army. The first was Aethelred the Unready, who did not come from Viking blood, but did marry into it -- way back in 978 -- via Emma of Normandy, who was not only descended from Rollo, the Viking raider who founded Normandy, on her father's side, but her mother was Gunnor, a Danish Viking noblewoman.

    So the honor of being the last Anglo-Saxon king untainted by Viking rule, either by his own blood ancestors, or by marrying into the Viking dynasties, was Edward the Martyr, who briefly reigned as a minor before being killed by his wicked stepmother, Queen Aelfthryth, in 978, so that her own son, Aethelred the Unready, could be installed as king instead.

    I provided the deepest dive into the nature of Anglo-Saxon vassalage to the Vikings during the Danelaw era, right up to and including Harold Godwinson, in a series of comments in October, beginning with this one and the next one after it:

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2024/10/halloween-mega-post-thread-horror.html?showComment=1729530777999#c2633339338604848098

    And then really going into the details here and afterward:

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2024/10/halloween-mega-post-thread-horror.html?showComment=1729702999264#c8530104899090832977

    And more on the English welcoming cultural imports from the Normans, while not incorporating much or any of Viking culture (since they were the meta-ethnic nemesis of the English):

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2024/10/halloween-mega-post-thread-horror.html?showComment=1729711344178#c2779227033710788134

    Of course, centuries of English boys were named after Normans like William and Henry -- not after Norsemen like Cnut and Harold (which was only revived for English babies during the 19th or 20th centuries, as part of the Romantic era's fascination with the Vikings, e.g. Wagnerian opera). The Normans of 1066 were not Vikings -- they were the descendants of Vikings who had assimilated into West Francia, and proved their anti-Viking bona fides by liberating England of Viking-affiliated rulers once and for all, by killing Norse-named Harold Godwinson.

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  81. The conventional wisdom about 1066 being the end of Viking rule in England is that Harold Godwinson, just before being killed by the Norman invaders, defeated an attempted invasion by the King of Norway, Harald Hardrada, who was conspiring with Harold Godwinson's own brother, Tostig Godwinson. Just listen to their names -- Harold and Tostig -- how much more purely Anglo-Saxon and definitely-not-Norse can you get?! Plus the failed invasion was literal Harold vs. Harald violence!

    Harald Hardrada also tried for a long time yet failed to take over the Danish throne.

    By the mid-11th century, all sorts of internal dynastic disputes were plaguing the Viking Empire, representing a distintegrative civil war, not an integrative one like that of the early 9th C that brought the Vikings together against the Franks.

    It is in that context that Harold Godwinson defeating Harald Hardrada must be seen -- part of a Viking civil war that disintegrated their once sprawling empire.

    But just cuz Harold Godwinson prevented the Norwegian Viking king from taking over England, doesn't mean that's the end of Viking rule in England, since Harold himself belonged to the ruling dynasty in Viking Denmark, through his mother, Gytha Thorkelsdottir (how's that for an all-too-Anglo name?).

    Harold did marry an Anglo-Saxon for his queen (Edith of Mercia), so maybe he was starting to move away from Viking dynasties and perhaps intended to re-Ango-Saxonify England? Bzzt, wrong! He gave his children predominantly Norse names like Magnus, Ulf, Gytha, Gunhild, and Harold. He was still intent on Norse-ifying England, not re-Anglo-fying it away from the Danelaw Vikings.

    Only with the arrival of the anti-Viking Norman, William the Conqueror, was England finally liberated from Viking dynastic rule, when he killed Norse-named Danish Viking dynast Harold Godwinson.

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  82. In the eastern branch of Viking influence, a convenient date for their decline is the reign of Vladimir the Great, who reigned as Grand Prince of Kiev in the late 10th and early 11th centuries. He adopted Christianity and began its spread among the Eastern Slavs. Given the staunchly pagan nature of Viking culture, this was a decisive blow to their influence in the east.

    And this is true regardless of Vladimir's descent. There was no real Rurik, a Viking from Scandinavia who began the so-called Rurikid dynasty -- I covered this founding myth in the same comment section as the link I provided for the Viking era in England, just Ctrl+F Rurik on the same page. But even if there was (and there wasn't), Vladimir represented the reversal and erasure of Viking culture in the east, centered in Kiev.

    Further to the south, there was the Varangian Guard -- the elite military guards for the Byzantine Emperor. Unlike Rurik, they were real, and they were almost entirely Norse mercenaries for their first 100 years, beginning in the late 10th C. However, by the late 11th C, they began to be recruited instead from Anglo-Saxon soldiers! So, after the Anglo-Saxons kicked out the Vikings, with the help of William the Conqueror ridding them of Harold Godwinson, the Anglo-Saxons also kicked the Vikings out of the Varangian Guard on the other side of the continent, among a highly politically influential military unit.

    The previously mentioned Norwegian king who failed to invade England, Harald Hardrada, had earlier in the century been a prominent member of the Varangian Guard in Constantinople. Vikings truly did get around during their nomadic imperial heyday.

    So once again we see an 11th-C date for the decline or end of Viking rule and influence in the east.

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  83. How about within Scandinavia itself? Well, we already saw the intra-Viking civil wars of the mid-11th C, and that only continued into the following centuries. The big milestones are the arrival of a king who is zealously Christian, making a decisive break with their Viking heritage.

    As mentioned, Harald Bluetooth was more of a proto-example of this type from the late 900s, showing some initial cracks in the Viking Empire, at least along their meta-ethnic frontier with the Franks and then the Saxons.

    The first zealous, spread-Christianity-all-around king of Denmark was Canute IV, AKA Saint Canute. That's a good sign that the Viking era is over -- when the new king is one who'll become canonized by the Catholic Church, the religious instutition allied with the Vikings' original meta-ethnic nemesis, the Frankish Empire. Saint Canute reigned in the 1080s.

    His counterpart in Norway was Saint Olaf (known by many epithets), who reigned from 1015-1024, a fair bit earlier than Saint Canute in Denmark.

    In Sweden, the counterpart to Harald Bluetooth -- an early adopter, but not the one to zealously spread the religion -- was Olof Skotkonung, who reigned from 995 to 1022. The counterpart of Saint Canute and Saint Olaf is Saint Erik, who reigned from 1156 to 1160. He not only increased the role of the Christian church within Sweden, he launched a raid (perhaps a "crusade") into Finland to attempt to forcibly convert the Finns to Christianity.

    Somewhat earlier, in 1123, there was the Kalmar Expedition by the Norwegian Christian king to forcibly convert the pagans of the Smaland region of Sweden.

    How about the founding of archdioceses of the Catholic Church, signaling the importance of the local institution, to the extent that it had some regional authority? The first was in Denmark (Lund) in 1103, then in Norway (Nidaros) in 1152, and finally in Sweden (Uppsala) in 1164.

    So clearly by the 12th C, maybe even the late 11th C, Viking control over and cultural influence in Scandinavia was in terminal decline.

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  84. That's the rough timeline for the rise and fall of the Viking Empire, just so everyone understands the timing, and the nature of who the Vikings were -- and who they arose in meta-ethnic opposition to (Frankish Christians). Tomorrow I'll look into the heritage-hating iconoclasm that stamped out Viking ethnicity from within Scandinavia itself, as the Viking Empire began collapsing.

    But the fact of its having happened should be obvious -- already by the Early Modern era, the Swedes under Gustavus Adolphus were not Vikings, even remotely. They are even less Viking today. Sometime after the Viking heyday, and before the mid-2nd millennium, Viking identity was systematically destroyed by the elites of Scandinavia itself -- since we know no foreign empires conquered them and could have then forcibly de-Viking-ified them.

    Scandinavia has never belonged to any foreign empire. Therefore, if Viking culture was stamped out, it must have been stamped out by the natives, not hostile foreigners.

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    1. This is why I don't think the British identity is going to last. The iconoclasm means that the British elites are going to be stamping the British ethnicity out of its people. We'll instead have English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish, or whatever other successor ethnic identities. Just like how we have Danish, Norwegian, Swedish today instead of the Viking ethnicity.

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  85. One final quick addendum, which I already covered last year on the evolution of Norse languages after the Viking Empire. The phonological change that happens to imperial lingua francas is that they move from away from mora-based timing, to syllable-based timing, to stress-based timing.

    Old Norse, like other Germanic languages of its time, was very mora-based, distinguishing light from heavy syllables. So did Old English.

    But something about mora-timing doesn't suit it to being a lingua franca -- maybe light vs. heavy syllables in a foreign language is too hard for L2 learners to discriminate. Maybe in their own, if they still do that -- but in a foreign language? It's a very difficult perceptual difference, and you'd have to already know the two different semantic referents that are being distinguished, in the foreign language.

    Simple solution for L2 learners -- how about we get rid of light vs. heavy syllable distinctions altogether? Great!

    There may be other phonological examples like this, where the change is to make it easy for L2 learners to pick up, due to it being an imperial lingua franca. But this is the one I noticed most extensively.

    At any rate, Norwegian, Danish, and Swedish -- and English -- are now stress-timed languages. They abandoned much of their inflection in the morpho-syntax domain, and they ditched the mora-timing for stress-timing in their phonological domain.

    Pre-imperial Greek and Roman used to have heavy vs. light syllables, which were eroded in Vulgar Latin and absent in the imperial Romance languages of French and Spanish. Italian still preserves them somewhat -- there are few or no distinctions between minimal pairs for short vs. long vowel length, but they do distinguish single from gemminate (doubled) consonants. Italian never became an imperial language like French or Italian, of course.

    Vedic Sanskrit did, and Proto-Indo-European as a whole -- not an imperial lingua franca. After the descendants of Sanskrit became imperial languages, Hindi no longer distinguishes light vs. heavy syllables.

    Today the only Indo-Euro language that distinguishes heavy vs. light syllables is Lithuanian, a Baltic language that has never been an imperial lingua franca, indeed spoken by nobody outside of Lithuania. That's the proof that the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was not an empire -- it spread nothing outside of its home-base. Nobody spoke Lithuanian in Smolensk or Kiev, and they never switched it from a mora-timed language to a syllable-timed or stress-timed language like Russian (an imperial language).

    Japanese has also remained a mora-timed language, with distinctions between short vs. long vowels, as well as single vs. gemminate consonants. That's cuz it was never an imperial language! Nobody had to learn it, outside of the Japanese! (A handful of weebs notwithstanding...)

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  86. Last addendum, cuz it's late. I clearly meant that Italian never became imperial like French or Spanish.

    Also, last year when I discovered the phonological consequences of an imperial lingua franca -- the shift from mora-timing to syllable-timing or stress-timing -- I had no explanation for it.

    I just came up with one tonight, and it makes sense, I think. Very hard to perceive short vs. long vowels, or single vs. gemminate consonants, in a foreign language. It's a very minimal difference to have to perceive, and it assumes you already know the meanings of the two words that are being distinguished by vowel length or consonant length.

    Waaayyy too complicated for an L2 learner -- please, just get rid of light vs. heavy syllables, and this pervasive headache for L2 learners just goes away immediately!

    That is definitely one of the hardest parts of Japanese phonology for foreigners to master, short vs. long vowels making a difference in meaning, and same with single vs. gemminate consonants.

    Not only is that hard to perceive when you're the L2 listener, it's just as hard to produce as an L2 speaker -- you start out comically lengthening the vowels that are long, or seizing up entirely on a gemminate consonant, for dramatic effect. It's not a smooth natural flow at all -- it's hard for the L2 speaker, and it's probably just as hard for the L1 listener to understand.

    "Yeah, I get it, you're trying to make a long vowel -- it doesn't have to last for 5 minutes! I don't have that much time to talk to you, get on with it!"

    Much easier to just eliminate light vs. heavy syllables altogether.

    Ha -- I figured it out! Without even meaning to go into this topic of language again. But that's why you need to revisit and rehearse familiar topics -- sometimes the right answer is there, but it needs to percolate for awhile before it breaks through in an unexpected "Eureka!" moment. ^_^

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  87. (Lithuanian is also the most inflected Indo-Euro language alive, another sign that it was never an imperial lingua franca, and that it had no L2 learners historically -- or even today.)

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  88. So glad I didn't vote for Blompf this time -- what a total Bataan death march of a humiliation ritual it has been for the copers, and it isn't even inauguration day yet!

    Bring in infinite Indians to replace Americans, staple a green card to every fake diploma, inject H-1B with steroids, deport only a tiny sliver of illegals, throw the borders wide open to everyone else LEGALLY...

    And now with the sad pathetic attempt to take Greenland. Newsflash to East Coast Euro-LARP-ers -- American expansion and Manifest Destiny has always been directed WESTWARD. Westward, ho! Not eastward, ho! We have never conquered any portion of Europe, Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, or even mainland East Asia despite coming at it from the right direction (westward). Only parts of island East Asia, like the Philippines and Japan and Polynesian islands.

    So even as pure fanfic, which is all it is, it's anti-American and retarded. Nobody gives a shit about Greenland -- until Trump said so, and the braindead copers instantly fell in line about how based it would be to get Greenland. No one cares -- as reality or even as fanfic.

    Cope harder, and write better fanfic.

    And prompt your AI to make better fanart.

    "Meme magic" from 2016 is utterly dead and buried by now.

    What *is* the proper American fanfic and fanart, if you wanted to LARP as a still-expanding empire -- rather than face the reality that we are fragmenting and collapsing even within the 48 contiguous states, forget outside of them?

    Westward, Pacific Ocean, South Seas, mythological significance, rooted in American core mythology AKA from the 20th century -- Mu. Somewhere, the continent or island of Mu lies shrouded in mists, or maybe it's sunken, or cleverly cloaked by advanced alien technology that has been present on Earth since millions of years ago.

    We're going to find it! We're going to settle it! We're going to learn their secrets, and bring our secrets to them! It's the beginning of our Star Trek: The Next Generation multi-cultural expansionist intergalactic future!

    We naively assumed they were just another bunch of booga-booga speaking headhunters from the Pacific Islands. But no! They were visited by ancient advanced aliens! They've even preserved some of that ancient alien technology, as part of their local version of the Pacific Island cargo cult! They may not know exactly how it works, or what its purpose is, but our top archaeologists, engineers (real, not software), and linguists will be deployed to decode its awe-inspiring secrets! We will use this ancient alien technology for the improvement of the American nation, and ultimately for the benefit of intergalactic civilization!

    De Lemuriā ad astra!

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  89. Why target Denmark of all countries for their limpdick fanfic? Cuz they're seething haters at a government that is ACTUALLY slamming its borders shut to foreigners, and re-migrating the foreigners who are already inside the borders.

    What an embarrassment to the MAGA-tards whose whole mission is, purportedly, to remove and prevent the foreign element from taking up residence in America!

    Even worse, the new realigning party in Denmark that is closing the borders and sending foreigners back -- is the Socialists! And their Prime Minister spearheading this mission is a boo hiss femoid! Not based right-wing literal homosexuals, who are in reality all cucked open-borders neoliberal Reaganite / Thatcherite faggots in Scandinavia and the Anglosphere and the broader Germanosphere.

    And they're using populist and ethnocentric reasoning to close the borders -- we have to keep Denmark for the Danes, or else our beloved Scandinavian socialist welfare state is going to collapse! That is all-important, so lesser concerns like cheap foreign labor have to be sacrificed upon the altar of the modern welfare state.

    BASED!

    Cuckservative Reaganites and Thatcherites could never!

    Bernie Sanders de-woke-ified his rhetoric over the H-1B issue, now that the worst of 2010s woketardism is over. Since all that the MAGA politicians have is rhetoric, that's all we judge Bernie on -- and he wins, hands-down!

    Actual outcomes when MAGA pols are in power -- soaring immigration, legal and illegal, as under Trump: Season One. The only anti-open borders angle they have is rhetoric and fanfic. And they ain't even writing that genre of fanfic anymore, replacing it with how we need to open the borders to infinite Indians or else America is over -- SAD.

    Yay Bernie, boo Trump!

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  90. OK, enough about that -- but this is just too embarrassing for the copers, so they really need their faces rubbed in it, like the masochist cucks that they are, as Trump, Musk, and MAGA power-holders continue to amp up their humiliation of their powerless cheerleaders.

    If it were just voters, that's not their fault -- who else were they going to vote for, except for Jill Stein or a protest vote like I did? Just cuz you voted Trump doesn't make you a braindead cocksucking bootlicking 17-D chess-fantasizing self-castrating coper, like the media cheerleaders are. Reminder: all of social media belongs to "the media".

    Hopeless voters are one thing -- slave-morality wannabe media-ite cheerleaders and ideological do-it-for-free jannies are another, and totally fair game. The latter deserve getting their faces rubbed it in, with no mercy, to reciprocate the zealotry of their delusional failed crusade.

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  91. Upcoming new post on further development of the epiphany about the phonological consequences of imperial expansion on its core lingua franca. I had to hash it out in a shower-time out-loud discourse with myself, as well as letting it percolate during my winter wonderland evening trek yesterday. But I think I've got the outline picture, with lots of crucial historical / specific details and cases.

    There was an apparent major obstacle threatening the whole thing -- Arabic being an imperial lingua franca, but retaining a "distinction" between words with long vs. short vowels, and single vs. geminate consonants. I.e., in verb forms II, III, V, and VI, not to mention other patterns that turn verbal roots into nouns, like "taalib" meaning "student".

    But I wrestled my way free from its hold! That was during the after-midnight discourse with myself out loud. Those are not really "different" meanings, since they are all related or connected meanings, derived from a single shared root, like t-l-b.

    They are the multiple shadows cast from a single Platonic essence -- they do not represent different Platonic essences. Sharing a common source, these shadows resemble each other in meaning. They do not resemble the meanings of other shadows that are cast from a different single Platonic essence, represented by a different root.

    So they are not like the "minimal pairs" in other languages that are distinguished by vowel length, or consonant length. In those cases, the meanings are UNRELATED or UNCONNECTED, not merely "different" or "distinct". If you split hairs finely enough, any two words are distinct or different in meaning. The point of minimal pairs is that the meanings have nothing to do with each other -- they represent different Platonic essences of meaning.

    E.g., in modern Italian, "fato" vs. "fatto". "Fato" means "fate," "fatto" means "done (past participle) / fact (noun)". Only difference is single vs. geminate consonant on the "t". There are vowel length changes, i.e. compensatory lengthening for the vowel followed by a single consonant. So "fato" is pronounced like "faato" -- but that vowel length is not phonemic, and does not distinguish minimal pairs. It's purely allophonic variation, and it is redundant given the following consonant length -- long when followed by single, short when followed by geminate.

    The point is: "fate" and "done / fact" having nothing to do with each other. They are not semantically related or connected, unlike the verb forms II, III, V, and VI based on a single Arabic root, which are all related and connected to each other.

    So, although Arabic uses vowel and consonant length to add fine-grained shades or subtleties of meaning, it does not systematically distinguish entirely different meanings.

    The goal of an imperial lingua franca is to get rid of phonemic sound length distinctions between words with unrelated or unconnected meanings. Arabic did not have this problem with its vowel length or consonant length distinctions in those four verb forms (and nound derivations that give "taalib" etc.).

    So it's not a counter-example after all -- phew!

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  92. This led to the curious observation that Saharo-Arabian languages have never been spread to / adopted by any speech community that was not already Saharo-Arabian.

    I thought, "Well, but they still have some role of vowel and consonant length -- even if it's fine-grained subtlety, rather than totally unrelated meanings. Isn't that still hard for L2 learners to pick up?"

    Well, not if those L2 learners are already ready for that, because their L1 already uses the same process -- because they're fellow Saharo-Arabian speakers, like Egyptians or Berbers. Or maybe even fellow Semitic speakers, like the Levantines.

    So, this would be like the preservation of the extensive case system in Russian, which is an imperial language -- but most of its long-term subjects were other speakers of Russian / East Slavic / non-Southern Slavic, all of which had extensive case systems, using mostly the same forms of cases, so preserving the Russian case system was no impediment to its use as an imperial lingua franca.

    If the adopters of Arabic in the wake of Arabian imperial expansion were already used to its basic morphology and phonology, then it might not be such an impediment to its use as a lingua franca.

    Lo and behold, everyone who speaks some variety of Arabic today was already a Saharo-Arabian speaker before the Arabian conquests of the 7th C AD and later, from the Berbers in NW Africa to the Egyptians of NE Africa to the Levantines, Mesopotamians, and other Arabians within the Arabian Peninsula.

    It's not cuz the Arabians failed to conquer non-Saharo-Arabian speakers -- they conquered the Persians and related Iranian groups like the Kurds. But Persians and Kurds never adopted Arabic, then or now. They conquered into Central Asia, but no one there adopted Arabic, cuz they were either Indo-European or Altaic speakers. The Rashidun Caliphate included parts of Eastern Anatolia, but no one there has ever spoken Arabic, cuz they spoke Greek by that point (and then Turkish, an Altaic language, after that).

    The Moroccan Empire that invaded and occupied Iberia were Arabic speakers -- but none of the Iberians adopted Arabic.

    In other regions where Arabian cultural influence extended, without full-on military conquest, like Afghanistan and Pakistan and India, some of those locals adopted Islam, the religion -- but not Arabic, the language.

    I think it's the non-concatenative morphology, or "zippering-together" morphology, of Saharo-Arabian languages, that makes it impossible for outsiders to adopt as L2 learners. It's just so totally brain-scrambling to speakers of concatenating morphology.

    That was quite an eye-opener, because...

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  93. Maltese is not a Semitic language! It's claimed to be Semitic, and one of the few purported examples of Semitic speakers who used to not be Saharo-Arabian speakers -- they used to speak some kind of Medieval Vulgar Latin, before the Arabic speakers invaded their island circa 900 AD.

    Back on Planet Earth, look over the Wiki entry on Maltese. What a sad pathetic excuse for a Semitic language!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltese_language

    Its phonemic inventory doesn't have a single emphatic consonant! Somehow they adopted the pharyngeal "h" -- but it does not contrast with the non-emphatic "h", so it's not emphatic. In Semitic / Saharo-Arabian languages, emphatics must be contrasted with a non-emphatic counterpart. They don't have emphatic "t", "d", "s" or "dh / z" like Arabic does. They don't have uvular "q" either -- but then, some modern varities of Arabic have dropped "q" as well, and traditional Arabic grammarians never included "q" in the list of emphatic consonants.

    Not a single one in Maltese! Ergo, not Semitic.

    Then you look at the morphology, which is the other sine qua non of Semitic and Saharo-Arabian broadly -- it's not the zippering, non-concatenative type! They conjugate verbs of Indo-European origin with a suffix, just like Indo-Euro verb inflection. They don't re-analyze the Indo-Euro root akin to a Semitic one, with a certain number of discontinuous consonants, and then zipper them into a discontinous vowel-based template, to conjugate verbs -- or to form nouns from those roots, etc.

    No fundamental, pervasive, productive zipper morphology -- not Semitic, not Saharo-Arabian.

    Even worse for their phonology, their vowel inventory is exactly what you'd expect from Spanish or Italian or other nearby descendant of Medieval Vulgar Latin. Five vowels, including the 3 that Arabic has (i, u, a), but also the low-mid front and back vowels (e and o).

    Likewise for the consonants -- aside from lacking the crucial Semitic consonants that Arabic has (emphatics, ayin, etc.), Maltese includes consonants that Arabic does not -- p and v, which oddly enough, Farsi has as well! I know other Saharo-Arabian language had p -- Ancient Egyptian, and Aramaic. So that's not such a big offender, but I can't find any major Saharo-Arabian language with v -- not in Ancient Egyptian, Tuareg (Berber group), Arabic or Akkadian or Ge'ez (Semitic), or Somali (Cushitic).

    If you have phonemic v, you're Indo-European, not Saharo-Arabian.

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  94. Maltese doesn't even have a majority of its vocabulary from Saharo-Arabian sources! Estimates are about 1/3, the rest Indo-European, mainly Italic / Romance, but also now English.

    Now, when the Maltese borrowed 1/3 of their lexicon from Arabic sources, they did not just borrow one form of the word -- they may have borrowed multiple related forms from the original source. In this way, they may appear to be currently productively using Semitic morphology.

    But in reality, those are not productive rules they're using -- they've simply borrowed an entire network of related forms of a loanword, not just one basal form.

    This is similar to English adopting multiple forms of a Latin or Greek loanword, like radius and radii, alumnus and alumna and alumni, crisis and crises, stigma and stigmata, and so on. But that doesn't mean that English is an Italic or Hellenic language -- we just went the extra mile when adopting some of those loanwords from Italic and Hellenic sources, borrowing the original inflected related forms as well. Instead of borrowing just "stigma" and using the English plural formation rule to give "stigmas", or "crisises" from "crisis".

    Certainly the Maltese have performed a far broader example of this type, but that's all it is -- borrowing multiple related forms of a loanword, which is really a loan network of related forms, all using the source forms.

    But do not be fooled -- those are not productive and pervasive rules yielding those forms, just extra-mile borrowing efforts.

    And again, only a minority of their vocab is Arabic anyway -- the majority of their vocab doesn't resemble Arabic in its morphology at all.

    In this way, Maltese is like Yiddish -- a fellow Indo-European language that borrowed a large minority of its vocab from a Semitic source (Biblical Hebrew), sometimes up to the point of borrowing a web of multiple related forms, like the original singular and plural forms of a noun.

    But that doesn't make Yiddish a Semitic language -- and it doesn't make Maltese Semitic either.

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  95. Conclusion: Maltese is an Indo-European language, from the Italic branch, continuing unbroken from Medieval Vulgar Latin, but including a hefty dose of Arabic loanwords -- or rather, loan-webs -- after the invasion of Arabic speakers circa 900 AD.

    In related domains, the Maltese are 98% Roman Catholic, and never flirted with Islam. Of course, there are Semitic and Saharo-Arabian speakers who were / are Christian, like the Syrians and Coptic Egyptians. But those were not the Semitic speakers who invaded Malta circa 900 AD -- they were Muslims.

    Not only did those invaders not replace the local language with a Semitic one, they did not replace the local religion with Islam.

    As for the far less insightful domain of genetics, they were not replaced by Arabian bloodlines either. The Maltese are like generic Indo-Europeans from the Mediterranean side, with some extra Near Eastern admixture. Not too surprising, as the island of Malta is about halfway between Sicily and Tunisia or Libya.

    However, Near East does not mean Arabian -- it likely reflects Bronze Age or Classical Phoenicians or Carthaginians who fared their way around the Mediterranean Sea. Not the Arabian Muslim invaders from 900 AD, who did not genetically replace the locals, on top of not culturally replacing the locals.

    Since CIA plant Pete Buttgag was heavily adverised as being Maltese during his candidacy, I have to believe that Malta as a whole has been mostly hijacked by the CIA for whatever reason -- as a buffer between NATO / EU and the MENA region. IDK why exactly.

    But it's bizarre how extensive and lazy and flimsy this propaganda campaign is about Maltese being a Semitic language. Like, they're the good Semites not the terrorist Semites, or something. Pure propaganda, though.

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  96. Advanced readers may see where this is heading, although I just stumbled onto it haphazardly in the course of lecturing to myself last night about how Maltese is not Semitic but Indo-European...

    Is "Modern Israeli Hebrew" a Semitic language? At first glance, it's an emphatic "no", so to speak. Where are those emphatic consonants? Zero.

    I haven't looked into their morphology yet, and in their case it is necessarily to find a descriptive account of the spoken language -- not the textbook models that are presented for prescriptive value, like "Here's how we hope Israelis will conjugate verbs," but in reality they do it in an Indo-Euro way.

    I haven't looked into that, so can't say just yet. But I can't imagine they adopted zipper morphology, given the history of most of them as Indo-European speakers -- all the Ashkenazis, the Sephardics narrowly speaking (i.e. whose language was Romance, from their stay in Iberia), the Persians, and smaller ones like Italian, Romaniote, and Georgian (Kartvelian, not Indo-Euro -- but still, not Saharo-Arabian).

    I can imagine those who used to speak a Saharo-Arabian language adopting zipper morphology, like Moroccans, Egyptians, Yemenis, Syrians, Iraqis, and Ethiopians. But they're a minority numerically, and even less influential on the elite standard-setting level, which is mostly Ashkenazi and somewhat Indo-European Mediterranean / Persian.

    But since the whole point of Israeli Hebrew is to unite all of those groups, I doubt the former Saharo-Arabian speakers adopted a zipper morphology -- it would only impede communication with the former Indo-Euro speakers.

    We already know that the former Saharo-Arabian speakers failed / refused to adopt the emphatic consonants of Biblical Hebrew, which they would have been capable of doing, since they had emphatics in their pre-Zionist languages. But again, that would have impeded communication with the Indo-Euro Zionists, so they dropped them (as well as ayin).

    Maybe in some ritualistic performance, like reading passages from the Torah aloud, Israelis choose former Saharo-Arabian speakers, to make the LARP more authentic and convincing. I know they love the Yemeni Jews for that reason, of authentic pronunciation.

    But in everyday common speech, to allow all of Israel to communicate with each other? Fat chance! I'm sure it's like Maltese -- or more to the point, the Yiddish language that the founders of Zionism used to speak.

    And that's not even to mention the failure to adopt even the partly Semitic-influenced language of Modern Hebrew, among the new Slavic immigrants, who keep speaking Russian instead of Israeli Hebrew. It's not just chauvinistic pride -- it's the difficulty of Indo-Euros to adopt a Saharo-Arabian language. Even if it's Indo-Euro, with extensive borrowing of loan-webs from Semitic, that's a bridge too far for the johnny-come-latelies to Zionist colonization.

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  97. So I propose the label "Zionish" instead of the misleading label "Hebrew" or any variant on that, which suggests that it is a Semitic language, ultimately deriving from Biblical Hebrew. Everyone knows it's a modern construction, but I doubt that it's a modern constructed SEMITIC language. It's a modern constructed INDO-EUROPEAN language, with extensive borrowing of loan-webs from Semitic (specifically, Biblical Hebrew).

    Could also be "Zionese," but the "-ish" suffix is more Germanic, and used in "Yiddish", so might as well remind everyone where this comes from -- Indo-Euro, Ashkenazi, Yiddish, not Semitic or Judaean.

    You can't use any variant on "Israeli" or "Judaic" or "Levantine" either -- those all suggest a historical connection to Second Temple Judaeans, which none of the Zionist colonizers can back up.

    But everyone agrees that they're Zionists, followers of the Zionist ideology or political program. And that this project is very recent and ongoing and inchoate, not deep and ancient.

    Many already refer to "the Zionist entity" for the name of the country, and "the Zionists" for the name of its people, so might as well call their language "Zionish".

    Yes, I know that Zionism refers to Zion, which is a Semitic root that refers to Jerusalem or the land of Israel broadly. So isn't that also a false / misleading term? Well, we have to use something, and referring to Zionism is the most informative and least misleading.

    I don't think most people who hear "Zionism" are aware of its referent being Jerusalem or ancient Israel. They just know, "those are the invaders of Palestine in the 20th century, who mainly came from Europe and spoke Yiddish". Maybe hardcore Christian American Zionists are aware of the ancient Biblical allusion, but most people around the world are not.

    So, "Zionish" it is!

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  98. Magatards are now coping by talking about renaming the Gulf of Mexico, about as retarded as woketards talking about renaming elementary schools a few years ago. Nobody gives a shit.

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  99. Zionish also has "v" in its phoneme inventory -- it's Indo-European! Why didn't I bother to look that up before, when talking about how unusual it is for Maltese to have it? Well, I get around to things, I can't focus on everything all day long.

    I knew it had a "v" as an allophonic variant of "b" between vowels -- learned that during derivational morphophonology back in undergrad days. So I must've thought it wasn't worth looking into, since it was just a variant -- but no! It's a phoneme too!

    Literally the only two purported Saharo-Arabian languages in world history that have a "v" -- and they're both from known historical Indo-European speakers, hinting that their so-called Semitic language is just another form of Indo-Euro.

    Now imagine my shock when I look up how common "v" is around the world -- it's rare!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_labiodental_fricative

    Only about 20% of languages have it, and I'll bet they're mostly Indo-European. I know Japanese, Korean, and all strands of Chinese do not -- that's a ton of East Asian languages. Saharo-Arabian does not either.

    An uncited claim in the Wiki entry says having "v" but not "w" is distinctive of European and nearby regions of Siberia and Central Asia. Whaddaya know? Zionish has "v" but not "w"! ("w" was only recently introduced through certain loanwords, not part of the founding or most vocab). No Saharo-Arabian language has "v" but lots of them have "w", including actual Hebrew (ancient), and Arabic, and in other branches like Ancient Egyptian.

    How literally anti-Semitic can the Zionish language be, by including "v" while excluding "w"?! It's crazy!

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  100. Proto-Indo-European does NOT have "v", but does have "w", which later became "v" in many of its daughter languages. Sometimes during literate recorded history -- Classical Latin used the character V for the sound "w", but by the Church Latin days it had already become a "v" sound, which it remained in most daughter languages like Italian and French. In Old Spanish onward it changed further from labiodental to bilabial in place of articulation.

    So "v" being found in parts of Siberia or Central Asia near Europe, does not indicate a Paleosiberian origin -- since Proto-Indo-Euro did not have "v". Damn, I was hoping "v" was one of those deep Paleosiberian things -- but no, it's from the post-Proto-Indo-Euro splitting up of the daughter languages.

    Still a wonderful shibboleth for us Indo-Euros, though! Arab grammarians called their language "the language of Daad" referring to the emphatic consonant. We should call ourselves "the people of v"! Or give ourselves a name with lots of v's, which would be devilishly impossible for non-Indo-Euros to pronounce. The Valvovegavans! xD

    As usual, Glorious Nippon admires the American language (and other Indo-Euro languages), and has fallen in love with our distinctive sound "v", which they pronounce like a "b". Nothing is more exotic to them.

    Vtuber (pronounced bwee-chuuba), one of the new Hololive girls is named Vivi, and Fuji manufactures a series of film called Velvia. Multiple v's in a single name! Not being a total weeb, I don't know of other examples, but I'm sure there are tons of them. ^_^

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  101. BTW, I mean Valvovegavans to be pronounced like VAL-vo-VEY-guh-vinz, where the "vega" part is like the star name or the iconic '70s car by Chevy or the Spanish fighter from Street Fighter II.

    I actually have a Chevy Vega keychain from the '70s, not cuz I drive one (I wish), but found it in a thrift store. Similar to this one:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/154203016732

    They don't make cool keychains that come with the car anymore. Hell, they don't even make keys for cars anymore! I don't wanna push a button or have a laser scan my eye in order to turn the car on -- I want to insert one thing into another thing, and give it a crank! Nothing beats mechanical...

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  102. Looking over the list of languages with "v", yep, they're mostly Indo-European -- and Caucasus languages, from all three different families. NWC, NEC, and Kartvelian, as well as good ol' Armenian on the Indo-Euro SE side.

    I'm ignoring cases where there's a handful of new technical loanwords, like "virus" in Arabic.

    Aside from Indo-Euro and all three supposedly separate / isolate Caucasus families, the two most fascinating exceptions are Hungarian and Turkish. Hungarian is Uralic, Turkish is Altaic -- no other members of their respective families have "v". Curious, eh?

    Well, not so curious -- both languages were brought to their present sites about 1000 years ago for Hungarian, and maybe 600-700 years ago for Turkish. Before then, both people were Indo-European speakers going back centuries or millennia. Indo-Europeans want to pronounce "v" so bad, not even adopting / being forced to speak a language from an entirely new family could stop them! And so, these lone examples of Uralic and Altaic preserve the super-stubborn "v" of their earlier, historical Indo-European origins.

    A lone citation claims that one dialect of Arabic, spoken in Siirt, present-day Turkey, uses "v" -- but the example uses the Arabic character "dh" or dhaal (like "th" in English "the," "this", "these," etc.).

    That's another rare sound, but when modern Arabic dialects change it, or outsiders try to pronounce it incorrectly, they usually pronounce it like a simple "d" or as a "z" -- not as a "v". I know some ESL speakers do that with English "dh" -- like Kiara from Hololive -- as well as some dialects of British English, like Cockney.

    That means there's something unusual about these so-called Arabic speakers -- who can't pronounce dhaal, and don't even turn it into "d" or "z" but use a sound that no Saharo-Arabian language has ever used in any context, let alone for dhaal -- "v". I don't buy it, and them being in Southeastern Turkey means they may have been historical Indo-Euro speakers (Greek, Kurdish, Armenian, something like that).

    Maybe it's like Maltese and Zionish -- not really Arabic, but a local Indo-Euro descended language with heavy borrowing from Arabic. IDK, and I'm not going to dig into the referenced book to find out.

    Alternatively, maybe it's real Arabic spoken by actual historical Arabic speakers -- but being located outside of the usual Saharo-Arabian sphere, surrounded by speakers of Greek, Kurdish, and Armenian, they managed to borrow the "v" sound. But just in this one narrow dialect, lying outside the usual Semitic-speaking sphere.

    There are two West African languages, grouped under the Niger-Congo family, although in very different branches -- Ewe and Tyap. Given how many languages are in this family, they don't seem to be representative.

    Then there are a handful in Southeast Asia in different families, including Sino-Tibetan (Bai, Yi, and the Wu and Sichuanese strands of Chinese), and Austroasiatic (Vietnamese).

    So my hunch was right -- the richest source and almost the entire group of languages with "v" are Indo-European, but intriguingly also the 3 so-called isolate families of the Caucasus (NWC, NEC, and Kartvelian). The only outliers from Uralic and Altaic have an obvious Indo-European history.

    So in yet another unexpected by systematic way, we see that the various Caucasus peoples are really just one big family, and they are by all appearances Indo-European.

    Well, sure -- they're right next to the urheimat of the Valvovegavans!

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  103. Y'know, another point in favor of grouping all Caucasus people together, and then with the Indo-Europeans broadly, is the finding from genetic and cultural evolution -- that variation is highest at the origin of a spreading phenomenon, and there's least variation far from the origin. The reasons for that don't matter.

    But for instance, it could be a founder effect -- only one tiny sliver of the original variation is represented in a migration that travels north, while some other tiny sliver of the original variation is present in the migration that travels south, etc. So by the time everyone gets settled far from the origin, and rises in population, there's a fairly homogeneous group in each new location. Whereas every little sliver is still kicking around back at the origin, where high vraiation is preserved -- no migration founder effect, cuz no one is moving anywhere.

    Clearly the 3 so-called isolate families of the Caucasus are different enough that most linguists split them into 3 separate families. They're not as similar as French, Spanish, and Italian.

    But perhaps that's just missing the the forest for the trees -- they are more likely to represent the high level of diversity near the origin of a population that split up and migrated in various directions.

    In several other cultural domains, the Caucasus people are actually fairly similar, not highly divergent -- like jumping over fire for good luck on New Year's, or circumambulating during a marriage ceremony.

    Perhaps their languages date to far far before these rituals came into being, so they have much more diversity than the rituals, which have not had as much time to diverge. I buy it.

    So in good ol' American linguistic fashion, taking after Joseph Greenberg, I'm just going to lump all 3 so-called isolate families from the Caucasus with the Indo-European family to form a super-family. Call it the Valvovegavan super-family! ^_^

    I'm sure there's a Russian-speaking linguist who has already proposed this grouping, perhaps for different reasons. But IDK. I just know they're also big on creating super-families of languages, similar to Greenberg in America. Both traditions drive the Euros absolutely crazy -- but that's our duty as Americans.

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  104. Alternatively, and less thrillingly, it could be like I suggested earlier in this comment section -- that the present-day Caucasus people all used to be Indo-Europeans, or mostly were. They then adopted the local non-Indo-Euro languages of the Caucasus, similar to Indo-Euros adopting the non-Indo-Euro language of Basque, even though the Basques are obviously Indo-Euro in every other domain of culture and genetics.

    The richly attested "v" in all 3 so-called isolate families in the Caucasus, would then be akin to "v" being present in Hungarian and Turkish -- representing the super-stubborn tendency of this sound from historical Indo-European speakers, even after they adopt a new language from outside the Indo-Euro family.

    However, the Basque language does NOT have "v". So Indo-Euro background is not so stubborn that it will preserve "v" into any language outside Indo-Euro that does not have it -- apparently only Hungarian and Turkish, which were forced or brought by invading outsiders. Whereas Indo-Europeans adopted Basque of their own free will, to blend in somewhat with the mountain people they invaded.

    The Caucasus case does not parallel Basque in that way -- they may have willingly adopted the 3 Caucasus families, rather than have those languages forced on them, but all of their new languages of the Caucasus have "v".

    That suggests that "v" was already present in all 3 isolate families of the Caucasus. The Indo-Euro migrants may not have recognized it, but that was one aspect in which they did not have to adopt some strange new language -- they were already used to pronouncing "v"! They found the only other families of languages with a rich presence of "v"...

    And so, I have to conclude that those 3 isolate families already had "v", just like the nearby Indo-Euro languages -- but only after the Proto-Indo-Euro stage.

    Since most linguists won't agree that the 3 isolate families share a common Proto parent, I can't say whether their Proto parent was like Proto-Indo-Euro in not having "v" but only "w" instead, and then the "w" changed to "v" in the various daughter languages, paralleling the history of Indo-European.

    If Indo-Euro and the pan-Caucasus family are actually a super-family, perhaps that Proto parent had "w" but not "v", and the development of "v" from "w" was common to all the daughters, from Indo-European to NWC to NEC to Kartvelian.

    That's my best guess, anyway!

    (Reconstructing the Proto forms of even one of the isolate families of the Caucasus is hard, so we can't even really say for sure what one of their Proto stages was like. But I'm sticking with this conclusion, cuz my intuition went bonkers after getting a little sniff from something seemingly inconsequential like, "Does it have 'v' in it?" There's something big here, for sure.)

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  105. So why did Indo-Euro and Caucasus languages change their "w" to "v"? This analysis shows that we can rule out all sorts of very clueless mechanistic explanations -- it was common to just about every Indo-Euro language, plus multiple languages in each of the 3 Caucasus families (by my supposition). We need a cause that applies to an entire family, not a million separate explanations (over-fitting the data).

    We can reject mechanistic explanations also because it's not a well-attested sound change across the world. Devoicing final obstruents is common. Inserting vowels to break up consonant clusters is common. Changing "w" to "v" is apparently unique to Indo-European and Caucasus languages.

    So there must be a social-cultural explanation. Well, I already said that "v" is a shibboleth -- and I mean that literally. Indo-Euros and Caucasus people have it, none of our neighbors do -- most of our distant fellow human beings don't have it either.

    So what happened was, Indo-Euros during their migrations all over Eurasia encountered various language families that had "w" just like them. And presumably other consonants and vowels, too. They didn't want to sound too similar to them -- they wanted to mark themselves as Proud Noble Indo-Europeans.

    So they wanted a sound that only they could pronounce -- and maybe after some blind trial-and-error, or maybe after the insight of a linguistically gifted individual, they figured out that "v" was absent all over the place. And that was close to their existing sound "v", meaning the change to them was fairly minimal. It wasn't like conjuring clicks out of nowhere -- it was a minimal deviation from a long-standing phoneme in their inventory.

    But once they made that easy change, it led to a huge difference between them and everyone else -- they had their shibboleth!

    All 3 Caucasus isolates were also in contact with non-"v"-having languages. So if they had the same urge to find a shibboleth, to mark themselves as Proud Noble Caucasians, they found their solution.

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  106. Now, what are the chances that 4 supposedly separate language families all had the same social-cultural urge for a shibboleth, and converged on the exact same form of the shibboleth, in the same overall region at probably the same time, and possibly altering the same old phoneme?

    If "v" were the only choice available to distinguish them from their neighbors, then it would not be a coincidence -- assuming you wanted to stand out, that would be the only way. But there are all sorts of sounds that Saharo-Arabian, Uralic, Altaic, and other families do not have. Any of them would do! And more than just "v" can be reached through a minimal alteration to an existing phoneme.

    Given the multiplicity of options, yet the entirely identical outcome for all 4 purportedly isolate families, I have to conclude that this was actualy one single super-family acting with a single desire and reached their single shared outcome.

    Not in the sense of a Proto parent to both Indo-Euro and all 3 Caucasus languages, but a single community of "the daughters of the Proto parent of Indo Euro and the 3 Caucasus families". Although having diverged into daughter languages, they still had some kind of affinity for each other, and said, "Y'know, we really have to distinguish ourselves from these Saharo-Arabians, Uralics, Altaics, and whoever else we may run into..."

    Given that these speakers had already evolved into separate daughter languages, they did represent different cultures -- meaning, I wouldn't be surprised if there WAS some kind of overt, deliberate council that drew together the linguistic specialists from across the daughter-language communities, and after discussion and comparing notes, they decided to change "w" to "v", and bade their speakers to adjust their speech accordingly.

    ...OK, maybe not THAT concerted and deliberate, but it is striking how every member of the broad Indo-Euro family, along with each of the 3 Caucasus families, decided to make the same change for the same reason and land on the same specific solution. Maybe all that was needed was gossiping and word-of-mouth transmission among the masses, not a council of experts who enforced their decision on the masses.

    I doubt they would've written such a council down, or preserved an oral legend about it. It might give their non-Indo-Euro neighbors the idea to do likewise, and steal their shibboleth! So might as well just leave the council and its decision shrouded in mystery, so that the shibboleth would remain as a seeming fact of nature, ever separating the Indo-Euros and Caucasus people from the rest of the world.

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  107. I mean, "close to their existing sound 'w' ", of course.

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  108. Some popular Japanese anime titles with multiple v's in the title:

    Valvrave the Liberator. Not only 3 v's in one word, but oddly enough the same 4 letters at the start as my proposed label Valvovegavan. Great minds think alike. ^_^

    Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song.

    Vividred: Operation. This one is written with the character for "bi" instead of "vi", however, in the original Japanese title.

    That's right, Japanese has special katakana combinations for "v" since it doesn't appear in Japanese. It's based on the katakana for "u" and "w", recognizing that "v" came from "w" in the Indo-European languages. It's based on the history of the sound.

    That's also how some, maybe most, Indo-European alphabets chose their character for "v" -- it was the same as earlier "w" in Latin, and that choice was carried over into other Latin alphabets. In German it's written W, and that is in other Germanic languages used for "w". In the Persian alphabet, it's vaav, which is borrowed from Arabic waaw, which is used for "w".

    If they had based it on the most similar other sound, it would have been based on "f" -- "v" is just "f" with vibrating vocal cords.

    That is the way that modern Arabic writes "v" -- as the character for "f" with some diacritic marks, and only for foreign loanwords (like "virus"). It's not waaw with diacritic marks.

    But since the Japanese are more fascinated by Indo-European cultures, they wanted to peer further into the history of the sound, in order to represent it in their writing.

    Arabic speakers are less fascinated by Indo-Europeans than the Japanese are, so they just said, "Well, what does it sound like in our own language? It sounds closest to "f", well then just modify the character for "f"."

    In either case, they both recognize how exotic and distinctive the "v" sound is -- something that we Indo-European speakers probably never even realized about ourselves, and how others perceive us. I certainly did not, until yesterday, and only by stumbling onto the topic!

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  109. Related to "v" is the voiced labiodental approximant -- kind of like a "v" but not a fricative (turbulent, buzzing) sound, rather made more in a gentle gliding manner like "y" or "w".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_labiodental_approximant

    The family where it's most richly represented seems to be the Dravidian languages of Southern India (formerly more widespread in the North, before the Indo-Aryan invasion).

    Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, and Kannada, all have this sound at the phonemic level -- not just as an allophonic variant in surface pronunciation, derived from "w" or "v" or something.

    However, this sound did not exist in Proto-Dravidian -- only "w" did. That parallels the evolution of Indo-European, where "w" became "v" in the daughters, but it became the approximant sound in Dravidian daughters.

    Most of India's tech drones come from the South, so if you've heard someone speak with an "Indian" accent, where the "v" sounded more like a "w" (e.g., "wisa" for "visa") -- it's probably this labiodental approximant they're making (where the lower lip is contacting the upper teeth), not a true "w" (which is bilabial, where both lips are pressed together).

    It has a broader distribution in East Asia, but it seems to be most well represented in the Dravidian family.

    The purported examples from Indo-European are always qualified with "allophonic variant" or "in some dialects" or "in some pathological individuals". It's not in our phonemic inventory -- "v" is.

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  110. Now back to figuring out of Zionish has zipper morphology, broken plurals, multiple connected verb forms generated from a single root, etc., like a true Semitic language, or not...

    But it was worth getting "sidetracked" by the "v" thing -- that was way more illuminating about human cultural history than whether or not the Zionists speak a Semitic or an Indo-European language.

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  111. Anna K. recurringly sperging out over too-tight smedium wool-blend walking coats just shows how insulated the fag-hag lifestyle is, especially in New York. Literally no men dress like that -- 95% with that look are straight-up homos, and 5% are gay-adjacent fashion victims.

    Her main gripe is with the painted-on fit -- a signature of the mid-2000s to 2010s. Who still dresses like that? Only the gays, still wearing skinny jeans and comically severe sideways parts in 2025. Not-very-closeted NBC News anchor David Muir was recently roasted for artificially tightening his jacket fit while on location.

    Super-tight fits were ahead-of-the-curve among straight rocker / edgy types in the mid-2000s, both for pants and jackets. Homos jumped on the bandwagon, as always, only after cool straight guys paved the way and ensured that it was socially permissible to do, nearly 10 years later. And now here gays are, still wearing the too-tight fit -- always 10 years behind the straights. Where the idea of gays as cultural leaders, innovators, or the edgy avant-garde came from, I'll never figure out -- just hype from their own narrow circle-jerk.

    So to any guys hearing that ongoing complaint and wondering, "W-wait, is she talking about m-m-me?" No, she's miffed at how tragically unfashionable 95% of today's gays are. She wants the Clinton '90s version of a gay BFF or gay friend circle where they're all well put together, witty, cultured, etc. -- rather than 10 years out of style, "gayness is my personality, and it's hilarious per se", and consuming the same slop that everyone else is.

    I don't think other fag-hags are that upset about the state of gays in the 2020s, but she transplanted to expensive New York real estate for a reason, and it's not to share a scene with gays who apply their typical clownshow amplification / caricaturification to the most bland and out-of-date styles. Clownishly bland! Bombastically bland! Only the gays, though.

    Like a fag-hag in the middle of Iowa probably doesn't care, accepts that her gay BFF is a sloppy-looking messy catty flamer, and that's the appeal. She doesn't need the fancy-schmancy kind of gay BFF that she imagines the Manhattan fag-hags have access to. Trophy fags!

    But then Anna and others like her transplant to New York only to discover what a cultural dump it is (and always has been).

    She should join her ancestral Armo brethren out West and find some scenesters who don't "look like a realtor" as she put it on the pod, regarding the wool-blend straitjacket look. Sorry, that's a New York thing, or maybe East Coast thing, only...

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  112. Also have to laugh at promoting this look as unassuming, blending in, looking normal, etc.:

    https://www.macys.com/shop/product/guess-mens-hooded-puffer-coat?ID=4964022

    That's the top male result for "puffer coat" on Google images. That's what they look like -- the panels are too bubbly, making you look like the Stay Puft marshmallow man or someone with multiple rolls of fat all over your torso and arms.

    The texture is not just shiny and glossy, it's crinkly and wrinkly, like the thinnest garbage bag ever invented, bound to tear and burst at the slightest pressure. Poorly made, crappy, cheap pathetic material.

    Color is default all-black, not just the jacket but the pants and everything else too. The most boring Puritanical palette in the world -- and no, you're not Yohji Yamamoto just cuz you wear all-black. You just look like a homeless person from Noo Yawk, or scold / prude from Bahstin.

    No patterns, other than the billowing folds of fabric-fat.

    No catchy details either, like chrome buttons or zipper.

    The only appeal, according to its promoters, is that it isn't too-tight in the fit like the literally gay wool-blend walking coat. But it isn't oversized, or drape-y, or roomy -- roomy coats still look like they're hanging from the human body and subject to gravity. The coat above looks like it was inflated from the inside out like a balloon -- not the same shape at all as a roomy coat. And that applies to the smaller scale of the individual panels, all of which look like they were inflated from the inside out, and the thin crappy crinkly shiny shell is ready to tear under the pressure.

    It looks like someone sprayed glossy black paint on those packing bubbles and taped them together over someone's poor body!

    Horrendo...

    And no, I don't care what other forms of the puffer coat look like -- if we're judging "wool coats" by what the gay weirdos are wearing in 2025, then we're doing the same for "puffer coats".

    You're not an understated outdoorsman from the '60s, or chic ski bunny from the '70s, just cuz you have a puffer coat. Just as you don't look like Robert Redford in Three Days of the Condor just by wearing a wool peacoat, if it's caricaturingly skintight a la the 2010s (or 2020s on the gay timeline).

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  113. So the main problem is the crappification of new stuff over time, beginning no later than the 2000s, amping up during the 2010s, through the 2020s, and presumably into the indefinite future. In fact, a lot of the drop-off accompanied NAFTA in the '90s, and Reaganism in the '80s -- speaking of wool-blends, that's when the horrible trend of 85% wool / 15% nylon began, including with former stalwarts of quality like Woolrich and Eddie Bauer.

    Part of this is crappiness of materials, due to neoliberal greed from clothing manufacturers -- corporate profits matter more than pride in your product or customer satisfaction, unlike the New Deal when everyone looked great and had great stuff, due to the beneficence of the elites of that era (including clothing manufacturers).

    But part is also where we are in the imperial lifespan -- collapsing now, and stagnating from the '80s through the 2000s. The cultural reflection of that is the maturing of our national folk styles, which did not exist before we became a new people, the Americans.

    But as of 1980 or so, there was very little that was new under the American cultural sun, and increasingly the "new thing" was primarily exciting for its retro value -- not as a retro thing per se, but harking back to the glory days of our society. Not so retro that it was before our distinctive American identity, and it has to be retro enough to reach back into our glory days.

    "The styles of 20 years ago" used to mean something, like the '90s reviving the '60s and '70s, or the '80s reviving the '50s. Even the 2000s reviving the '80s -- which had new exciting things like New Wave.

    But in 2025, 20 years ago was 2005 -- which was already heavily based on a revival (somewhat the glam part of the '70s, but more so the '80s overall). The only somewhat new thing was emo and scene, and that was more or less already there with punk, metal, and goth styles from several decades before.

    Most revivers right now are aiming for the '90s or y2k, which was a bit more distinctive. They can sense that American cultural innovation was more or less over with the turning of the millennium (and as I said, it had already slowed considerably during the '80s and '90s, compared to earlier in the definitive 20th century).

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  114. And so, distaste for how things have ended up now, not only has to do with the degradation of quality due to corporate greed, but the growing deviance from our defining national folk styles, as imperial collapse leads to heritage-hating iconoclasm among the culture-makers -- and a good share of the general public, too.

    Who back in the good ol' '50s, '60, or '70s wore a painted-on wool-blend walking coat -- or a nondescript inflated-trashbag puffer coat? We Americans might as well be wearing cravats and wigs, or veils and burqas. Today's styles are too alien from our core identity, and therefore alienating as well as uncomfortable and ridiculous.

    We will never have to qualify what century we mean by "the '50s" -- what other century *is* there, for American identity? If it isn't clearly part of, or firmly rooted in the 20th century, it's just alienating to us, and will always be. We've already constructed our identity, it's mature, solidified into place, and there are no do-overs, only corrosive iconoclasm against our already existing cornucopia of folk styles.

    That's why vintage will always be cooler, better looking, comfier-feeling, and giving us that sense of belonging and connection to our culture that clothing does -- for any society. Ideally, actual vintage, which was way better in quality. But at the very least, in terms of what it's aiming to look and feel like.

    Better a latter-day reproduction of an iconic '70s puffer coat, with the multi-tone stripes or other color-block pattern over the chest, even if its fill is polyester instead of goose down like it used to be, than the equally questionable quality but dour and alienating black balloon sacks that 21st-century puffer coats look like.

    Anna in particular may be less sensitive to how alienating these coats are, due to being an immigrant and having only a tenuous grasp of what America's distinctive folk styles are like, especially since she says she grew up around many other immigrants, who could not help model them for her either. Not to single her out -- the foreign-born population only keeps rising, since the Reaganite '80s.

    Just as a healthy country would make sure any immigrants learned the language of their adoptive country, they would drill into them what its folk styles are, too. It's as simple as watching thriller movies from the '70s, and TV shows from the same time (say, the Mary Tyler Moore Show for sit-com, McCloud for police drama, and the Incredible Hulk for sci-fi). They don't just "look like the '70s," they had earlier styles still present too, all of which congealed into the American standard around that time.

    For example, no athleisure in any conception, lots of blue-colored denim jeans. Wide-brim hats derived from the Wild West, rancher coats, fur, military styles -- that would be 20th-century American military styles -- color-block patterns, textured back-to-nature boho, and all the rest of it.

    As a bonus, they'd get an understanding of what *all* domains of American culture are the standard -- office interiors, homes, cars, consumer electronics, kitchenware, everything. Not that there's a single narrowly defined standard, but a constrained band outside of which it's just not American, as wonderful (or not) as it may be.

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  115. To wrap it up, if you must get a puffer coat, image search "vintage puffer coat" for ideas, or search ebay for that. Ignore the letters-to-Santa sellers looking for well over $100 for something they thrifted. There are tons of them for less than that, and even a handful under $50.

    Gerry seems to have been a popular maker, and they used to be Made in USA (Colorado), filled with goose down, etc. The brand still exists, but it's the typical slop du jour.

    Usually entering the term "vintage" multiplies the price by 10, but strangely not in this case. Probably because puffer coats are not that distinctive of American identity, so the vintage crowd isn't that into them (I'm certainly not). And on the other hand, puffer coat fans are not into core American identity, so why bother looking for "an old one"?

    Things to look for:

    Chrome buttons and zippers, the bigger the zipper the better.

    Down fill.

    Quilted look rather than billowing ballooning rolls of fabric-fat.

    Matte, not giga-glossy material. It's nylon, it'll have a little sheen to it, but not like today's.

    Outline echoes the human torso, and hangs on it -- not inflated outward that could take on any shape like a balloon animal. In fact, about half of them were fitted around the cuffs and waist, with elastic ribbing -- ironically for the "boo fitted look" puffer coat wearers of today.

    Solid colors in anything other than black. They don't appear to have made any black ones in the good ol' days, so this is simple.

    Colored patterns, mainly over the chest, sometimes on the upper arms. Horizontal stripes, a single chest-spanning chevron, multiple chevrons, wavy or curvilinear (not rectilinear) color-blocks, "Western shirt" downward curving points, etc.

    Two-tone palette, regardless of any pattern over the chest -- e.g., dark blue on the collar, shoulders, and arms, but light blue on the torso. Maybe with a cherry red stripe running across the chest, to add a simple pattern and new color in (based on an example I saw while browsing ebay, but can't find it right now). Or '70s earth tones, or green and white Winter Wonderland in the forest effect, or all-American red white and blue, and so on.

    Contrasting materials -- collar that's real wool or faux fur, corduroy, etc., and in a different color than the body. Could also take place on the pockets.

    Anything other than a 21st-century template...

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  116. The wisdom of old books, Garden of Eden edition. Sometime last year it struck me while reading about Eden that its name in Hebrew begins with ayin, and when I sounded it out to myself, I realized -- that's Aden, the city in Yemen! Not just the triconsontal root, but the vowels as well.

    So, Eden refers to the literally still existing site called Aden, in Yemen, in the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula. Its existence and its name are not made-up, whatever else about the narrative may be made-up.

    Given its minor role in the Hebrew Bible overall -- mostly as a throwaway reference to where "we" came from ultimately -- I concluded that it was a deep memory of where the Semitic-speaking people originally landed when they left Africa behind, where the Saharo-Arabian language family originated (most diversity in NE Africa / Horn of Africa). They must've crossed the southern part of the Red Sea, landed in what is now Yemen, and named the place Aden, or perhaps conquered it from some earlier pre-Semitic / non-Saharo-Arabian group who had named it Aden.

    I was shocked -- could I be the only one who noticed this? It's dead obvious. Yet it's not in the Wikipedia article, and it's not something that we're all taught growing up, again regardless of whether the teacher is taking a religious or secular look at Eden. They should just say, "BTW, this refers to Aden in Yemen -- it's not a made-up place."

    While browsing the clearance section of a used bookstore, I found the Oxford Bible Atlas: 2nd edition, from the 1970s. Pre-neoliberal, certainly pre-Nu Atheist, pre-woketard 2010s, etc. I flipped through it to find a map of Arabia, and boom -- there it is! It spells the name of the site in Yemen as "Eden", just to let you know.

    There are no mentions of it in the prose, since it's not concerned with the really old-timey narratives about the creation of mankind, the flood and Noah, etc. It starts with the age of the Patriarchs.

    So they also fail to emphasize that Eden was a real place, and it's the same name as Aden in Yemen. But at least they clearly label it as "Eden" on the map of Arabia in Biblical times.

    IDK if you'd notice that detail unless you were studying every name on every map, since it's not written about in the prose. But at least it's there!

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  117. On the topic of legendary foreign founders, Abraham was foreign to Canaan -- he came from Ur Kasdim, either Ur in Sumer / Babylonia or Urfa in SE Turkey. Both places are part of Mesopotamia, though, not Canaan or the Levant. His trek to "the promised land" (promised by God) in Canaan forms a vivid part of the Age of Patriarchs' narrative, not just a throwaway reference.

    In Canaan, he settled near Hebron and bought the Cave of the Patriarchs to bury his wife Sarah -- he bought it from the Hittites, who were based in Anatolia, and were an imperial power (Indo-European, BTW).

    So he fits the template of being a foreigner, but from an illustrious and prestigious background -- Mesopotamia had several empires or great powers, and the Hittites were an empire as well. Not just some random schmoe who nomadically drifted into Canaan and took over some land illegitimately. The narrative wants to establish his legitimacy via prestigious established civilizations, since you can't establish the prestigiousness of your own totally novel society.

    Same deal as the Muscovite Empire appealing to the legendary Rurik, a Viking chieftain. Or Geoffrey of Monmouth appealing to the Roman Brutus. Or Virgil appealing to the Trojan Aeneas. Or Americans appealing to ancient aliens who seeded New World civilizations.

    We're all just carrying on the torch that was passed to us by earlier, established, prestigious civilizations -- not just materializing out of nothing and having only our own declaration that we are important special prestigious people.

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  118. In the lifespan of empires, these foreign founder myths usually arise after the integrative civil war, as in Virgil's Aeneid which he composed at the close of the Roman civil wars of the 1st C BC, or Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain, written shortly after The Anarchy of the 11th C AD. And certainly Americans' fascination with dead civilizations on Mars that could've visited Earth long ago, or other ancient aliens narratives, that only began in the 1890s and later, after our Civil War & Reconstruction.

    The Abraham myth seems to have come up in the context of a lower-scale civil war or conflict as well -- between the Judaeans who had remained in and around Judah, after Jerusalem was destroyed by the Neo-Babylonian Empire, vs. those Judaeans (and their descendants) who had been hauled off in bondage to Babylon by their conquerors and were only allowed to return home later, after being liberated by the Achaemenid Persians, who had defeated the Neo-Babylonians.

    The never-left Judaeans created Abraham to establish their long-standing pedigree, being landowners like him (who purchased land from the Hittites). Neither Abraham nor his myth-makers had been hauled off in bondage to some hostile foreign territory.

    Whereas the returning Judaeans came up with the Exodus myth, to make a counter-claim on prestige and legitimacy -- they were returning from unjust exile. They were akin to the receiver of God's laws, the firebrand who stood up to a much more powerful foreign enslaver society, etc. Moses didn't achieve influence by buying land and setting up contracts -- he was a fighting hero who defeated the main antagonist of the Judaean people, the Pharoah.

    But Moses is an Egyptian name, and later Jews took pains to cover up his Egyptian-ness. Maybe he was outright Egyptian, maybe he was a culturally Egyptianized Hebrew -- either way, too close to their meta-ethnic nemesis.

    And so, the legendary founder came to be Abraham, not Moses, since you can't claim to be founded by your meta-ethnic nemesis. That would be like Romans claiming to be founded by a Gaul or Carthaginian, or British claiming to have been founded by a Danish Viking, or Americans claiming to have been founded by a Native American chief, or Russians claiming to have been founded by a Mongol khan.

    Mesopotamia was safe -- not Egypt, in fact very far from it. Ditto for the Hittites -- not Egyptian, often at war with them for control over the Levant. Abraham's origins were not tainted by an association with their meta-ethnic nemesis in Egypt. So he's the legendary foreign founder, not Moses, however influential Moses may have been in other ways.

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  119. Forgot to mention Cadmus and Theseus as legendary foreign founders. Cadmus was Phoenician, and has a Saharo-Arabian / Semitic name (q-d-m and the Greek suffix for a male name, having to do with the future, perhaps like "progenitor", IDK exactly). He legendarily founded Thebes in Greece.

    Theseus was from Troezen, in the Peloponnese but in the Argolid peninsula, and had to travel all the way around the Saronic Gulf to arrive in Athens, which he legendarily founded. Also spent time legendarily navigating the Labyrinth and slaying the Minotaur on Crete, even further away from Athens.

    The Athenians' main antagonists when these myths were created were the Persians and the Spartans. Theseus was from the Peloponnese, but not Sparta -- his origins are closer to Argos, which was Athens' ally in the Peloponnesian Wars between Athens and Sparta. He was foreign, but not from the enemy's side.

    Cadmus is from neither Persia nor anywhere in Greece, and the Phoenicians were an established civilization, so he also passes the test of "prestigious, but not our enemy". Thebes was on the Spartans' side in the Peloponnesian Wars, so as long as Cadmus wasn't Athenian or from one of their allies, he was fine.

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  120. *The Anarchy of the 12th C.

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  121. We should start using the phrase "Ancient Martians" in the context of legendary foreign founders of American civilization. "Aliens" is too vague -- they need to be from somewhere specific, like Cadmus being Phoenicians or Brutus being Roman or Rurik being Viking.

    It not only adds some vivid detail to the narrative, it ensures that they were not descended from of our meta-ethnic nemesis, or otherwise tainted by them. If it's vague, maybe they're tainted by our nemesis, maybe they're not -- too much uncertainty that must be resolved.

    The audience wants to hear about how prestigious and illustrious their founders are -- and if they can't be sure they weren't founded by their bitter rivals, well, that's too much dread and anxiety throughout the narrative. Best to just nip that in the bud during the prologue.

    And so, the Star Wars epic is not quite like the Aeneid, regarding its role in our mythological view of ourselves. Star Wars names many planets in "a galaxy far, far away," however none of them are Mars or said to be settled by Martians. Luke Skywalker is from Tatooine.

    Americans have been specifically focused on Mars as the source of "dead / dying alien civilizations that may have interacted with Earth long ago, perhaps seeding some of our civilizations, including those in the New World, and America itself". Ever since the American astronomer Percival Lowell wrote "Mars" in 1895.

    Also worth noting a Glorious Nippon connection with Lowell -- he lived in Japan off and on from 1883 to 1893, wrote several books about it (including the occult there). Long before our confrontation and occupation during WWII. Back when they were simply called Japanophiles and not weebs. ^_^

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  122. Finally found an example of Hyperborean / Ancestral North Eurasian culture that is to this day shared by Indo-European, Caucasus, Altaic, contempo Siberian (e.g. Tungusic speakers), and Native Americans (including later ones like Eskimos).

    Animal hide floor coverings -- probably also for covering a bed or a person or providing insulation on a "wall" (could be the inside of a conical tent). And for their decorative value, of course -- and to signal which culture they belong to.

    First they were simple animal hides, which Indo-Europeans still value today -- nothing cooler than that.

    Then they were cut into sections, pieces, or panels, and stitched together. Perhaps in a haphazard utilitarian way at first -- just maximize the area covered by them. But later, or perhaps at the outset if they were aesthetic types, sewing them into patterns -- alternating bands of color, zigzags, other abstract geometric motifs, or animal / vegetable motifs.

    I actually have two like this! Oddly enough, one is pieced together to resemble a single large animal hide, as though it were cut from a large black-and-white cow. But it's panels of sheep's wool sewn together. Another is more artistic, with clean lines forming simple shapes that are arranged into an animal or animal-god pattern, with the head, shoulders, and paws. That was is from alpaca hide panels, with various contrasting colors employed for a bolder effect. Both are then sewn onto a fabric rectangular backing around the outer edges -- but old-timey ones would not necessarily have had a separate backing, let alone one that was a woven textile.

    Scored both of them recently at a thrift store for $10-15 apiece! I tried using one as a blanket out of curiosity -- and the temperature would definitely have to be freezing for these to be needed. I got so hot! I normally keep the thermostat at 65 or 66 in winter -- still too warm for a pieced hide blanket. But if it were freezing or below...

    As floor coverings, they probably had some loose layer of straw / grass / thin sticks, to provide some softer padding instead of sitting on the hard ground, and to keep the backside of the hide from getting too dirty.

    They were useful to nomadic or semi-nomadic people, since you can roll them up and carry them off to your next location, much like backpackers do today with a rolled up mat (all of those backbackers are Indo-European, BTW). Mats, included rolled up ones, are common elsewhere -- but not made of animal hides / pieced hides / or the next item I'll mention.

    Examples from Eskimo, Yakut, and Kirghiz cultures:

    https://primitiverug.com/journal/primitive-eskimo-skin-rugs

    https://primitiverug.com/journal/yakut-pieced-skin-primitive-rug

    https://primitiverug.com/journal/kirghiz-pieced-skin-cover-primitive-skins-from-the-stoneage

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  123. *Sheepskin, not sheep's wool -- the panels are not made from a woven material, but a hide.

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  124. And that's where rugs and carpets came from! That was what I was first trying to figure out. I noticed that all of the rug-making countries today are Indo-European, from America and Europe to Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India.

    Very strange that they're so Indo-European -- didn't Aladdin have a magic carpet? Weren't "Middle Eastern" people famous for carpets? And why haven't I ever seen a rug that was "Made in Jordan / United Arab Emirates / Egypt" -- as I have many times for cotton clothing articles?

    Turns out, this divide goes back pretty far. All the cultures famous for rug-making, in the Wiki article on rugs / carpets, are Indo-European or from the Caucasus (which I've already established are either Indo-Euro, or form a super-family with the Indo-Euros), plus some Turkic groups near the Indo-Euro / Turkic border. Not many examples from Altaic groups further away from this border. No one from the Saharo-Arabian sphere, despite claims of "Berber rugs," which may be a very recent adoption, bolstered by a marketing campaign for all things Moroccan being fashionable.

    The oldest preserved rug was made by Armenians in the mid-1st millennium BC, and found in a Scythian burial mound in the Altai Mountains much further to the north and east. The Pazyryk carpet. Armos and Scythians are both Indo-Euro. Greek historian Herodotus said Armos were famous for their rug-making skills, especially their dyes that would never fade.

    Various Native American groups weave woolen rugs as well, especially in the American Southwest, representing the Na-Dene / Athabaskan family. Their languages were recently shown to fit into a larger family with a contempo Siberian language group, Yeniseian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dene%E2%80%93Yeniseian_languages

    Weaving requires more than a simple sewing kit and raw materials -- the material must be processed into a yarn, and there must be a loom to weave the rug on (these are not hand-crocheted / knitted rugs). So that required a more sedentary society, with an artisan class supported by an agricultural surplus, that could develop the tools and oversee workshops devoted to these crafts. Even if you're weaving it at home, you still need the capital -- and that means access to a sedentary agrarian society with artisan classes and specialized capital.

    So weaving rugs certainly developed *after* sewing together animal hide panels, to create floor coverings / bed coverings / wall coverings / clothing.

    Word for "wool" and "weave" are in the vocabulary for Proto-Indo-European:

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h%E2%82%82w%C4%BA%CC%A5h%E2%82%81neh%E2%82%82

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/web%CA%B0-

    They were processing wool, and making woven crafts from it, way back then. But not WAAAAY way back when, when they had to piece together panels of animal hides.

    But to this day, they remain the premier and nearly sole weavers of rugs around the world, including the most renowned, so-called "Persian" rugs. Some are made in Isfahan, which is closer to the center of Persia. But Tabriz is one of their oldest and most eminent rug-weaving centers, and it's in the Caucasus region, in the far NW of the country. The prestigious place for cleaning and buying carpets in my city has an Armenian surname, though he may have come here by way of Iran's Armenian diaspora (IDK).

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  125. So when you're wearing a wool poncho, and it looks like you're wearing a rug or blanket or tapestry -- that's akin to wearing an animal hide or hide panels stitched together into a single garment, both of which were also used to cover the floor and bed and walls.

    And unlike coverings made from plant materials, these are from animal hides or their shorn hair -- either way, still conveying that barbarian animalic aesthetic. Cotton and linen just aren't frizzy and shaggy enough to make it look like you're wearing an animal, as all proud descendants of the Hyperboreans long to do.

    And that's why they're rare or non-existent as mature traditions, or even as consumption of foreign-made items, in the civilized areas -- like the Cradle of Civilization, China, even the Mediterranean, except for the Indo-Euro northern area. They look down on nomadic barbarians, especially to the extent that barbarians resemble hunter-gatherers -- the most primitive form of savages!

    "Animal hides -- really? You can't be serious! We're civilized people, not animals wearing other animals!"

    Your loss, city-slicker. Not everyone was destined to look and feel cool and badass...

    Speaking of which, I got another major unsolicited compliment while sporting my plaid wool poncho yesterday. The whole look, in fact, which she emphasized by motioning with her arm from my head to my toe. Wool poncho (over a light blue chambray shirt), dark blue jeans, orange-y brown Western boots, and a navy blue wool beret. Cute young Asian girl who works at the supermarket where the cute Latina teen works, who complimented me last time.

    In fact, she was wearing some kind of shawl over her shoulders herself! Looked like cotton or plant-like, not a wild woolly one like mine. I think she was Chinese or Korean -- she was speaking with some foreign Chinese students, but said she couldn't speak much Chinese. So either Chinese-American who lost the language, or a Korean who knows a handful of Chinese words if they have been loaned into Korean.

    Nice and tall, too -- it's not every day you get complimented and motioned to all up-and-down by a 6-foot-tall Asian girly. ^_^

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  126. Now that I think about it, maybe the Asian Amazon has some Manchurian blood, and was recognizing her own ancestors' quasi-barbarian way of life! Yes, I know, they sedentarized unlike other Tungusic speakers. But so did many Indo-Europeans, including us -- and yet we still wear fur, wool, and throw animal hides to cover the floor and hang them from the wall!

    Or maybe it was just the civilized Han finding the quasi-barbarian strangely exotic and intriguing... unga-bunga, baby!

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  127. We can rule out the objections about these cultural practices being cases of convergent evolution or spreading / borrowing. The convergent evolution objection is "Well, all those cultures lived for a long time in the far north, where it gets really cold -- so they could have all independently come up with similar solutions to their common problem."

    Well then, why don't other mountain people outside the Hyperboreans do the same? The Incas and their descendants do -- like I mentioned, that rug or wall cover or bedspread made from alpaca hide panels sewn together. But they're Native Americans, plus were colonized by the Spanish. Two different paths to Hyperborea.

    But it gets cold and snowy during winter in the Levant, and during nighttime in the desert -- yet Saharo-Arabians are sparsely represented, maybe not at all represented, among major wool / fur / hide cultures.

    And from the other direction, the Hyperborean-descended cultures don't use these products only when it's cold -- we like throwing animal hides or wool rugs on the ground even when it's warm. Perhaps not as clothing when it's warm -- although there is the "three-season wool suit" in Europe and America, showing how much we want to wear wool even outside of winter. Hanging them on the wall isn't just utilitarian, for insulation -- it's to decorate. We keep whole hides, sewn hide panels, and wool tapestries on the wall regardless of season, not just winter.

    So convergent evolution is not the explanation.

    As for diffusion, borrowing, etc. -- why does something only diffuse among people who have already been established as a genetic or cultural super-family, like the Hyperboreans? Imagine how long Anatolia, the Caucasus, and Iran have been interacting with the Arabian Peninsula to their south, and even Egypt too -- yet no one there has adopted an Indo-Euro language, or an Indo-Euro religion, or old-time Indo-Euro ritual of any kind (say, jumping over fire for good luck on New Year's), and so on.

    Since Saharo-Arabians are so resistant to borrowing culturally from Indo-Europeans and Caucasus people, why would we assume they would borrow wool rugs, animal hide clothing, fur hats, etc.? Even when it would be functional, like in the cold snowy winters of the Lebanese mountains! Just burn a fire for warmth -- dressing up like barbarians in animal hides would be abdicating our role as civilizational bulwarks, no matter the utilitarian value!

    So I don't buy the idea that only one or a few groups among Hyperboreans created it, and it spread from there. It's more reasonable to assume a shared common ancestor. And even if it did spread from one to the other -- way does it spread so easily among them, and slam into a barrier when it should be spreading outside of their super-family?

    It's Hyperborean, and tailored (so to speak) to whatever the current state of their crafting economy is -- whole animal hides first, then sewn-together hide panels, then weaving yarn spun from animal hair. But in the abstract template, "wearing animals" or "using animals" to cover the floor, bed, and wall.

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  128. Veganism is such an offense to our deep Hyperborean roots, you'd think it was introduced by foreigners from Saharo-Arabia or somewhere... but no, it's a shameful example of heritage-hating iconoclasm that only erupts during the collapsing stage of the imperial lifespan.

    Who the fuck was vegan or even vegetarian in America or Europe before 1980? Or 2000?

    Yes, veganism applies to all uses of animal products, not just eating them -- you're not allowed to wear a leather jacket, throw an animal hide over the bed, or wear wool anywhere on your body.

    That's what they used to be most known for -- their anti-fur-clothing crusade. They still do that, but everyone's too poor now to afford animal clothing, including wool, due to imperial collapse. But we can still afford to eat pink slime burgers, so that's where they've turned their iconoclasm and heritage destruction to.

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  129. The Japanese historically used rolling mats to cover their floors as well, although they were made from plant materials. But still, reflecting the more semi-nomadic, semi-barbarian culture of Glorious Nippon compared to the Koreans or Chinese.

    And their use of plant materials is more reflective of the lack of animal hair products in their society, since they didn't have lots of sheep or goats. Similar to their historically vegetarian-ish diet -- they didn't have tons of animals to butcher for meat, or milk.

    Once they got wealthy enough, though, they instantly began eating tons of beef. And not just for utilitarian reasons, like "it's more nutritious than plants". It's just more in touch with their yearning desire to live like semi-nomadic barbarians.

    Japanese people LOVE to go camping, way more than other Asian groups like China and Korea -- and even more than some American groups, like East Coasters.

    Their adoption of fur clothing (or faux fur) is another sign that, deep down, they long to live like semi-barbarians. Fur hats, collars, cuffs, leg-warmers, boots, tails worn at the hip -- anything! It's stylistic or aesthetic, not just functional.

    So, while tatami mats will always be a popular traditional Japanese type of floor covering, I bet they'd LOVE animal hides as rugs, or hide panels sewn together into a rug, or shaggy and woolly rugs. Or these same items, to cover a bed or couch or chair. Or hung from the wall. They get the appeal of animal products for decorating the home and the body!

    ...Not to mention that Japanese babes have staunchly resisted the American trend of removing their pubic hair. They like the animalic look and feel! Au naturel! Not decadent, corrupt, overly manicured and manipulated by mega-scale civilization!

    Glorious Nippon!

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  130. And, just as many Hololive girls have fur collars for their alternate outfits, there's one whose default model is -- a sheep! With pronounced curling horns, too! Watame. Her voice and personality are soft, gentle, and fluffy -- just like sheep's wool. ^_^

    Japan, as a Dark Age culture like ours, loves animal-person hybrids in their popular culture. And this includes species that they have historically little connection with, but which they have a deep yearning desire to connect with -- like sheep!

    Sheep may be exotic to the Japanese, but they still find them instantly appealing, as though they have always wanted to be semi-nomadic pastoralists taking care of livestock herds. Or at least, to have *some portion* of their population engaged in that way of life, so they can live near sheep, visit sheep at petting zoos, and wear wool clothing, throw wool rugs on the floor, and hang wool tapestries on their walls.

    The Japanese must be a descendant group of the Hyperboreans. Due to historical circumstances, when they settled the Japanese islands, there weren't a lot of sheep or cows, and it would've been difficult to bring them along. But deep down, those pastoralist desires never went away -- they just fell into dormant status. Once their historical circumstances changed, and they could afford sheep and cows -- they immediately jumped up into the air in excitement, and began eating beef regularly and wearing fur accessories.

    Their Hyperborean memories were re-activated, woken up from their slumber of centuries... it brings a tear to your eye to see them reconnect with their roots, after such a long and unlucky separation, which could not be helped.

    Glorious Nippon, keeping the Hyperborean dream alive in civilized Asia!

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  131. OK, one final but totally unrelated Indo-Euro thing. I don't think it's Hyperborean, but haven't checked the Altaic and Tungusic groups...

    Bidets, or using streaming / flowing water to clean your private parts after excretion. Bidets have been popular in Europe for awhile, there's an Iranian and Indo-Aryan custom of using a ladle to scoop up water and then pour it down the center of the back for the same purpose. Nowadays the Iranians (and Indo-Aryans?) use a handheld water-sprayer similar to a shower head that can be detached from its holder and moved around by a hose-like connection to the source.

    And just like barbequed beef and fur collars, the Japanese have immediately adopted this technique, combining a bidet and a toilet into a single device.

    In the Saharo-Arabian sphere, it was / is common to deal with excretion by using only the left hand to wipe -- without toilet paper -- and never using the left hand for anything else. That's their form of ritual purity, after excretion.

    This is one domain where Americans have not followed the Indo-European tradition. We look at European bidets with condescension or disgust, and we look at Japanese toilet-bidet combinations as a weird device that "only the Japanese" would invent.

    And yet, every American who goes to Japan says they're awesome and we should adopt them here too. It would fit our Indo-Euro roots.

    Won't dwell on that topic any longer -- just noticed that a long time ago, but never felt like making it a standalone post. So while I'm on the broader topic of Indo-European practices, with a hard barrier at the Saharo-Arabian sphere, just thought I'd mention it in passing.

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  132. Damn, cuckservatives are going to STFU about inflation now that Trump owns it. Went to the supermarket today since I had a 50 cents off coupon for a dozen eggs, and I refuse to feed inflation by buying them at the permanently higher price. But maybe with the coupon, it's not too bad.

    For the past several months they were $3.29 -- too high, but with the coupon, OK, will do once in a blue moon. Their spreadsheet jockeys will see that I'm only willing to pay less than $3.

    Holy shit -- they're $4.59 not even a week later! No sale after all, then, suckers. I'm never eating eggs ever again, unless my next coupon is for 3 whole dollars off, lmao.

    This is not a yuppie store, it's Kroger. And it's the Kroger brand, not a yuppie organic free-range product.

    The egg cartel is 100% Republican, as is the entire agriculture sector. They will not be cutting you any breaks in reward for their candidate taking over the White House. They're going to use their party's grip on national power to rape the shit out of the common American, while the public still has some wealth left to steal. They're betting that there won't be any such opportunities to fleece and gouge in 5 to 10 years -- probably right about that.

    Some cuckservative voters will eat their $10 per dozen eggs and praise Dear Leader for the inflation. But most Trump voters are going to start turning on their own party's sectors, since they were expecting prices to stabilize or even go down -- at least in the sectors where it's Republican elites who set the prices.

    "B-b-but, they have to consider..." what the rest of us have to consider. Not an excuse. None of us have tripled our incomes, to keep up with the tripled prices of the past 4 years. So if we have to tighten our belts, they have to tighten theirs -- and accept lower profit margins, as a sign of mutualism and good faith.

    If they just want to pass higher costs along to us, then that's Darwinian law of the jungle rules. The public will follow that logic wherever it leads -- including treating agriculture elites in a "red in tooth and claw" fashion, to reciprocate the elite sentiment.

    Everyone saw how damning it was when Democrat Governor of California, Newsom, just threw his hands up in the air about what to do about the L.A. conflagration. Well, that'll be what the ag cartel does when asked about why prices aren't stabilizing or coming down.

    Couldn't have anything to do with the $3 trillion that Trump printed in 2020, could it? Nah, he would never have done that. It was the all the dummycrats' fault somehow.

    Well, we don't wanna hear any more excuses -- improve our quality of life, or we'll start subtracting from yours, in reciprocity.

    Gas at the pump better come back down to $2 a gallon like it was all during 2020, Trump's last year. Republicans control prices there, too. We tighten our belts, they tighten theirs -- or else the social contract is over, and it's Darwinian competition with no moral constraints on either side of the elite vs. commoner struggle for survival.

    Cuckservatives will shut their mouths about gas prices, too, for the same reasons. But unfortunately for the GOP elites whose dicks they suck (often, literally), the public isn't brainwashed by conservatard talking heads on Fox News or reacting avis on Twitter. We'll get our $2 a gallon gas -- one way or another.

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  133. This is the path toward warlordism, which will accompany the political decentralization that always attends imperial collapse.

    We isolated individuals of the general public can't do a whole hell of a lot to compel the ag cartel to give us $1.50 per dozen eggs, or the oil cartel to give us $2 per gallon gas. Forming a consumers' co-op / union? Maybe, but that takes too long, and we still need to eat -- can't go on an eating strike against every sub-field of agriculture, like I have been on against eggs.

    But our soaring discontent and the torn-up social fabric, while elites still live high on the hog, is not a stable equilibrium. We may not have a bottom-up revolution of consumers that forces the suppliers to give us fair prices again -- but we can become the subjects of warlords who *will* be able and willing to use force, blockades, etc. against the suppliers' cartels, in order to win us over as subjects.

    Warlords will become the new entrepreneurs, taking advantage of collapse and decentralization and polarization and populist discontent. They don't have legions of loyal followers and dependents now -- but they will, as the existing elite class throws us to the wolves and laughs about it.

    Maybe it'll be literal warlords, maybe it'll be organized crime rings like a new mafia, at the lowest and most desperate level it'll just be street gangs who pressure shopkeepers to accept fair prices or get their stores busted up.

    Whatever it takes, at this point -- I don't care. And nobody else does either. We're sick of this shit not only not ending, but getting worse by the month. The elites have done nothing for us for decades, only turned less mutualistic and more parasitic, less magnanimous and more spiteful and callous. So fuck 'em.

    The first sign of organized warlords, the public is gonna jump for joy -- FINALLY.

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  134. If the dumbass elites doubt this trajectory, just ask them what happened to the Roman Empire's patrician class during and after the collapse? They just kept raping the Roman plebs forever? No -- they got replaced by roving bands of nomads and warlords.

    And those nouveau riche warlords not only improved nutrition for the average Italian (as shown by skeleton heights getting taller during the Dark Ages). They built tons of new architecture open to the public, not just hoarding their wealth for decadent parties that did not include the public and did not leave any traces for the public to enjoy afterward.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombard_architecture

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  135. Controlled burning of the vagrant population, in the new warlord era. Like the flammable underbrush, you can never know exactly which sub-group is going to ignite -- or which particular vagrant is going to start a fire.

    Lacking any certainty, you just have to do it indiscriminately and randomly. Controlled burning, ahead of time, thin out the causative agents behind conflagrations, whether natural wildfires or arsonist vagrants.

    Is it unfair to target vagrants at random, before they've committed any overt bad act? Maybe, but fair schmair -- we've got a community to protect and steward into the future. If we have to torch a few dozen or hundred vagrants indiscriminately every now and again, so be it.

    Unlike the poor underbrush, which has to stay put, vagrants can always mosey on out of our community to a place where they won't be subjected to controlled burnings.

    So the Duke of Neo Los Angeles will decree.

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  136. Talking about collective interests is certainly under-practiced in this day and age, probably by design.

    If Elizabeth Warren, the DSA, Bernie, or anyone actually in power on the left side of the spectrum (which by and large doesn't care about the things neither they nor their direct clients pay for,) were capable of putting their public position in those terms....

    ...they might have won,
    ...or not nominated Kamala in the first place,
    ...or nominated Someone Other Than Biden,
    ...or not wholeheartedly accepted the cuck contingent and its Natsec parasites like Liz Cheney into their party.

    What explains this deficiency?

    Sadly, the Democrat Party is The Lawyer Party, aka The Party of Whoever Pays the Lawyers Most Consistently. Hence It Want Problems Always. It does not want predictable institutions easily decipherable by the public, or for citizens to take pride in their country over others, or for communities to come together for shared interests beyond those problems that lawyers can profit from.

    So we'll have to see if internal opposition and consumer revolts can do for egg prices what they did for video games.

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  137. Posting might be light for a few days or so, got stricken by what seems like a sinus infection, which is creating a headache around my eye that only somewhat responds to over the counter pain relief. It's also constricted / blocked my tear duct, so I have a runny / tear-y eye, too.

    I can do basic daily activities, but can't focus at all due to the headache, can't even watch an episode of a TV show (was going through Season 3 of Star Trek: TNG, on the good ol' original DVDs).

    If I were just a shitposter on Twitter, it would be no biggie. But having to connect two thoughts together, like I do here, just ain't gonna happen like this. Not even coming up with new stuff -- I already have plenty I want to say, just can't write it down.

    Am going to try to schedule an appt w/ an eye doctor ASAP. The blocked tear duct is bad enough, but this headache making it impossible to do my thing here is total bullshit.

    I called my mom about it, to see what she recommended. And just to talk to someone about it.

    And of course, cuddling with my fluffy guardian angel cat, sent from Heaven to look after me in person. Poor little big guy seems to be a little under the weather himself, though. We're doing our best to console each other.

    But we've made it through worse, and we'll help each other through this bout as well.

    This is why everyone is relying on pets now, btw, instead of people for social relationships -- they aren't subject to the dynamics of imperial collapse and social disintegration / refractory state / auto-immune disease like other people in this country are.

    They're still just as supportive and loyal and affectionate as they always have been. God bless them for being there for us -- and for opening themselves up to us being there for them in return.

    Why *would* a young person today get married instead of living with a pet? They sure aren't having kids or joining a social network of in-laws. Companionship was possible with other people pre-collapse in America. Now, most people figure, might as well not bother navigating the social scenes that are not only decaying but turning against the "self" cells as though they were "foreign" cells.

    But not the pets. They're decoupled from societal trends among people. Our own little reliable tribe of noble savages. ^_^

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  138. Saw this at the Red Scare reddit, which was just what I'd been looking for when I wrote about Kylie Minogue being a Manic Pixie Dream Girl several years ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSFDCmmsqEI

    Hits all the MPDG themes, nursing a sad sack who's down on his luck in love, being a confidante, healer, won't be there long-term -- just long enough to nurse him back to health, universal outlook (wanting to heal, in general) but also particular focus (on this one intriguing subject).

    Man, I miss the days when guys and girls could be each other's confidantes... very Gen-X kind of relationship. All those MPDG's-to-be who I grew up and went to school with, hung out with, spent hours talking on the phone with. Flirtatious but not sexual (the latter being more of a Boomer relationship), confiding without trauma-dumping (the latter being Millenniallllll), IDK how else to sum it up -- just go watch My So-Called Life. That was real! And it's only 1 season long, no excuses. Such a '90s moment, might not have been possible in other environments -- the End of Social History? Or at least, the End of Battle of the Sexes History?

    There were a handful of bitter has-been Second Wave man-hating feminazis in the '90s, but it really wasn't that feminazi of an era. It was at the low-point of social conflict and breakdown, exactly halfway between the two eruptions of circa 1970 and 2020, a la Peter Turchin's analysis of American history's social breakdown cycle that lasts 50 years (another peak circa 1920, 1870, missing one in 1820, and another circa 1770).

    If that's right, there WILL BE another time like that, but it'll be 25 years after the 2020 eruption, so the 2040s... and this time, occurring under imperial disintegration, not stagnation as in the 1990s. But still, young guys and girls will be getting along with each other like Adam and Eve and all those other innocent flower children in the Garden of Eden, acting as each other's confidantes -- without it being tainted by sex (at least, not per se). Those teenagers aren't even born yet -- they'll be born circa 2030. Lucky them, speaking from experience. We were blessed, and I am eternally and genuinely grateful for those girls. ^_^

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  139. Sidebar: that means there were previous times like the '90s, halfway between eruptions of social conflict and breakdown. Before the '90s, there were the 1940s -- that wholesome WWII era, notwithstanding film noir femme fatales (and notwithstanding neo-noir femme fatales in '90s movies). No feminazis, but also no girl-hating men. Everybody just joining up. I'd need to watch more movies or radio programs from that time, to see what their version of My So-Called Life was.

    That shows that it wasn't just "WWII brought us together" -- why didn't WWI bring us together? That was right at one of those eruptions of social conflict and chaos. Ditto for the Vietnam War circa 1970, or the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, in the 2010s. What few wars we did indulge in during the '90s, felt pretty unifying and not divisive. Gulf War, Serbian War. So, it was the background social mood that influenced our view of wars, not qualities of the wars per se.

    And before the 1940s were... the Gay Nineties. That would be the 1890s. Everyone felt nostalgic about them for decades afterward. Halfway between the Reconstruction era and WWI / Labor Revolution / Race War eras. IDK what their My So-Called Life was, but you can tell from the nostalgia for it, they must've related to each other that way back then.

    Not so sure about the 1840s, since they were not sandwiched between two eruptions -- the 1820s were the Era of Good Feelings, not one marked by social breakdown and conflict.

    But perhaps 25 years after the 1770s (American Revolution), would be the 1790s or around 1800. No clue what that climate was like, socially. Pre-Victorian, for sure. Post-Enlightenment, shading into the Romantic era... I can see them having My So-Called Life confidante-ships back then, too.

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  140. Seems like the Era of Good Feelings, the 1820s, was the halfway point of a lengthened phase of the cycle. The cycle is normally 50 years, with a 25-year midway point. But if, for whatever reasons, the cycle lengthened to 100 years, between eruptions circa 1770 and 1870, then its midway point would be 50 years between -- the 1820s, widely known as the Era of Good Feelings.

    So no need to investigate the 1790s.

    For whatever reason, the cycle's period doubled between 1770 and 1870, and the fact that the Era of Good Feelings came 50 years instead of 25 years after the 1770 eruption, proves that the cycle lengthened (by twice) during that go-round.

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  141. Anyway, back to Kylie the Confidante. She has the MPDG phenotype, too -- fertile waist-to-hip ratio, and butt girl rather than boob girl (which you can see better in this vid than her earlier or later vids). That was from '94, part of the restless phase of the 15-year excitement cycle, when the MPDGs come out. She's a late '60s birth, born in the manic phase of the cycle.

    But as for the whole package, music + lyrics, this will always be her MPDG anthem for me. Although as I wrote in the post below, it's more of a "lifeline for the drowning" genre, not the MPDG interaction just yet. But from the same type of personas, and typically born during a manic phase -- always there to help others out when they're down.

    This is from 2004, part of the vulnerable phase, but shading into the restless phase of 2005-'09, when the MPDG would come out like crazy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZp2bk4YHFY

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2021/12/lifeline-to-drowning-anthems-by-manic.html

    I'm pretty sure my cat was born during the manic phase of the cycle, in the early 2010s. But pets are decoupled from societal trends among people, through, right? Still an interesting coincidence. He's a male, so not an MPDG... but a guardian angel cat, for sure. Even more so than other cats I've known. With more personality than most people, these days...

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  142. If American ethnogenesis pushes Sahara-Arabian traits in order to distinguish themselves from Euro origins, then vegetable fats increase in prominence the further west one goes. America's best known vegetable fat is of course Peanut Butter, which we spread everywhere, with Almonds in second place.

    The Nomadic Pastoralist inclination of being Nobel savages pulls towards the Animal Fat side, despite the Euro sympathizing implication, creating the seesaw of alternating denunciation of either vegetable or animal fats.

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  143. Here's a great music video of Glorious Nippon in the Glowing '80s:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjPqyLpUeME

    Or the Golden Showa Era as many Japanese call it:

    https://www.kabinhotel.xyz/articles/showa-forever

    Here's a channel of other videos of Japan in the 1980s I thought you may like:

    https://www.youtube.com/@akaneokacitypop/videos

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  144. Kylie Minogue was not popular here between "Locomotion" in 1988 and "Can't Get You Out of My Head" from 2001. I never knew she went through an athletic PAWG phase in the '90s... we really missed out on something.

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  145. I meant to say that male friendships were also effortless back during the social harmony maximum of the '90s. We talked on the phone for hours, often about nothing -- sometimes playing video games (as in different games for each speaker), just shooting the bull. And had a lot more frequent convos IRL of course -- not due to the absence of internet technology, since we DID have the internet, and AOL's Instant Messenger function, which then was broken out into its own separate program. And email came with AOL, CompuServe, or whoever your provider was, from the outset.

    The idea that you would email one of your IRL friends was totally anathema in the '90s. We wouldn't even add our IRL friends to our AOL buddy list, let alone actually message back and forth with them. Why don't you just call them on the phone or hang out in person, dork?

    That started to change with AIM becoming its own program in the early 2000s, but I hardly ever used it. I don't think many people did, from my cohort. Maybe just to put up an away message letting people know where you are -- the precursor to the Facebook status update of a few years later. Or girls putting up some melancholy lyrics from a Counting Crows song, just cuz they were in their feels at the time...

    It was not like text-messaging back-and-forth. I've always hated texting, still rarely text. Voice or silence. Never owned a smartphone, never will -- and no, that doesn't make people "tech illiterate," we know the insides and outsides of the tech better than the swipers and scrollers and shitposters. Christ, even Millennials had to learn a little coding if they wanted to customize their MySpace profile...

    The point being, we had online messaging available to us in the '90s -- but refused to substitute that for IRL or telephone (meaning, opening your mouth and ears) convos. That would've been the most nerdiest, dorkiest, embarrassing thing in the world -- you'd have to kill yourself if someone found out.

    And the larger point being, social harmony not only made it easy to have confidantes across the sexes, but also within your side. Guys opening up to each other is SUCH a '90s phenomenon... even now, although that's what we imprinted on, it's all but impossible cuz the climate has changed so radically in the meantime. You wouldn't dare, these days -- until the 2040s arrive, anyway.

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  146. These trends were already visible during the '80s, especially the second half, since the cycle doesn't move in an all-or-nothing fashion. It was gradual, and by the late '80s it was nearing its maximum of circa 1995.

    All those John Hughes movies, the sentimentality, the earnestness, not having to wonder if you were crossing any invisible tripwires.

    I think that *did* reach a peak in literally 1995, not just circa. My So-Called Life aired from August of '94 through January of '95. And Clueless came out in '95. Most people who imprinted on them at the time, and probably Zoomers watching them for the first time now, would think the stuff from the later '90s was cheesier or campier compared to '94-'95.

    Not that the late '90s was a polar-opposite change immediately -- but the beginning of a long gradual shift away from the maximum of 1995.

    Already by 2004 with Mean Girls, you can sense how much paranoia had arisen among young people, how you have to be on your guard, suspicious, how there are invisible tripwires everywhere, your so-called friends are really your frenemies, they'll cancel you in a heartbeat and you'll be socially exiled, etc. Just the title of the movie shows how much things had changed.

    It wasn't just cool being a teen in the '90s, it was so stress-free and harmonious, comparatively speaking. And I think we did know how good we had it, even at the time. I don't remember a widespread attitude about how much it sucks being a teen, hating our fellow schoolmates, or any of that emo attitude that would only show up during the 2000s and after.

    An emo kid from 2005, transported back to 1995, would've been ridiculed as an anti-social weirdo and poser, and asked "What crawled up YOUR butt and died?"

    But the teens of 1995 wouldn't know that in 2005, the social climate had 10 years of distancing from its maximum of harmony, which the '95 teens were blissfully living through. Let alone how paranoid teens would be 10 years after that in 2015 -- ay yay yay.

    But here we are, 10 years later still -- and it's not as bad as it was for teens in 2020. It's probably back to 2015 levels, and the trend is in the more harmonious direction, which makes them feel even better -- whereas in 2015, the trend was in the less harmonious direction, which is demoralizing.

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  147. The peak season of MTV's The Real World was in '94, season 3. The one with Puck and Rachel (who went on to marry a closeted Republican politician, who had also been on The Real World -- how very Gen-X conservative of her).

    So maybe we'll say the maximum was evenly split between '94 and '95.

    I still remember those years like they were yesterday, and yes, it did feel like a flower-child utopia even at the time. Certainly looking back after all the insane conflict and paranoia since then -- not just the political stuff, I mean how teens relate to each other socially and culturally, when they can't even vote.

    I think if I were persuaded to get married, it would have to be to my girl best-friend from that time. Not just cuz she's a hottie that everyone wanted, but we really bonded in a way that simply isn't possible these days, between people of any cohort.

    She always did say she wanted to work for the CIA when she grew up... what a small world it would be if she turned out to be the one assigned to read this blog for subversive activity.

    Who says opposites don't attract? ^_^

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  148. And of course the social harmony extends to all relationships, like those inside the school environment aside from student-student. All those '90s yearbook videos I reviewed last year, where everyone is part of a single great big happy family, including the teachers, admins, secretaries, lunch ladies, security guards, literally everyone.

    The previous eruption of social chaos circa 1970 saw the students and teachers facing off against each other, occupying the building, etc. And ditto for 2020 -- but since 2020 took place under neoliberal hell, it was stacked more in favor of the wannabe authoritarian teachers, who were the absolute worst of the Covid hysteria tyranny. And lecturing their kids on their original sin of being white, etc. It was not 15 year-olds lecturing the teachers about white privilege -- it was Millennial teachers barking at their helpless students.

    I keep relating the story of when I dyed my hair purple in 8th grade in '94-'95, eventually got indefinitely suspended for it by the mega-bitch principal, and after having to re-dye it normal, I just couldn't let it stand. Their reason was "disruption to the learning process" -- so I printed up a simple questionnaire that asked "Have you noticed a disruption to the learning process, due to Agnostic's unusual hair color?" And a space for their signature, and a space for comments at the bottom.

    Every single teacher of mine signed it, and signed it saying "No, no disruption". I didn't even have to hand it in to the mega-bitch principal -- word of it must've already gotten to her office that this guy isn't fucking around, just let him dye his hair or you'll get your ass handed to you if he sues. I had no intention of suing, just wanted to make it known that the admin was flagrantly bullshitting me.

    None of those teachers were required to defend me, and I did not pressure them or glare at them or anything -- I just approached them honestly and sincerely, and they responded likewise. They protected me from the power-tripping principal.

    I won! I dyed the lower-half of my hair purple again, just to remind the principal that I had won, the teachers sided with me, and her bullshit excuse wouldn't fly.

    She soon transferred to a high school, and I met a friend of a friend who went there a few years later -- she was still the same power-tripping anti-white mega-bitch, turning a blind eye to black violence (she was black), and drumming up the flimsiest of charges against the white kids.

    Well, in 1970 or 2020, the woketard bitch principal would have won -- but in 1995, she lost. Teacher-student harmony was paramount, and having purple hair was not anti-teacher or disruptive to the learning process or whatever else. Jesus Christ, just let the kid dye his hair, we're not going to blow up our relationships with the kids over this, are we?

    Teachers were so much better back then. Preserving order was more important than enabling the power-trippers. Much to be learned for today's wannabe authority figures...

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    1. The lady whom people like to cite for the "white, male privilege" meme was a Silent Gen-er born in 1934!:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_McIntosh

      For that matter, the Silent Generation has played a massive under-recognized role in creating wokeness.

      Microaggressions - Chester Pierce (1927-2016); Derald Wing Sue (b. 1940)

      Multicultural Education - James Banks (b. 1941)

      Critical Pedagogy - Michael W. Apple (b. 1942); Henry Giroux (b. 1943)

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  149. To state it succintly, power-tripping is one of the greatest threats to stability, order, cohesion, and harmony. It is individualist, centering the power-tripper, so it threatens what is collectivist -- stability, order, etc., which are properties of a collective, not an individual.

    But wasn't I also being hyper-individualist, by dying my hair purple? No, that's just a personal choice like all sorts of other things that distinguished one individual student from another at the school. We didn't have to wear uniforms, eat the exact same meals, etc.

    But it was outside of the range of everyone else -- I was the only person with dyed hair. This was way before it was common to dye your hair. I was imitating the alterna-rock figures who were popular at the time.

    And so, it was not anti-social -- my fellow students recognized it as, "Oh, he's trying to be one of those alterna-rocker types". Cool, or not-so-cool, depending on whether they were also into alterna music -- but none of them interpreted it as an attack on them, a violation of their own code, a threat to their way of life, etc. They were also hooked on MTV and were either neutral or positive about Nirvana, etc. And even if they didn't care for it, well, that's just differing tastes, not a source of hostility and conflict requiring war to settle.

    And the teachers must have felt the same. "Kids these days, with their alternative rock, that's just the cool thing they do now, in our day it would've been showing up to school with long hair as a guy -- remember that? They're not doing it to provoke us, test our authority, or insult us -- they're just doing whatever the cool thing du jour is, it has nothing to do with antagonizing us. So don't worry about it."

    I know it sounds totally obvious when you spell it out, but it's such a different climate to how things have devolved into in the decades since, and have only very recently begun to halt and reverse.

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  150. One of those teachers who defended me did not care for me as a student otherwise. I just didn't like that class much, half-assed the work -- and yet, accepted the mediocre grade I got in return, not the pathetic grade-grubbing that Millennials are infamous for. But she just didn't like that I was half-assing her class, was stern in personality, and was probably on the culturally conservative side, so didn't side with alterna aesthetics du jour...

    But she had integrity and put that aside, rather than lie and say "Yes, my class is being disrupted by this young man's purple hair" just to stick it to me.

    I still respect her for that, she wasn't already in my corner at all. It's called being a mature order-preserving grown-up, not a power-tripping mental adolescent who has somehow been given control over an entire school like the mega-bitch principal.

    The good ol' days...

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  151. Tying into the failed attempt at populism from the ever-Reaganite GOP, anyone who says you should work harder for a falling standard of living is a power-tripper, or a mouthpiece / political puppet of a power-tripper who controls them.

    They, and their puppets, are some of the greatest threats to stability, order, cohesion, and harmony right now -- and their eradication is necessary for our collapsing society to bite the imperial dust in a soft way rather than a hard way.

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  152. Back in 1995, I reminded the mega-bitch principal that authority / obedience is a two-way street -- if the wannabe authority figure devolves into a power-tripper, the person asked to obey will simply rebel, maybe become defiant in more ways than originally. (And again, I was not being defiant, toward my fellow students or the teachers, by copying what the cool cultural figures were doing.)

    Who is going to remind the far worse proliferation of power-trippers in 2025? Luigi Mangione seems to have gotten the ball rolling, and it'll only get worse until the power-trippers relent and prioritize order and stability over their chaos-inducing petty authoritarian bullshit.

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    1. The original purpose of mass education has always been indoctrination and social control dating right back to 18th Century Prussia as a great new book details:

      https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691261270/raised-to-obey?srsltid=AfmBOoqMUElonqTvvw16pEVMZha9WQ7aPDVxDCyncQ2sg0NVha-oDm7k

      https://today.ucsd.edu/story/mass-education-was-designed-to-quash-critical-thinking

      In this sense, Michel Foucault (school has the same disciplinary function as a prison), Paulo Freire (the "banking theory of education" is evil and oppressive), and bell hooks (parents and adults regularly abuse children in order to get them to obey) were actually kind of right.

      It's just how elites and fanatics interpret them that is the problem.

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  153. Well them all being libtards means they're viewing it from an anti-authoritarian framework, where any kind of hierarchy or authority / obedience relationship is bad, rather than only the abusive forms being bad.

    Schools are just part of the enculturation process. Indoctrination, meaning "conveying the beliefs and practices of the culture" is fine, bringing up children to fit into the culture rather than be misfits.

    It doesn't mean forcefully hammering absurd lies into their head against their will and protests -- that's just propaganda about what our geopolitical rivals do to their subjects, which we saintly folk would neeeever do to our own.

    And "social control" just means making sure society is an orderly stable harmonious collective -- not aiming guns at square pegs to force them into round holes, or whatever other propaganda we project onto our rivals.

    The bad forms are where there's no give-and-take, no good faith, no reciprocity, no benefit after paying the cost, no upholding both ends of the social contract, etc.

    So if some Millennial woketard teacher in 2020 is thundering about how all you little white male heterosexual shits were born with the stain of privilege, and you need to either hand it over or it will be forcibly taken from you by the morality police -- that's not exactly serving to integrate those kids into the society and culture, is it? It's the opposite -- ostracizing them, shaming them, demoralizing them.

    Those teachers' glib, callous, resentful, privation-worshiping message of "let the straight white guys eat cake" ought to be repaid with "off with their heads!" behavior from the students. They certainly deserve it.

    For that matter, failed ideologial jannies on the right-wing who thunder their own flavor of "let them eat cake" at their own supposed side, ought to be off-with-their-heads'd as well. Respect, loyalty, authority, are all a two-way street. One side breaks it off, the other side is no longer bound by its obligations -- simple as that.

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  154. Sadly for the failed populist Trump-focused movement, though, the right-wing is the dead-end sclerotic dominant party of the Reaganite / neoliberal era. They can't change even if they wanted to -- and most of them don't even want to, at this point. They've not only given up, but returned to enslaving themselves to their abusers.

    Can you imagine Democrat voters dutifully listening to Chapo Trap House if they started saying society owes you nothing, no matter how much you support the liberal movement and its politicians the most they'll give you is an empty promise about "opportunities" rather than deliverable results? Bullshit!

    Left-wing podcasters are correctly more concerned about how psycho or angry their fans get, cuz their fans are not fucking around -- they want the real, tangible, material improvements to their lives, not third-rate "entertainment" with politically polarized branding.

    Right-wing media gleefully lash out at their audience cuz they know they're 90% a bunch of slave-morality cucks who at most will try to ratio them on Twitter, while their GOP donor checks keep right on a-rollin' in.

    But that 10% who are not cucked will end up saying to their influencers, "When your betrayal forces us to defect to the Bernie Sanders movement -- you'll be the first against the wall." And those guys *are* gun nuts, unlike most Bernie bros.

    "Maybe if you simply WORKED HARDER at dodging that bullet, you'd still be going live tomorrow!"

    I wouldn't put it past them (again, only 10% of them, but that's a big enough chunk).

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  155. For noobs, young 'uns, and others who have no memories of the full-steam-ahead phase of neoliberalism during the '80s and '90s -- one of the key weasel words is "opportunity / ies", "chance", and other non-committal high-risk high-uncertainty responsibilizing bullshit terms.

    Society owes its subjects cold hard material provisions and protections -- not the opportunity to live away from gang violence, or the chance to not have to dumpster-dive expired milk in your 40s.

    It owes them the cold hard promise of living in a gang-free neighborhood, the cold hard promise of eating red meat every dinner -- and eggs at breakfast! -- without having to shave off some other part of your monthly or annual expenses.

    If your rulers are not delivering those promises, then they have failed as rulers and must be fired and replaced by rulers who *can* deliver. Simple as that -- nobody is entitled to a managerial or authority position. They are there contingent upon protecting and providing for their subjects or dependents. A temporary failure, could be a fluke, maybe it'll be forgiven in good faith.

    But over 40 years of escalating privation, abandonment, and fleecing? Not a fluke -- they have abdicated their role, so they are not entitled to being treated as rulers or authorities. And given how parasitic they have become upon the general public -- not just abdicating and going to watch football all day long, no harm / no foul -- they deserve to be eradicated in the interest of the host's health.

    Imagine a parent offering their child the "opportunity" to have a nice meal for dinner, and maybe it'll happen and maybe it won't, but if you WORK HARD enough at the task at hand, by the sweat of your brow, you'll enjoy a nice meal at the end of the day. And if you find yourself not enjoying that nice meal, well then it must be your own fault, and whatever failures you committed are now coming back to bite you in the ass, karmic justice-style. You reap what you sow.

    Imagine a parent offering their child "a fair chance" at not getting mugged by thugs in the neighborhood. Maybe you will get mugged, maybe you won't, but I'll do my best to give you a fighting chance, a fair shake, a solid opportunity to avoid getting mugged by the local gang. If you avoid getting mugged, you can thank me later for giving you that opportunity. If you do get mugged, well I did the best I could, it's your own fault for failing to achieve the opportunity I laid out for you on a silver platter.

    Rulers, authorities, etc., play a similar role of parents over dependents -- not just young ones either, but a wife, the elderly relatives, etc. If the best they could do is offer no-strings-attached opportunities, chances, and shakes -- then ditch your parents, kill them if necessary, and find capable foster parents. Or live at your best friend's house, who has stable unconditional-loving, protect-and-provide parents.

    Functional families don't even talk about their mutual obligations in terms of opportunities, responsibilizing the other party if they wind up without the provision or protection. Only a disfunctional one would. And the Reaganite / neoliberal Republican party, movement, etc., could not be more of a textbook case of a disfunctional and abusive family. Their leaders are gonna get Menendez'ed so fast, it'll make ya head spin!

    High-risk, uncommittal opportunities / etc. are only worth anything *on top of* a handsome guaranteed base pay. You star in this movie, you get a base pay of X dollars, and 10% of merchandise sales -- so if the movie is a big hit, and sells shitloads of merch, you'll really be raking in the dough. But if it bombs, you're still covered in your base pay, and won't starve or go homeless or never be able to take a vacation.

    Until the other side ponies up the solid respectable base pay, tell them to eat shit about opportunities, chances, and shakes.

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  156. In the Reaganite American Dream, all you're entitled to as an American is the opportunity to compete against 1,000 other rivals for every 1 open slot in the economy.

    If that were anything more tangible than an empty promise, we'd take it and shove it right up your ass.

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  157. The post-American warlord era cannot come soon enough, Jesus Christ. Look at all this dessicated hollowed-out husk-only detritus strewn all around the upper stratum of the social pyramid. It's only gonna take the slightest spark, and it'll all burn away in an instant, to be regrown over with an entirely new species.

    And make no mistake, most people will not care about whether they get to be the warlord or the subject -- they just want the stable, prosperous, orderly collective unit, regardless of where they wind up in it.

    The Lombards brought peace, stability, order, public works, art and architecture, and all sorts of other patronage to Dark Age Italy, after Italian commoners had seen virtually nothing from the Roman elites since the Crisis of the 3rd Century collapsing stage.

    Roman culture had already been inspired, birthed, and matured by the 2nd C -- the decadent collapsing stage added nothing to it, and even wiped out or exhausted a good chunk of what had already been created before them.

    The Germanic warlords might not have revived that earlier Roman glory, but at least they gave their subjects something of societal value -- good diets leading to taller heights, protection from any new invaders (and against internal brigands), public infrastructure, monumental architecture, cultural cohesion albeit focused on a new religion (buildings, songs, holidays / rituals, rites of passage, etc.), and so on and so forth.

    And they didn't even impose their own Germanic culture on their subjects! No one spoke Germanic in Italy, no one adopted Germanic paganism, at most some of the Italians adopted Germanic names -- as a grateful tribute to their benefactors who had saved them from the chaotic hell of the collapsing-era Roman Empire.

    In America, the stereotypical Italian male given name is "Guido", used figuratively to refer to any Italian-American. That comes from Old High German "Wido" meaning "wood / forest" -- they didn't just pick any ol' Germanic name, but one specifically focusing on their new overlords' noble savage origins, rather than emulate high civilization Greek names.

    Depending on which ethnic group rescues the collapsing-era American Empire into its decentralized rump-state warlord era, our posterity could have very different popular names than we have had during our imperial Americana stage...

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  158. Instead of borrowing Germanic names, which would be too close of a recapitulation of Roman / Italian history, I hope we get rescued by the Iranians, and that we get non-Arabic Iranian names -- long-ago noble savage names like Rostam and Golnaz.

    Those do sound like old school Germanic, cuz both are old school Indo-European style names. But we're American, so we need to do things differently from Europe.

    Rostam the Barbarian, with his voluptuous Queen Golnaz by his side. And their bronze-skinned regal portrait painted in imitation of Frank Frazetta. Heheh.

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    1. America will probably get taken over by Mexican cartels and other Latin American gangs like MS-13 and Tren de Aragua and then Americans will end up adopting names like Mateo and Santiago.

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  159. Anna Khachiyan should start a rumor that her first name is really just an informal, assimilating nickname -- whose full form is actually Anahit, to amp up her Armo exotitude. That's a very old school Armenian name, after an ancient goddess of fertility, water, healing, and wisdom. Closely related to Persian Anahita, which she could go with as well, if she wants that extra-feminine final-a sound, since she said the Armo side is via Iran anyway.

    I think it sounds pretty, and regal, and pagan -- she's not into playing up the "Armenians were the first Christian state" angle while courting right-wingers or trads. Play up the pagan Indo-European angle, then. ^_^

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  160. Also, I noticed and flipped through this book at a used bookstore that she would love, it was a bit much for someone with only casual interest, but if she wants to explore her Armo roots, especially in art and architecture (though there's plenty of writing on society and culture as well):

    https://naasr.org/products/armenians-2000-years-of-art-a

    There are used copies for much less, too, on Abebooks and elsewhere.

    I do recall checking to make sure that it was printed in a first-world country, not China or wherever. The publisher is in Paris, so perhaps there, but if not, then Italy, America, Japan, somewhere good.

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  161. While I wait for this brain tumor to work its way out of my head (at least the constant headache is gone), I'll keep on '90s youth culture posting, since that's easy enough to do without having to think or do much research -- I lived it.

    I mentioned it before, but I'll reiterate for emphasis -- ALLLLLL the pretty popular preppy girls took an interest in me when I dyed my hair purple. Partly cuz, like everyone else, they were at least somewhat into alterna -- and here was someone bringing the alterna coolness that you could only see on MTV, into their own suburban middle school. Cool!

    But also partly cuz they knew I stood a chance of getting hassled by The Man, or The Wo-Man as the case may be. "What if they tell you, you can't do that????!?!?!!?!"

    Oh I'm not afraid of that...

    *turning to each other*

    "Did you hear that???!?!?! He said he's not afraid!!!!!! :)))))))))))"

    Then when the harassment and showdown, and eventual victory against the mega-bitch principal took place -- that only cemented the bad boy appeal. ^_^

    It wasn't just standing up for myself, at personal risk, to the head authority figure of our institution -- it was doing so to defend what was right, to defeat a petty pathetic power-tripper. Only some girls dig the sociopathic amoral kind of bad boys, like serial killers. This was a heroic battle for righteous vengeance against the evil old wicked witch!

    Her being some bitter resentful old hag amped up the bad boy appeal even more -- nobody is worse towards teenage girls than that type of person. The principal as their surrogate wicked stepmother -- "guh-ROSS, someone put this BITCH in her PLACE, for REAL!"

    Don't mind if I do, girls.... don't mind if I do....

    And that's where my girl BFF came from, she was one of them, but we really clicked and bonded beyond the initial odd couple curiosity.

    She was a daddy's girl, too, BTW. A cool chick. She didn't hate or resent her mom or anything, but she was definitely a daddy's girl.

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  162. So that was a clear sign, as the events were unfolding, that I was not acting in an anti-social, antagonistic, etc. sort of way. I was drawing people to my side without even making an effort -- they just clicked with purple hair during the heyday of alterna culture. No surprise, really.

    The teachers may have taken longer to size up what I was doing vis-a-vis them, but I was never nasty to my teachers. I was a decent student in middle school, and back then the students and teachers were on the same side as a great big happy family. Once they could tell I wasn't trying to spit in their face or whatever, they just wrote it off like "Well, I guess that's just the cool thing for young people to be doing these days, much like long hair on guys back when we were their age."

    And some of them probably vibed with purple hair, too -- like my young attractive English teacher, who I was so lucky enough to have for 2 of my 3 years there. She dressed a little risque herself at times -- we could always tell she'd been making out the night before and must have had a hickey, when she came to school in a turtleneck that was conspicuously tall on her neck. Highly unusual for teachers to wear, even an English teacher, even a young one -- but not if she was gettin' lovey-dovey.

    She probably heard us giggling and whispering about it, too. But it was all in good fun -- it was like in the old sit-coms when two people kissed, and the crowd went "woooooo-OOOOOOOOOO-ooooo!!!!!" It was innocent and wholesome, we weren't actually imagining her naked or anything.

    Context is crucial. And in that context, purple hair was not anti-social, antagonistic, socially splintering, or anything like that. If anything, it brought us more together during the heyday of alternative!

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  163. That English teacher was married, BTW, and in her early 30s IIRC. She wasn't out clubbing with randos the night before. But Boomers used to get hot and heavy when they were married, even with the kids around. She was no exception.

    In fact, I think one time she came in with a large square band-aid on her neck.... something really obvious like that, was what initially tipped us off. Like, you're a woman, you don't shave your neck, and you didn't get into an accident or anything, so... what exactly are you hiding under there?

    Someone must've known what this strategy was about from an older sister or something, and started telling everyone else. Aha! Teacher was getting kissy-kissy on her necky-necky, eh????!!! ^_^

    It was so easy to be scandalized back in the '90s, but always in a wholesome way. I really miss that camaraderie we had with the teachers, not only the attractive young women either.

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  164. So what *was* an example of us being more anti-social, weird, desecrating something sacred, violating a taboo, being gross, and so on. Weird instead of cool.

    Well, also around that time Axl Rose became momentarily infamous for wearing a t-shirt with Charles Manson's picture on it (the serial killer / cult leader), and "Charlie don't surf" written on the back. Since we, and the whole rest of the country, were into Guns N Roses, we figured "why not wear the same shirt as him?"

    These were difficult to find, IDK if even Spencer's Gifts in the mall carried them, or if we had to order them by mail through one of those heavy metal magazines, that had the array of band shirts in the back pages and info on how to order. That was the real underground stuff! Not available in stores!

    Somehow several of us got ahold of these shirts and wore them openly to school one day. The Assistant Principal (male, Hispanic -- Mexican IIRC) absolutely flipped out at us in the cafeteria during lunch time, maybe before then too if he saw us in the halls. We weren't suspended or anything, but he made us turn them inside out, cover them up with a zipped-up jacket, etc., so that Charles Manson's face was not visible.

    All 3 or 4 of us had to do this, and although we staged a momentary protest against it, about how it's bullshit, you can't tell us what to wear, etc., he was still flipping out --

    DON'T YOU KNOW WHO THAT IS???!!!!

    DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID???!?!!!?!!!

    HOW CAN YOU PUT THAT MAN'S FACE ON YOUR SHIRTS??!?!?!?!!!

    WHERE DID YOU SEE THIS?! WHERE DID YOU EVEN GET THEM??!?!?!!

    Etc. He was visibly shaken up, and could not unwind for 30-60 minutes, until he'd put out the fire. It was a very palpably different emotional reaction than the glib annoying power-tripping bitch behavior of the principal when she told me to get rid of the purple hair. Charles Manson's face on a t-shirt was clearly more of a threat to the moral order and structure of the school, at least according to the Assistant Principal -- but he would know.

    I'm not sure if we asked around to the teachers, but if we did, I don't remember getting the same endorsement of "free speech and expression" or whatever. Whatever they said, they probably conveyed to us that it was tasteless, offensive, desecrating, and so on. And that it made them feel uncomfortable -- which is what something weird, not cool, does to the teachers.

    And presumably to our fellow students, but they were ignorant like we were about who he was, the magnitude and sickness of his crimes, how it was tied into a weird cult as well. But if they knew what he'd done, they probably would've given us the cold shoulder like the teachers did, who were already familiar with the late '60s, having lived through it.

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  165. And so we obeyed, covered up the Manson face t-shirts, and never wore them to school again. IDK if we even bothered wearing them outside school -- probably now and again, but they weren't staples of our wardrobe like the Nirvana, AC/DC, or other band shirts.

    The Asst. Principal's reaction actually persuaded us, conveyed how warped and disgusting what we were doing was -- trying to glamorize or valorize a sick twisted serial killer cult leader. OK, OK, we get the point -- he wasn't just a badass lead singer of a rock band who bites the heads off of bats kind of guy. He was someone it was better to eliminate from Planet Earth. We won't wear the stupid shirts again...

    He didn't give a reason, but he was clearly appealing to a rule about "no obscenity, profanity, pornography, etc. on your clothing". Based on upholding what is pure and sacred, against attempts to profane or desecrate or violate or corrupt it.

    Purple hair, at least back then, was not obscene or profane in any way -- Manson's face on a shirt was.

    This shaded into the whole Satanic Panic phenomenon, but we never really LARP-ed as Satanists, although as alterna / heavy metal fans, we did draw the occasional pentagram on our school binders, or anarchy symbol, or maybe an upside-down cross.

    We never got much pushback on that, cuz America was not very Christian in the '90s, and has never had a state religion. But those were just throwaway gestures anyway, we didn't make Satanic symbols into an entire sub-cultural identity like the wannabe cult followers and devil worshiping LARP-ers did.

    And we never escalated to the provocative disgusting attack on purity like Piss Christ. We could've had that screened onto a t-shirt, or drawn doodles of Jesus in a mocking or sacrilegious manner -- but I don't recall that every happening.

    Because America isn't a very Christian country, there isn't much edgy value in attacking Jesus or Christianity in the first place. But to the extent there was, we weren't interested in that anyway -- we wanted to be cool, not weird. We wanted to get our fellow students excited and want to be our friends, not creep them out and keep them at bay.

    In fact, out of that whole alternative scene, I think the only negative song about Jesus was Nirvana's Unplugged performance, where they played "Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sunbeam". But the tone is more downcast and rejected, like he doesn't consider you worthy enough, and on account of that, you don't have to go to bat for him in whatever way. But the melancholy tone makes it sound like you really *did* want his approval, *did* want him to choose you for a sunbeam, but feel sad and lonely and demoralized and depressed after he rejected you (as a misfit, or whatever the reason supposedly was).

    It's not really an "F you, Jesus" or "Just stay out of my room, OK Jesus?!" king of song. Not anti-authoritarian. Not desecrating, sacrilegious, profane, obscene, etc. More like dwelling on doubts about your worth in Jesus' eyes, and feeling blue if he spurned you, but maybe if you act performatively self-pitying while calling out his name, he'll take notice and want you for a sunbeam after all --

    "Jeez, didn't know it meant that much to you? Why didn't you say so? OK, sunbeam status: granted! No need to get so down in the dumps, kid..."

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  166. Not a hateful, antagonistic, desecrating, profane, obscene, etc. kind of tone and delivery:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVjeYbRmkQ4

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  167. I already went over the whole divide between cool vs. weird, and when weird began to rise at the expense of cool, earlier in this thread:

    https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2024/12/the-indo-european-ness-of-ashkenazi.html?showComment=1735504666468#c7397555191599147719

    So I'll just reiterate that it was during the second half of the '90s when this began, like crazy with Marilyn Manson -- there's that iconic devil figure again, but this time in the band name, to glamorize it by pairing it with another iconic American figure, Marilyn Monroe, famous for her glamor.

    That was the first big sign that the delicate balance of '94-'95 was over, and now the social mood would begin heading in a more antagonistic, less harmonious direction for several decades. And boy did it. Hating your fellow students, looking down on them, wanting to throw something in their face just to piss them off, to desecrate something they hold sacred, to gross them out on purpose for sadistic torturing indulgence, and assert your own superiority -- that was already there with emo in the mid-to-late 2000s. And even more so during the "kill all normies" 2010s.

    That is starting to turn around now. If you're a Millennial who grew up on finding the goriest or weirdest or most cursed videos on the internet in the 2000s -- that whole approach to youth culture is over.

    Things will be heading in a more norm-core direction, not thinking sacrilegiousness is desirable or cool... and maybe starting to use that word again, "cool" instead of weird, cursed, cringe-in-a-good-way, and so on.

    The late 2000s still had words like "sick" and "epic", which were in the same family as "cool" -- and not related to "weird". But they were getting eclipsed by weird. Now, finally, cool will come back -- not anything new, that's all lame, but cool vintage stuff, whether it's movies, clothing, music, furniture, whatever.

    It'll take awhile for the vibe shift to be really noticeable, of course, but that's where it's heading anyway, toward a new peak of coolness and sincerity in the 2040s. Uplifting to think about -- our long national nightmare of irony-poisoning will soon be over. ^_^

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  168. There was one guy in our friend circle at the time who *was* into the Cult of Crap, ahead of its time. I'm pretty sure he was into Marilyn Manson, whose first album, Portrait of an American Family, had just come out in '94. Also into Nine Inch Nails of the time, since that was felt to be the closest to the established big acts who could lead the way forward on the path of weird over cool (e.g., the music video for "Closer").

    Deliberately destroyed / crappy / sloppy clothes (like long shorts that were just slacks cut off at the knee and left with unfinished seams at the bottom), greasy unkempt hair... not too out of the norm for the alternative era. But also wore ugly, smudged eyeliner or other make-up -- not in a drag queen way, just to look weird, off-putting, and ugly, and trying to debase beauty products into ugliness products.

    Always using speaking time in English class to rail against "blindly following tradition" (a repeated phrase from him). Holding nothing sacred, violating it at will.

    Warped / weird / body-horror / disgusting sense of humor or intrusive thoughts -- period blood, imagining his fellow 14 year-old male students looking "pregnant", etc.

    He... did not draw tons of fellow students wanting to be his friend, or jump on the cultural bandwagon he wanted to lead. Not guys, not girls.

    He was nice enough, we kept him in our friend group, but he was definitely the weird one, and had to be treated as his own case, not really one of us. I'm sure the others who interacted with him felt the same way -- trying to humor him, tolerate him, help him out, etc., but not wanting to get close to him emotionally, or follow his lead.

    Fortunately he did not turn out to be a serial killer or school shooter -- but he did end up jumping off a roof to his death near the end of high school (he had transferred somewhere else from the rest of us, and I only heard about this well after it happened, from a friend who knew people at his new school).

    And he was gay, semi-openly during 8th grade (maybe he claimed he was "bi", I forget).

    He was very avant-garde for the mid-'90s, and would've been the new normal by the 2010s. But at the time, the climate was totally the opposite, and sought to defuse and contain him and his whole ethos and outlook and approach to social-cultural things. Yes, even among liberals and other tolerant, progressive, pro-abortion future Democrat voters.

    They didn't enable weirdness, they sought to contain it and keep it from warping the culture -- and not by thundering at him about what a degenerate freak he was, etc. But still making it clear that they were going to keep an emotional distance, and try to politely nod-and-smile, rather than indulge or enable his anti-social anti-normie tendencies.

    It was a time of maximum harmony, after all -- even in clamping down on threats to the order, it was still done in an inclusive and defusing way. He wasn't ostracized into being a black sheep at school. He had a group to sit with at the cafeteria lunch table.

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  169. The polar opposite approach obtains in the maximum chaos climate -- threats to the Cult of Crap are bitterly and callously cast aside, ostracized, deprived of basic rights and material provisions, witch-hunted, tarred-and-feathered. God help you if you weren't a 1000% woketard tranny faggot in 2018...

    The woketards didn't say, "Well, he's not really one of us desecrators, but we'll try to include him anyway, defuse his anti-weird tendencies, politely humor him, etc." It was just, "Oh, you don't support gay marriage? You don't believe a flimsy cloth mask can stop nano-virus particles? Have him fired, and burn down his house."

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  170. And so we see the cyclical dynamics of harmony vs. chaos, or tolerance vs. intolerance. The fitness of either strategy is frequency-dependent --

    If everyone around you is tolerant and harmonious, you can spread your intolerant and fracturing strategy -- cuz the majority will humor you, tolerate you, etc., rather than stamp you out.

    That leads to the intolerant and fracturing group taking over more and more of the social-cultural environment.

    However, this does not last forever, as we are already seeing by the mid-2020s vs. the 2010s and early 2020s.

    When the intolerant and fracturing strategy becomes very common, it no longer pays to follow that strategy -- cuz at that point, you're pushing the frequency of this destructive strategy above some critical threshhold, and the whole goddamn society will blow up if it gets any more frequent. You get "paid" zero if the whole society implodes and nobody is left with anything.

    So, seemingly all of a sudden, some people start adopting the tolerant and harmonious strategy again, for the first time in a long while. Either people who were intolerant switch to tolerant, or intolerants become fossilized into the older age cohorts, and the younger cohorts replacing them are more and more filled with tolerants.

    That brings society away from the precipice of social self-destruction. Material, political, military, economic -- well, that's another matter. Those are independent, based on where they are in the imperial lifespan, which is very long-term, not these 50-year cycles of social harmony vs. chaos. I'm just talking about how people relate to each other socially and culturally.

    Gradually more and more people adopt the tolerant and harmonious strategy, until it reaches a new maximum.

    But over that time, the original motive for the strategy was lost and forgotten -- that moment when the super-frequent intolerant strategy nearly blew up the entire social order. By the time intolerance is at a new minimum, the new cohorts weren't even born during the last eruption of chaos, so they figure, "Meh, what's the worst that could happen if I become intolerant and fractious, rather than tolerant and harmonious like everyone else around me right now?"

    And then the cycle repeats itself all over again.

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  171. For the applied math types, we can tell that there's a cubic nullcline somewhere in the set of differential equations that model these periodic behaviors. It's not the "game theory 101" example of hawks vs. doves, to model cooperation vs. conflict, where there's a steady state that is some percent hawks and the rest doves, and that's just how it stays.

    When the intolerant and fracturing strategy began rising in the late 1990s, why didn't the tolerant and harmonious majority respond by saying, "Wait a second, this is going to get out of control -- we humored them for a few years, but any longer, and we'll wind up in a witch-hunting climate in a few decades" -- which was absolutely correct. Why didn't they nip it in the bud?

    They just let it go, or they were against it but too slow and uncoordinated to respond to the new conditions.

    By the time the population as a whole responded, circa 2022 or '23, the intolerant fracturing witch-hunters had grown steadily unchecked for DECADES. Pretty damn slow response, eh?

    And conversely, when society gets more and more tolerant and harmonious, why don't the intolerant fracturing witch-hunters immediately start rising, to exploit this newly opening niche of a tolerant society that will humor them? As society became gradually more harmonious after the early 1970s eruption of social chaos, why did it take DECADES for intolerant fracturing witch-hunters to start steadily rising? Why didn't the chaos-maxxers of the early '70s just re-emerge during the late '70s, '80s, or early '90s?

    This system shows hysteresis -- where the response to the original trigger lasts for a long time after the trigger is removed, and likewise when the cycle bends back in the other direction. It's not an instantaneously reactive thing, like flipping a light-switch off and on, depending on the minute-to-minute outdoor lighting conditions. Or like opening vs. closing your umbrella, depending on the minute-to-minute rain level.

    If shifting gears -- or changing strategies, or adopting a strategy for the first time -- is costly, then you make that choice and live with it for awhile, cuz switching is expensive. Like starting up a factory, or turning on a car or airplane -- just let it idle for awhile if it's not being powered forward. Maybe it's just at a red stop-light -- no need to shut it off, then start it up all over again when the light turns green. It's costly to turn a car on and off that much! Each ignition eats up a shitload of your battery's stored charge.

    Being a tolerant vs. an intolerant person may be a fairly dyed-in-the-wool trait, once you've "chosen" it (unconsciously perhaps -- adopted it, let's say). So switching is too expensive. The grown-ups who would like to change their strategy to deal with a new threat, may not be able to. That means the young impressionable ones who are just adopting their strategy for the first time, can make that choice based on exploiting the existing environment, and there's nothing the mature ones can do about it -- they'll be stuck in their tolerant ways, leaving the niche wide open for intolerant and witch-hunting youngsters.

    But, vice versa when the grown-ups are intolerant witch-hunters, and the youngsters are deciding for the first time. "Yeah, if we follow them, we'll all be left with nothing -- so how about we choose to be tolerant and harmonious instead, and try to contain and neuter these insanely intolerant 30-something weirdos the best we can". Good ol' Zoomers, and Gen Alphas...

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  172. The trash aesthetic was also huge around the 1970 eruption of social chaos, just like it was around the next eruption in 2020. Andy Warhol-related movies (Flesh, Trash, Heat), and John Waters movies (Pink Flamingos). Not just holding nothing sacred, exploring taboos -- but shot in a deliberately slipshod, ugly, anti-art kind of way. Trash on both the thematic and execution levels.

    The dirty, filthy, crusty-ness of the counter-culture at the time. Which saw a revival in the late 2010s and early '20s with the whole "dirtbag left" crowd.

    The '80s, even the later '70s, and the '90s were more clean -- not to say puritanical, obsessive / OCD, or whatever. Just that there was no trash aesthetic, look how crappy this was made, this will totally shock the normies, and so on.

    And of course before the second half of the '60s, American culture was stereotypically clean-cut and had no trash / crap aesthetic.

    Last time before circa 1970 was circa 1920, another peak of social chaos, with the whole anti-art phenomenon, ugly execution and/or subject matter, what most people mean by "ugly modern art" or "degenerate art".

    Hitler, FDR, and Stalin -- not associated with ugly obscene art, if anything using the force of the state to remove such art from their culture. Well, sure they did -- that was the '30s and '40s, as norms were shifting away from "weird" and back toward "cool" (like the Beatniks, rockers, and other cool-centric sub-cultures of the 1950s, all of whom were pretty clean-cut and pro-aesthetic rather than anti-aesthetic).

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  173. Grunge, despite the name, wasn't really a trash aesthetic. Humble, frugal, thrift store, well-worn, thrown-together, not polished -- doesn't mean trashy, filthy, disgusting, off-putting, ugly, etc. The most you could say was that the hair tended toward the greasy and unkempt side -- but only tended.

    Look at that video for "Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sunbeam" -- only Kurt Cobain has greasy unkempt hair, no one else. Wearing a pill-y grandpa cardigan isn't meant to shock or offend, it's probably the least offensive thing someone could wear on stage!

    Also, "no tattoos, no piercings, no body modifications" -- as the YouTube commenters usually say under a video of an old mainstream pop song. Well, that applied to grunge, too -- why aren't there a million comments saying so under the Nirvana videos? Those all warp the natural pure body to some degree, and yet they were absent from the grunge scene.

    In fact, when you think of tattoos and piercings, you're probably thinking of late '90s and 2000s rock, like nu metal / rap-metal, which was another early source of the reborn trash aesthetic. Ugly names, too, like Limp Bizkit. Nirvana is literally paradise, and sounds melodious in itself.

    There was a '60s and '70s revival during the '90s, so some of the greasy / unkempt aesthetic did manage to get revived, but it was fairly minor. It would not reach another peak until the late 2010s.

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  174. Then there was "porno chic" (also involving Andy Warhol, with Blue Movie), another prong in the attack on purity. Hardcore porno movies went mainstream, were discussed by mainstream critics like Ebert, etc. Or when Travis Bickle takes his dream date to a hardcore porno theater, she's disgusted, and they have to argue about it like "Hey, plenty of couples do this, how was I supposed to know it wasn't to your particular tastes?" -- instead of it being a total non-starter for a date idea.

    I haven't seen very much from that era, but it typically does have a gross look and icky feel to it, notwithstanding the high budgets, production values, being shot on film, etc. It's just typical Noo Yawk sleaze -- and that *was* when pornos were made in Noo Yawk instead of glamorous easy-breezy but not-so-sleazy Los Angeles.

    That scene in Fame where a naive vulnerable high school girl is groomed into a nude photo shoot by some sleazy creep, in a sleazy apartment -- that's what it used to be like in porno chic times, and by the early '80s there was already a backlash against it, even in the most liberal theatre-kid movie of its day. Sleaze was over by the '80s.

    Then there's the plots -- this was back when pornos were "pornographic movies", where movie implied a plot, characters, dialog, etc. Before they became "audiovisual prostitution simulators". Deep Throat, from '72, is about a woman whose clitoris is located in the back of her throat, so in order to get satisfied, she has to deep throat -- pretty sleazy, and tending toward body horror.

    The so-called jewel of the porno chic era, The Opening of Misty Beethoven ('76), has a scene where a woman with a strap-on pegs a dude. Deliberately disgusting, meant to violate a taboo, not merely "show naked sex on camera". That act would not return to porn until the trash aesthetic revival of the 2010s and early '20s.

    '80s and '90s pornos are like the satirical one in The Big Lebowski -- cute giggly babe has a problem with her kitchen sink, plumber shows up to lay some pipe (punny dialog intended), they have a carefree hot-and-heavy romp in bed, that's it. It's more lighthearted, innocent (comparatively), and most of all not based on vulgarity, profanity, shock value, obscenity, violating taboos, and so on. Not meant to be counter-cultural -- they were normie-friendly pornos.

    That all began reverting back into the shock / degrade / weird direction during the 2000s.

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  175. Without getting too specific, we can simply note the rise of porn in the 2000s and 2010s that is based on abuse and degradation, and sex acts that uglify and warp the participants rather than make them look attractive and appealing.

    Not just the acts themselves, either -- in what is left of the "plot," a girl is picked up in the Bang Bus, goes through the motions, and is unceremoniously dumped back out onto the street without getting the pay she was promised in the opening part of the scene. Girl-hating porn.

    Where porn and erotica shaded into fashion photography, just look at how much sleazier and '70s-throwback the American Apparel ads of the late 2000s looked, compared to Herb Ritts and Demarchelier nudes from the '90s. The AA ones were sleazier and they usually weren't even nudes.

    The Ritts and Demarchelier nudes are more clean and dignified, and they show bodies in a state of lively action, or tender and vulnerable, but not melting into a languid haze. Take a guess which type Hitler, FDR, and Stalin would have used in their propaganda about how healthy and beautiful their people were...

    This is apart from whether you like either type, or which type of sleaze was aesthetically superior to which other type (AA was top-notch, not off-puttingly sleazy). It's charting the rise and fall and rise of the trash / sleaze / ugly / obscene / shock / weird aesthetic.

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  176. Like grunge, "heroin chic" is another one of those '90s things that didn't happen the way the label leads you to believe. Literally no one was into heroin in the '90s, or crack, or cocaine, or any other really hard drug -- that was the heyday of at most smoking some pot, possibly nothing at all.

    As someone who imprinted on the '90s as a teen, I've never done any drugs in my whole life. Not for straight-edge reasons -- just don't need 'em, if you're the life of the party type when you go out. As lame as it sounds, cool people don't need drugs -- people with weird / abnormal brains need them, in order to overcome their awkwardness and unnaturalness.

    I've only smoked half a cigarette, too, but that's a long-term decline in smoking, not a cyclical thing. Tobacco is not perceived as a weird, warping substance in America, unlike heroin, psychedelics, crack, meth, and other hard drugs.

    Hard drugs did not make a mainstream comeback until the 2010s, with meth, ketamine, psychedelics, ayahuasca, cocaine, you name it. Hold nothing sacred, explore every corner, taboos are only there to be violated.

    And of course the real heroin chic, and marijuana chic, and psychedelic chic, was back in the previous peak of social chaos, in the late '60s and early '70s.

    Due to the '60s and '70s revival in the '90s, a little bit of that trickled in -- smoking pot was a possibility, but not required. Shrooms were around as a visual icon, but not an actual psychedelic substance to be ingested (much like the marijuana leaf being an ubiquitous visual icon of the '90s, though probably not actually being smoked -- I had a black hat with a white skull and a green pot leaf over its forehead, despite never smoking pot once).

    As for the connection to fashion photography, there was no strung-out sleazy languid ugly wasting-away look in those ads. This is the one featured in the Wiki article:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kate_Moss_Calvin_Klein.jpg

    It's just a skinny girl with au naturel hair and make-up -- that's it! Imagine thinking there's anything druggy or filthy or smelly about that at all... also why does Kate Moss have such big feet? lol

    And yet, the tiny trickle that managed its way into mainstream culture was lambasted by the sitting liberal Democrat president, Bill Clinton, who said the trend was "destructive" -- too bad he didn't go for "degenerate". Yeah, we know what he was doing with Monica Lewinski -- that's what made it so gross, not just what he did, but it being such a clean and wholesome climate. If it'd happened in 1968 or 2018, nobody would've batted an eyelash.

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  177. Actual heroin chic, in terms of emaciation, came only during the 2000s and 2010s, first with "pro-ana" websites and forums, and then "thinspo" pictures when image-based platforms became popular.

    There was no such pro-ana / eating disorder sub-culture in the '90s. That would have been seen as weird, ugly, warped, unnatural, off-putting, disgusting, and so on.

    Only Millennials got into that stuff, as part of their broader shift toward weird and away from cool. And very much dove-tailed with the emo and related music scenes that valorized being a weirdo or misfit who didn't care what the boo-hiss normies thought.

    Alternative teens in the '90s very much cared what the normies thought -- not cuz we were trying to "fit in," since we might be the only one with purple hair at our school. But in the sense of wanting to be validated, respected, looked up to, drawing a crowd of followers or at least appreciators -- rather than receive only confused and dismissive looks from the rest of the student body, which would've signaled that we had failed and had become lamewads instead of cool or badass.

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  178. Around the 1920 peak of social chaos, they were also into a variety of hard drugs -- cocaine, opium, hashish, heroin, etc., not just booze and cigarettes. Not just flappers and counter-cultural types either -- working-class stiffs drifted in that direction as well. Very anti-normie and sacrilegious culture.

    These trends had been on the rise since around 1900, but were mostly absent from the Gay Nineties.

    By the '30s, there was a backlash, not just propaganda movies like Reefer Madness, but the popular practice just shifted away from hard drugs as a required part of going out to have fun.

    By the '50s, the main drugs were barbiturates -- anxiety-reducing drugs, not exactly hard drugs that are weird and warping of the mind, and not associated with parties or with lazing around in a perpetual opium-den haze.

    Taboos have a social function, whereby upholding them coheres the respecters of the taboo, whereas violating them fragments a group -- or identifies someone as an outsider. So when the social mood is toward chaos, taboos get violated, and when it's toward harmony, they get respected.

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  179. Slut pride was also absent from the '90s, as well as from the Midcentury and the Gay Nineties. Celebrating or valorizing promiscuity is more a marker of the 1910s and '20s, the '60s and '70s, and the 2000s and 2010s (by which point Slutwalk was joined by the gay pride parades).

    I've noticed that Pride Month was less insane last year and maybe the year before that. I don't bother going downtown that whole month. But you can still measure its depravity by how much it spills over into normie areas. And it really wasn't that bad last year. Baby steps, but by the 2040s I don't think anyone will believe the reports or images of what the pride parades of the 2010s were like -- they'll assume it's fanfic, or AI-generated images.

    And I'm not referring to actual private sexual activity with multiple partners -- I mean the public social-cultural validation, glamorization, celebration, etc. of promiscuity or looseness. Slut chic, on par with porno chic.

    That just wasn't a mainstay of '90s culture -- if anything, it was clearing someone from the charge or suspicion of being a slut. Spreading a rumor about promiscuity was a grave injustice that demanded vengeance -- not glibly brushing it aside like, "well, let the haters hate, nothing wrong with being a slut regardless of whether I actually am or not..."

    As it happens, there's an entire episode of My So-Called Life about that ("Guns and Gossip"). Someone started a rumor about Angela being easy with Jordan, and she's embarrassed, angry, and depressed at the suggestion that she's easy, and even a little sleazy for doing it in the car with witnesses nearby, etc. instead of in a bed with no one watching.

    They clearly portray girls, not just guys, casting negative glances at her when they believe she's slutting it up. (Pro-slut propaganda says only guys try to ostracize sluts.) And then the creepy unwanted advances from guys who now think she's easy, so why bother trying to charm her, just let it be known what they want, and since she's easy, she'll be game.

    Good ol' mid-'90s wholesomeness...

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  180. From "free love" and "swinging" circa 1970, to "polyamory" circa 2020. The '60s and '70s were an outgoing time, so those efforts were more libidinal and successful, whereas the poly thing of the 2010s and early '20s is mostly ugly weirdos and stale / clinical / online.

    But still, a completed cycle.

    Breaking monogamy is taboo, so when social chaos is near a peak, the norm of monogamy will start to go out the window. When social chaos is near a minimum, it will be upheld -- at least in terms of public norms and expectations. Again, I don't care that people commit adultery in all times.

    There were no swingers clubs in the wholesome '80s and '90s. But they *were* there in the Swinging Seventies -- decades before the internet, social media, cell phones, and whatever other dum-dum techno-scapegoats people may have in mind to blame for the 2010s reddit version of swingers and key clubs.

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  181. A surviving CNN article from the prehistoric internet, on President Clinton's public scolding of "heroin chic" in 1997:

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/05/21/clinton.mayors/

    Look at all the language about order, structure, purity, health, wholesomeness, beauty, vs. their opposites --

    Heroin chic is "destructive" rather than creative, "ugly" rather than beautiful, a matter of "life" and "death" rather than a higher tier on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs like "art," and "not good for any society".

    Again, actually fashion photography of that time was not using gaunt models, with strung-out looks on their faces, ghostly, etc. They weren't even in a languid opium den pose or stupor. There might have been one campaign that caused the entire furore -- but that one was one too many, for the wholesome '90s, triggering even the president to make a press statement against it.

    Trump never made a press statement, while campaigning or as president, against any culture-industry affront to public decency -- and there was A LOT more of that stuff in the late 2010s than in the '90s. That was the peak of that stuff -- but Trump and others didn't say anything. Nor did the conservative media, which was at its most libertine.

    Whoever's president in the 2040s may very well be making statements against affronts to public cultural decency, along with the media calls for decency, and just a broader norm of trying to keep weird warped stuff out of the public forums.

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  182. Now we turn to obscenity-based censorship practices. In the early days of motion pictures, they could do pretty much what they wanted, as far as the state was concerned. Circa the peak of social chaos in 1920, there were greater calls to regulate the industry in the interest of public decency and morality, but being a climate of social chaos, nothing was done.

    However, as that state of civil breakdown subsided by the end of the '20s, censorship became possible. It would be codified into the Hays Code of 1934, a good 15 years after the whole world nearly blew itself up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_Code

    The Hays Code remained in effect until 1968, when the next bout of social chaos exploded, undoing the obscenity-based censorship of the previous wholesome phase of the cycle. Now it's time to violate taboos all you want -- it'll just get you a different rating, maybe make it harder for viewers to see it, but it's not out of the question altogether anymore.

    Also during the Midcentury, there was the Comics Code Authority, which sprung into action not even 6 months after the publication of Seduction of the Innocent in 1954. That was a lengthy denunciation of "horror comics" of the previous decades, which had gory violence, sado-masochistic themes, and in general a warped and weird aesthetic. More so than other mediums, anyway. They weren't all like that, but it was prevalent enough to draw the ire of moral regulators during a taboo-respecting phase of the cycle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent

    The CCA was first loosened circa 1970, during the next peak of social chaos. It did not toughen up again during the '80s and '90s, though, probably because the medium was dying out and the regulators felt there was no point to targeting them anymore -- plus there was no return of gory, etc. comics like there had been in the "horror comics" days. By the '80s and '90s, it was all about superheroes and villains anyway, not a shock-fest or gore-fest or occult-fest. It was abandoned by Marvel in 2001 and by DC in 2011.

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  183. The next round of obscenity-based censorship was the '80s and '90s, during the backlash against the previous explosion of social chaos circa 1970.

    First there was a tweak to the movie ratings system in 1984, when the PG-13 rating was added in order to warn parents away from some movies that would've gotten a mere PG rating before. Recent movies like Gremlins and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom were felt to be too dark, scary, disgusting, occult, or whatever, for small children. So protect them, but let it be open to kids who were starting adolescence.

    In the following year, 1985, the Parents Music Resource Center opened (headed by future Second Lady, Tipper Gore), and began slapping those "Parental Advisory: Explicit Content" labels on music media covers.

    As you can tell from the word "explicit," and the nature of their objections to the "Filthy Fifteen" pop songs that they felt should be censored, their reasoning was based on obscenity rather than some other basis. "Explicit" means no innuendo or low-intensity way of conveying their ideas -- right there in your face, shocking, provocative, violating the taboo against talking about these topics in such a frank way instead of using innuendo. Sex, drugs, violence, and the occult -- all of which threaten wholesomeness and the respecting of taboos.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center#Filthy_Fifteen

    During the minimum of social chaos, there was a moral panic about "violent video games" in the exact same way that there was one over "horror comics" during the Midcentury. Games like Night Trap, Mortal Kombat, Doom, and others that had explicit gory violence, possible occult themes, no redeeming societal value, and so on.

    These issues reached the halls of Congress, led by senators Joe Lieberman and Herb Kohl in 1993. When the hearings were concluded in '94, the ESRB self-regulating system was born, akin to the CCA for comic books. As with Seduction of the Innocent, the theme was purity vs. corruption, taboo vs. desecration, obscenity vs. wholesomeness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Congressional_hearings_on_video_games

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board

    By the 2010s, this system had ceased to deter degenerate, gory, serial killer simulators from being created and distributed and popularly adopted, such as Dead by Daylight, which came out in 2016 for Windows and somewhat later on other platforms.

    Unlike a gory martial arts game like Mortal Kombat, or a gory good vs. evil shooter game like Doom, or a totally inoffensive campy game like Night Trap, serial killer simulators like Dead by Daylight elicited not a single word from top politicians, including Republicans, nor from conservative media, including Fox News. By the 2010s, the moral panic over obscenity, desecration, unwholesomeness, and taboo violation had totally evaporated, as part of the broader trend of the "more chaos / taboo-violating" phase of the 50-year cycle.

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  184. Finally, there was the V-chip from the mid-'90s maximum of social harmony and taboo respecting. This device, as part of a TV set, allowed parents to block programs with certain obscentity / content ratings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-chip

    Nobody watched TV by the 2010s, but if they did, the V-chip was not being used for its purpose. Nor did parents clamor for a similar physical device to be installed on all computers and online-capable devices, cell / smartphones, etc., which were the new conduits for whatever '90s parents were worried about their kids seeing through the TV set. Nobody gave a damn about these matters *in general* during the 2000s and 2010s.

    I can see such a device, physical or software, being made mandatory or strongly encouraged by the 2040s. The unsurpressed Wild West gore-fest shock-fest porn-fest days of online will be drawing to a close, sooner than later. China already does it, Turkey already does (perhaps in some different way from China), and by the 2040s peak of social harmony and taboo respecting, America or its rump states will too.

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  185. So it seems like the peak or plateau of the "low chaos / taboo respecting" phase of the cycle was roughly 1985 to 1995. It had been moving in that direction since the second half of the '70s, and the first half of the '80s.

    But judging from all the moral panics and consequent state action in response, '85 to '95 was the height of this phase of the cycle, before it gradually began turning back toward more chaos and taboo violation.

    Trash-eaters will obviously hate the moral panic and state crackdown, but they would also hate the pop culture produced by such a climate -- as cheesey, sentimental, sincere, normie, bland, vanilla, and so on.

    Very Special Episode TV shows, buddy cop movies, Amy Grant dominating the radio waves, and morally uncomplicated video games about heroes vs. villains.

    And young people trying to be cool rather than weird, and girls worrying to death if their reputation is being too easy.

    I miss those wholesome days, and I've *been* sick of the 2010s taboo-violation-fest, which didn't even have the cool parts of its late '60s / early '70s predecessor. Jesus...

    But sometime before I'm dead, that climate will return, and society's ship has already begun steering in that direction.

    By the 2040s, no one will believe you about the 2010s -- other than a vague sense that it was horrible and never to be repeated.

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  186. Crucially, very little of that '85-'95 height of wholesomeness and obscenity-based censorship involved Christian institutions or activists. Not that they objected -- they loved it! But they were spectators, not participants. America was very secularized by that point.

    And yet, the liberal Democrat president had to scold racially extremist black rap music (Sister Souljah), oversaw the creation of the censorship board for video games, as well as the introduction of the V-chip, and scolded the fashion industry for "heroin chic".

    Quite a different climate from when Obama took office! But it wasn't cuz Clinton was surrounded and held hostage by fundamentalist Christians, evangelicals, or whatever other Satanic Panic buzzword and boogeyman there is. Totally non-religious Americans were still obsessed with keeping socially unredeeming gory violence out of video games, keeping the same stuff off of TV if parents so chose, and weird and warped culture in general out of the public sphere.

    As America gets only less Christian, this will not matter by the 2040s, when another secular wave of obscenity suppression will come into effect, and be demanded broadly by the secular population.

    For that matter, the Hays Code and Comics Code Authority from the Midcentury were not off-shoots of any church or religious group. They used entirely secular and modern arguments against obscentity, profanity, pornography, and so on.

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  187. RIP David Lynch, who produced most of his works during this wholesome period, and was always more cool than weird -- as were his creations.

    If Twin Peaks had been weird and normie-shocking and taboo-violating and ugly or anti-aesthetic, there would never have been "Peaks mania". It was so widespread, I still vividly remember the day in 3rd or 4th grade, when a girl who sat at our little group of 4 desks pushed together, spontaneously burst out with

    "Have you guys seen Twin Peaks???!??!?!??!!!! :DDDDDD"

    None of us had, but her older sibling or parents were into it, and she watched along with them. We could tell how excited she was, so we believed it must be REALLY COOL, so tell us, what's it about? What makes it so cool? She couldn't really put it into words, and looked dejected after awhile, like, "Yeah, my 3rd-grade brain cannot convey the awesomeness of this show to my fellow 3rd-graders..."

    But I always took that to heart, and watched it in earnest when it was shown in reruns on Bravo during the '90s or y2k (back when Bravo was like the Criterion Collection cable channel). I think I was reminded of it by some guy in our freshman dorm -- *not* a counter-cultural type, but a boarding school preppy -- was gushing over it, playing the opening theme song, etc. "You HAVE to watch it, whenever you can!"

    Artsy-fartsy types loved it, too, but it was a surprise hit sensation due to its immediate appeal to normies. Nor does it depict counter-cultural types, or Bohemian urban niche environments -- exactly the opposite from someone like Woody Allen, who is primarily popular among art-y types.

    It pains me to see Twin Peaks and other related works become hijacked by sub-cultures during the "weird instead of cool" phase of the cycle. Yeah, their predecessors liked it, too, but they didn't try to hijack or gatekeep it, or taint the association with it in a way that would repel normies from gushing over it as well, like their normie predecessors did back in the early '90s.

    The elements of gore, violence, occult, etc. are played for sublime threat value, not for shock value or taboo-violation value. And they're balanced or heightened with elements of the beautiful -- the total babes he selected for the cast, the stunning locations, the striking rich colors and dramatic lighting, and the rest of it all.

    Really his only weird / ugly / body-horror movie was Eraserhead, from '77.

    The Elephant Man, from just 3 years later, was not like that at all, despite the subject being a disfigured freakshow attraction. I checked that out from the local library ALL THE TIME in kindergarten, when Blue Velvet had only just come out.

    Yes, it was possible to "be into David Lynch before it was cool" back in the '80s, even for a Midwestern kindergartner who didn't even know his name. That movie was just too cool to not watch again and again and again. The things you could have imprinted on as an impressionable child in the good ol' days...

    If only that girl in 3rd grade had told me that Twin Peaks was made by the same guy who made The Elephant Man, I would've been sold right away! And not had to wait until nearly 10 years later to track it down on cable -- and later, on DirectConnect.

    Along with respect for taboos, goes respect for the holy and sacred and spiritual, which he incorporated into his work like few other art-school directors. And for the same reasons, his being one of the most all-American directors in the history of the medium.

    Now that our cultural identity as Americans has largely matured, further down the line the dictionary definition of "Americana" will simply be David Lynch's '80s and '90s channeling of the late '50s and early '60s.

    It isn't canonically American if it isn't in a David Lynch movie or TV show!

    Very admirable role, to not only contribute so much primary material to American culture, but to serve as one of its main canonizers at the secondary level as well. RIP.

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  188. Delving further into Lynch's place in the "weird vs. cool" divide.

    Surrealism, dreams / dreaminess, alternate dimensions, paranormal phenomena, etc. -- not weird in themselves. Not ugly, disgusting, disorienting, alienating, sacrilegious, profane, obscene, and so on.

    The main way that surrealism *can* be taken in a weird direction is warped perception, hallucinations -- in the sense of trippy out-of-the-ordinary sensory perception, not just "such a thing couldn't exist here" like a person sitting on a wall or ceiling. Lynch never went with blurred vision, melting shapes, undulating lines of perspective within the spatial frame, kaleidoscopic ballets of pure shapes, and so on.

    His surrealism is more of an "alternate reality" type, where the rules and nature of sensory perception remain the same as we ordinarily feel them. Perceptual naturalism.

    So where does the alternate-ness come from, then? It ties into his pervasive tone of mystery, secrets, exploring the dim hidden crypts of reality. You can't immediately make sense of what you're encountering -- the space is too barren, the space seems to have no entrance and no exit, a person is sitting silent and looking at you but not saying anything, when they speak it's in a language you don't understand, or you understand that language but it's in concealed in cryptic riddles that invite you to solve and unlock their secret meaning, and so on.

    Which is not to say it's off-putting or repulsive or dread-inducing -- it can go that extreme, but fundamentally it's more about cryptic meanings, which *can* be solved and understood, but not in the way you're used to determining the meaning of things.

    The closest analogy to the sensation these alternate realities produce is discovering a treasure trove of communication in a language you don't speak and can't even decipher just yet, but which sparks your curiosity to decode it and learn to communicate in this unfamiliar language. You're hoping it's something mystical and BIG, not just ancient trade regulations or something boring and mundane like that...

    We've all been in situations where we can't speak the language. As long as it's temporary, it's not so alienating -- before long, we'll be back to where we *do* speak the language effortlessly. And while we're in the foreign-speaking place, we can still try to figure out a pidgin to interact with this fascinating exotic world.

    That's why he ties it so much into dreams -- dreams are fleeting and temporary. You'll wake up before too long, so even if you're having a nightmare, it's not a chronic condition. You're still grounded in the safe familiar waking world of your everyday environment. You're not permanently crossing over, climbing through the looking glass, whisked away by some cosmic force that may never whisk you back, etc.

    Maybe you will -- maybe this is the big sleep, not just a single night's nightmare. But dreams are not inherently permanent, they are typically fleeting acute "conditions".

    So, Lynchian surrealism is more about curiosity, exploring, a sense of adventure, going on a quest, solving a mystery, unlocking secrets. Fun, exciting, stimulating, inspiring -- not ugly, off-putting, demoralizing, degrading, or queering / weirding / warping. Especially not at the perceptual level, which would induce nausea and other disgust reflexes. Semantically disorienting, but never physically sea-sickening.

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  189. How about his famously "quirky" cast of characters? Isn't quirky synonymous with weird, misfit, etc? No, it just means they're not identical clones of each other, they all have their own distinct fingerprints, voices, faces, and yes personalities.

    It's "all the colors of the rainbow" diversity, where each band of color is perceptually distinct, but all are equally natural examples of "color". There's not a standard color vs. marginal, misfit, outcast colors. There's no antagonism between the colors.

    So I'd rather use the term "colorful characters" rather than "quirky," which can sometimes be conflated with weird, affected, etc.

    That's the other thing -- colors don't strive to construct their own persona as being orange, green, etc. Their colors are just what they naturally are -- not carefully curated constructions and affectations performed for a real or imagined audience of spectators and evaluators. Lynchian "quirkiness" of characters is always unpretentious, naturalistic, and uninhibited. That's why they seem "extra" -- they're holding nothing back, concealing nothing, lacking artifice, uninhibited by anxieties about how they'll be perceived or accepted vs. rejected, etc.

    I would call these personalities "highly saturated" if we're sticking with the "colorful" metaphor. They're not phony or affected colors, they just seem out of the ordinary due to how rich and saturated the pigment is -- almost realer than real -- since the artist did not dilute the pigment before applying it to the canvas.

    These colorful characters are VIVID, not ostentatious or garish or caricatured or grotesque. Not campy either -- vivid.

    So in this way he's emphasizing what is natural, not playing up the artificial. Celebratory naturalism, adulating naturalism -- not warping people into weird caricatured mask-wearers.

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  190. And so his characters are the opposite of affected, neurotic, performative theatre kids who curate an aura of being quirky, twee, or le sad and depressed, or whatever else. You've never met LESS neurotic characters in the history of the world's cultures...

    Why are they so uninhibited, so lacking in artifice, so carefree inhabiting their distinct personalities? Cuz they aren't misfits, weirdos, etc., but belong to a community that accepts and values them simply for being members of the in-group. Like a great big single family, they are loved and appreciated unconditionally, so they are free to be themselves instead of having to construct a persona based on what will please some conditionally-loving fickle-taste audience or jury panel.

    Not just among small-town folk either -- Mulholland Drive shows the same close-knit-ness of Angelenos broadly. Not to say there's never any conflict or antagonism or drama -- there's conflict within any family. Just to say that Angelenos treat each other like members of an extended family, not transactionally (and if a character does behave that way, it marks them as evil, misfit, threatening to the order, etc.).

    You might even say Lynch's characters, their environment, and their social communities are Edenic -- Edenic Americana. There was temptation, conflict, etc. in the Garden of Eden, too -- Edenic doesn't imply free from threats or dangers or temptations.

    But they live in a primeval, wholesome paradise, and the drama and conflict involves their loss of innocence through temptation and experience with not-so-wholesome elements (perhaps hostile invaders of their paradise, perhaps seductive antagonists who they succumb to through their own sinful free will).

    This is another reason why his characters seem dialed-up -- they are more in the allegorical direction than the documentary / verite direction. They're Edenic, mythological, legendary, even though they're portrayed as inhabiting contemporary America. Mythological naturalism, legend-making naturalism.

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  191. Brief aside to say that Lynch never indulged in making anti-heroes, or glamorizing threats to the social order. The harmony and closely-knit fabric of the social order represented Edenic paradise, and whatever threatens to tear that to shreds is portrayed as an unalloyed evil, sometimes as a literal demon from a demonic dimension.

    He never glorified weirdos, misfits, and anti-social types. At most, maybe gave them a seductive coolness, like leather-jacket-wearing, muscle-car-driving Frank Booth. But that was always undercut by exploring their own seedy underbelly (not just that of the wholesome small town) -- a raving nut who couldn't have fun without taking weird drugs, sexually crippled by perverse taboo-violating fetishes, deeply insecure, and ultimately pathetic, not someone anyone would want to emulate as le dark misunderstood anti-hero. Like other Lynchian characters, he's certainly colorful and vivid and memorable -- but not glorified or shown aspirationally.

    You can instantly spot who misunderstands and hijacks Lynch's "quirkiness" by whether, when Lynch comes up in conversation, they chime in with "Heineken? Fuck that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!" or "A damn fine cup of coffee!"

    Agent Cooper is equally colorful, vivid, and memorable -- but not the insecure, pathetic, LARP-y weirdo villain. *He* is the one that's glorified, and shown aspirationally. A modern day role model -- Lynch was a proud Eagle Scout, after all.

    There was little in the way of moral ambiguity and other theatre-kid pretentiousness in the tone and themes -- there was good, and there was evil, and the creator was clearly on the side of the good guys. To choose otherwise would make the social order vulnerable to corruption and dissolution. He wanted to uphold and preserve it, and to express his gratitude at all the Edenic wonders that it provided to its dependents.

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  192. Another brief aside to emphasize that none of this morality was even crypto-Christian, let alone openly. That would have been too Olde Worlde LARP-y. If anything, it was part of New Age spirituality and morality -- how very American of him, yet again.

    Ditto for the sacred music that accompanies this morality and narrative -- distinctly 20th-century American styles like jazz, R&B, blues, gospel, rock n roll, even synth-y New Age. The Twin Peaks theme song *was* included on the original definitive New Age compilation CD, Pure Moods.

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