tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post8519763612242164894..comments2024-03-28T16:54:02.105-04:00Comments on Face to Face: What does "nice" in "nice guy" mean?agnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-24117845591422961992008-04-21T19:14:00.000-04:002008-04-21T19:14:00.000-04:00Wow. Agnostic is really bringing some fascinating...Wow. Agnostic is really bringing some fascinating insights to game recently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-36143253528484044732008-04-20T17:27:00.000-04:002008-04-20T17:27:00.000-04:00I suspect, BTW, that this particular nice guy woul...<I>I suspect, BTW, that this particular nice guy would have scored high in both your categories - he was dutiful and pleasant.</I><BR/><BR/>He was pleasant *to you*, a pretty young thing, as you say. To get an accurate read on his personality, you'd have to see how he behaved in a variety of situations. Trust me, anyone who shoves guys out of the picture, even if tactfully, is more tough than tender.<BR/><BR/>Looking forward to the other examples.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-31854010225624339432008-04-20T17:24:00.000-04:002008-04-20T17:24:00.000-04:00Your post reads like Agreeableness and Conscientio...<I>Your post reads like Agreeableness and Conscientiousness are entirely heterogeneous traits,</I><BR/><BR/>I know the personality literature, and I don't like the use of Psychoticism because although it provides insight, you can always construct P from the product of A and C, but you can't recover values of A and C if you've only got P. You lose so much information by using P instead of A and C.<BR/><BR/>It also screws up the heritability estimates of personality -- P is much less heritable, since you need to score highly on two independently sorting traits to score high on P. It also screws with the normal curve distribution of personality -- P has a highly skewed distribution, which is what you'd expect if it results from multiplying two normal RVs (a log-normal curve).agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-90744504932761550282008-04-20T16:48:00.000-04:002008-04-20T16:48:00.000-04:00Agnostic, you just wait. I'm going to post about a...Agnostic, you just wait. I'm going to post about all kinds of "nice" guys, men who are nice in either or both of the senses you mention. I suspect, BTW, that this particular nice guy would have scored high in both your categories - he was dutiful and pleasant. <BR/><BR/>His behaviour to the other men was perfect; there wasn't a hint of threat and he never raised his voice. His height and bearing probably helped; and his work - I mean, longshoremen are notoriously tough characters, are they not? He wasn't rough-spoken at all, but must have learned how to take care of himself in a job like that. He was just - in control, I suppose - of both himself and the situation. <BR/><BR/>That's why he struck me even then as such a rare bird. Of course, I've realised as I've grown older just how rare a bird he was. But never fear - I've encountered equally surprising examples of male niceness in men who weren't quite so naturally gifted with Alpha qualities. <BR/><BR/>clioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-64981283480996215612008-04-20T16:06:00.000-04:002008-04-20T16:06:00.000-04:00Your post reads like Agreeableness and Conscientio...Your post reads like Agreeableness and Conscientiousness are entirely heterogeneous traits, but this cluster has been widely studied in personality psychology: it's basically the inverse of "Psychoticism" in Eysenck's P-E-N model. The wiki article on the "nice guy" syndrome references studies which show that Agreeableness and Conscientiousness are <I>both</I> inversely correlated with sexual appeal or amount of partners.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, each factor in the Big Five model consists of a grouping of empirically correlated subfactors, each of which may have a separate effect on appeal. Anecdotally, the SC seems to draw many of its members from the unappealing "nice guy" population, and yet they're not seen as especially <I>dis</I>agreeable; by contrast, someone who chose to heed the simplistic (if widespread) advice to "shoot up some testosterone" might well end up with the worst of both worlds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com