tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post8920201652758000392..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Why GOP is blocking Trump agenda: He has political debt, not capitalagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-43292396692896125602017-06-25T10:09:27.070-04:002017-06-25T10:09:27.070-04:00"agnsotic, National Democratic Workers Social..."agnsotic, National Democratic Workers Socialism has some nationalist/Nordic supremacist elements but is a Left wing ideology to the core."<br /><br />Opposing mass immigration, Affirmative Discrimination, homosexuality and feminism is left-wing to the core? Discipline in schools, an end to the sociology departments, putting away the criminals for good is left-wing? Some basic welfare may be seen as left-wing, but conservative people have been involved in charity in every age. Kings who gave food to the poor were hardly left-wing. Neither is it left-wing to have some basic rules for work and trade - again, something conservatives have always had. What is left-wing is the Marxist worldview of oppressors vs. oppressed, as an excuse to cater to the lowest, the lazy, the criminals, the freaks, and use them against normal society. That is the opposite of the National Socialists. "Our socialism is not the socialism of the Left." "We will take the word 'socialism' from the socialists." George Orwell: "For all their talk about workers, the fascist movements derive most of their support from the upper classes."Carpenternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-50856593740605481612017-06-24T17:10:42.561-04:002017-06-24T17:10:42.561-04:00agnsotic, National Democratic Workers Socialism ha...agnsotic, National Democratic Workers Socialism has some nationalist/Nordic supremacist elements but is a Left wing ideology to the core. <br /><br />That said the Right can organize when it wishes too , Oathkeepers as generally useless as they are, Proud Boys, Violent Solutions and others are actually doing meat space stuff<br /><br />Problem is the Right is obsessed with a weird atomized form of individuality and muh economy and often fights Marquise of Queensberry rules when its Gangs of New York time. <br /><br />This too is changing slowly with people like Kyle "Stickman" Chapman leading the way <br /><br />Once the Right figures out the need for collective action you mentioned and how enjoyable it is they'll be able to handle the Left <br /><br />The fear is though this may destabilize the system to the degree it might end which is why we see so much passivity and hopelessness and other sorts of PsyOp/ Hasbara stuff.<br /><br />A.B. Prospernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-67128491661919432182017-06-23T01:46:49.899-04:002017-06-23T01:46:49.899-04:00That article doesn't appreciate the nature of ...That article doesn't appreciate the nature of a collective response -- they think Rightist militias (or some random angry mob) is going to try to surgically target the Leftists responsible for some act.<br /><br />That is a response to the individual responsible for some crime -- just vigilante style.<br /><br />In a collective response, the mob is going to find out that the Leftists live in some neighborhood or housing unit where Leftism is festering -- directly from those setting off bombs etc., and indirectly from their neighbors who condone such activity.<br /><br />So /pol will figure out where the location is, the mob / militia will show up, and they'll burn down the building or lay waste to the neighborhood. Imagine what kind of store-fronts the Rightists will be confronted with in a Leftist stronghold -- they will feel zero guilt smashing up some vegan coffee house or designer fashion boutique.<br /><br />If Antifa smashes up McDonald's, will the Rightist militia go smash up their stores where they live? Seems inevitable.<br /><br />The smug Leftists are conflating two separate variables -- whether justice is meted out by the state or by vigilantes, and whether punishment will target individuals responsible of specific bad acts or target a collective that incorporates and nourishes these bad actors.<br /><br />Collective punishment does not have to hunt around and develop fine-grained intel about where the specific bad actors are -- just nuke their whole ecosystem.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-66595241743346564812017-06-22T23:52:33.778-04:002017-06-22T23:52:33.778-04:00The article is correct about the fast-slow differe...The article is correct about the fast-slow difference -- Leftists being quick, and Rightists being slow-to-anger.<br /><br />The trouble is that this means the dynamics are those of a fast-slow system with hysteresis, like a neuron firing. The stimulating variable is fast, while the recovery variable is slow. Here, stimulus = Leftist violence (mostly from below), recovery = Rightist violence (mostly from the state).<br /><br />These systems show trajectories that are like roller-coaster rides -- a soaring level of one variable, then a soaring level of the other after a seemingly long delay to counteract the first variable's rise. The recovery variable remains sky-high until the stimulus variable has been almost totally wiped out. Meaning, state violence will stay high until the whole Left is wiped out, not dialing down the police and Army response proportionally to the number of Leftists they remove.<br /><br />That leaves a lot more death and destruction, compared to a system where the recovery variable is fast to counter-act the stimulus variable. Like a swift "eye for an eye" response. The slower the response is, the greater the magnitude of the response when it ultimately turns on. And obviously the greater the magnitude of the stimulus variable (harm by Leftist violence) because it's had so much longer to do its thing before being counter-acted.<br /><br />By outsourcing their violence to the state, Rightists make their response a lot slower than if they just found the Leftists and burned down their buildings and shot the agitators. It would get nipped in the bud.<br /><br />I was hoping that would be happening with the Trump supporters beating back Antifa, but it's clear that Leftist violence is going to come from so many different places and actors and groups. We're going to have to farm our response out to the police and Army, who are going to do far worse than what the annoyed little guy citizen would be doing.<br /><br />I'm preparing a full post on this topic -- slow-to-anger vs. swift justice -- but you get the basic idea.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-48634289487582824882017-06-22T23:38:09.276-04:002017-06-22T23:38:09.276-04:00It's ahistorical triumphalism -- seeing no far...It's ahistorical triumphalism -- seeing no farther back than -- when else? -- the Sixties (or Fifties).<br /><br />Pretty sure the Holocaust was right-wing collective political violence, just one generation before the Sixties.<br /><br />Or see the previous peak of from-below collective violence circa 1920 -- then it was white people burning down black neighborhoods and lynching blacks, not the other way around.<br /><br />The government destroyed the offices that the Leftists were organizing out of (the Palmer Raids during the real Red Scare), and deported many of their ring-leaders back to Europe (Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman, et al).<br /><br />Today's climate feels more like 1920, before the Great Compression when everybody was supposed to get along with each other and give others the benefit of the doubt. The peak of political violence circa 1970 was part of that Wonder Years climate, and will not get a friendly Ward Cleaver style reception in this much more angry and no-holds-barred climate that we're in now.<br /><br />Who says that within 10-20 years, we won't see a revival of lynchings and neighborhood burnings like we did during the 1920 peak? Probably targeting immigrants / Muslims, not blacks (who were the newcomers during 1920, leaving the South during the Great Migration into the West and Midwest).<br /><br />And who says the Germans aren't going to Holocaust the Muslims within the next generation or two? Christ, the last one wasn't even 100 years ago!<br /><br />Right-wing violence is usually outsourced to the state, which Leftists do not like and do not have a foothold in anyway (in the branches that use armed force, at any rate). All we have to do is howl for a crackdown by the police, National Guard, or the national Army, and the radical Left will get wiped out. If the government refuses to answer our howls, the people will elect those who will answer the howling.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-68802559964333708932017-06-22T22:33:21.547-04:002017-06-22T22:33:21.547-04:00Wonder what your thoughts are on this article from...Wonder what your thoughts are on this article from Jacobite:<br /><br />http://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/14/political-violence-is-a-game-the-right-cant-win/<br /><br />Basically the long and short of it is that when/if the Happening finally happens the left will be at a clear advantage because despite believing they hold the guns, the police, the military, etc. the right falls into a "and then a miracle happens" trap of passivity while the left has spent a long time building up networks that allow them to move, communicate and organize speedily and efficiently. Likewise that the right fundamentally misunderstands the way left wing organizations (and loose association of left wing groups) works and that it tends to work to their advantage. An example given is the way that the Weather Underground (especially Obama mentor Bill Ayers) were supported by the National Lawyers' Guild until they'd been normalized enough to get cushy jobs in academia, something you would never see happen with right-wing extremists. Choice excerpt from the article:<br /><br />"The affinity group structure began in Spain: anarchists there organized themselves into small groups of very close friends who knew each other very well, because such small groups were difficult to infiltrate. Even if they were infiltrated, exposing one group wouldn’t blow the whole organization.<br /><br />The American Left picked up on affinity groups in the late 1960s. They started as a means for organizing protests and turned into a means of organizing movements. To coordinate, they send members back and forth to spokescouncils. The idea is to create a very collaborative discussion. This is partly due to the influence on the modern hard Left by Quaker organizers — if you remember those lengthy Occupy meetings that just went on and on and on, it’s because that’s how decision-making is done in Quaker meetings, and Quaker organizers taught the technique to Lefties in the ’70s anti-nuclear movement. And it spread, because lefties in different movements talk to each other and work together all the time.<br /><br />By contrast, righty organizations have historically been slow to organize. When they do, right-wing activists tend to stay in their own lanes and not work together, share notes, or reach out to one another’s followers. Think about the mishmash of signs you typically see at a Lefty protest, and then try to remember the last time you saw, say, an RKBA sign at a pro-life rally. More unfortunately, when righties do become active, they tend to do something like start a blog. Or make a YouTube channel. Or write a magazine article. In short, they become street-corner evangelists. They tend not to do things in meatspace."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-46592520030248114612017-06-22T14:10:44.535-04:002017-06-22T14:10:44.535-04:00very good. The only thing I might add is that a lo...very good. The only thing I might add is that a lot of people don't expect Trump to succeed. he is there to buy time to figure out how to communicate in private get the will , skill and kit together for war . <br /><br />Since the people most interested in war and skilled in it bandy about destroying the food system for cities , extreme causality counts (100 million or more) you have the foundations for a genocidal war of reduction. <br /><br />I don't think the numbers are there for this yet but I don't know that and the US is not special or immune to the same nation wrecking pressures everyone else is. <br /><br />The last time this happened we got the civil war and it was moderated by the fact it was fought by armies in much more robust society and that the generals were essentially part of the same social class <br /><br />This is not the case as it resembles something more akin to Mao or the collapse of a number of Empires . Such a coup de etat might end up with as Western Rifle Shooters put it "Rwanda X Bosnia" and a number of other smaller nations <br /><br />My personal assumption is that Trump was just saying the right things as all people who want power do and even if he wasn't he won't be allowed to succeed anyway <br /><br />The US will continue to collapse internally being the sickest man in the cancer ward till it ends up just not functioning period like the old USSR <br /><br />I might be wrong though and there is a fair chance that once Trump is certain he won't be impeached or worse and if he believes in what he says , he might act <br /><br />You don't get where he is without patience and cunning after all. A.B. Prospernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-4141098419570794262017-06-21T19:13:29.128-04:002017-06-21T19:13:29.128-04:00This is excellent commentary.This is excellent commentary.Tony Lawlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726371731236987049noreply@blogger.com