tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post7613754105048755563..comments2024-03-28T17:12:01.740-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Brexit has shattered conformity: Americans now feel validated in voting for nationalism and populismagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-68915216450449883662016-06-30T08:39:42.342-04:002016-06-30T08:39:42.342-04:00In the political referendum, the analogy would be ...<b>In the political referendum, the analogy would be to simply deny the newly awakened citizens a chance to vote on the matter at hand by canceling the elections</b><br /><br />Well, there is another alternative to cancelling, and that is ignoring the results, which many "stay" supporters are advocating. I question whether the UK Parliament will actually start the "leave" process in anything resembling a timely manner (or ever). I'll believe it when I see it.Robert What?https://www.blogger.com/profile/03863449539859132763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-52919057091868747682016-06-30T08:34:41.645-04:002016-06-30T08:34:41.645-04:00Probably correct: I was certain the poll rigging w...Probably correct: I was certain the poll rigging would end up with "Stay" winning regardless of the actual voting. So considering the way it actually went, The "Leave" vote was probably much higher than was officially counted.Robert What?https://www.blogger.com/profile/03863449539859132763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-35241925393847558582016-06-29T16:48:29.314-04:002016-06-29T16:48:29.314-04:00Still amazed at how furiously fearful these cucks ...Still amazed at how furiously fearful these cucks are.<br /><br />Just making eye contact and talking to a girl won't get you laid, let alone married and raising children with her.<br /><br />Ergo, highly illogical to even initiate the sexual social algorithm. Optimally rational response is to plug the mind-dick into the porno-matrix.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-8180374776104980042016-06-29T13:36:41.128-04:002016-06-29T13:36:41.128-04:00Also, Trump's ideas have broad support. It'...Also, Trump's ideas have broad support. It's not like he's promoting a brand-new political ideology. Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15871134614183408024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-87744025262930448902016-06-29T10:29:44.887-04:002016-06-29T10:29:44.887-04:00@anonymousse
You're right that there needs to...@anonymousse<br /><br />You're right that there needs to be institutional development in order for any change to really stick. What you've misidentified is its existence.<br /><br />First, within the Republican Party there are many individuals ready to step in when Trump takes power. Local and state officials are not totally empty GOP apparatchiks. Many, especially the tea-party minded types (which are typically the most active local Republicans), are already getting on board with Trump. <br /><br />Trump didn't develop these networks--they already existed when he started running. But he will take advantage of them, just as they will take advantage of him. <br /><br />Lawyers and law students tend to be slavish devotees of power. If Trump wins and his enemies' power continues to erode, it won't take long for enterprising lawyers to develop the legal case for Trumpism. (In fact a lot of the groundwork has already been laid by the Bush and Obama presidencies.) <br /><br />The point is, there are lots of already existing organizations and institutions that have not had the opportunity to grow, but do have groundwork laid. Trump has changed that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-45783399722760464442016-06-29T09:25:45.496-04:002016-06-29T09:25:45.496-04:00You do realize that using Farage and UKIP as an ex...You do realize that using Farage and UKIP as an example proves my point, not yours, right? Yes, Farage had to spend years working and organizing, and in the end he won. People supported him because they wanted what he wanted. But he had to start somewhere.<br /><br />Trump is the first true nationalist/populist candidate to get a major party nomination in a very long time. By main force of will he's shoving the whole party in that direction, and if you think it's just going to snap back if he loses the election you're just as much a fool as the cuck elites who are praying for this outcome (think long and hard on just how badly Bush and Rubio got BTFO in the primaries and what this implies for the future, Trump or no Trump). Tons of people think he's the greatest candidate of their lifetimes. Party enthusiasm is way way way up. Others will see the response he's getting and try the same strategy themselves. As agnostic points out this is already happening, just 1 year after Trump arrived on the scene.<br /><br />You seem like one of these people who sees that winning everything we want might take a few decades, and concludes that it's therefore impossible (and loudly tells everyone so) even though we're off to a good start. That's not "realism" that's just laziness and cowardice. The condescending attitude of "just you wait and see, once Trump loses I'll be there sneering at you" is especially grating and obnoxious. You don't really know what's going to happen, you're just leaping to conclusions because you can't cope with uncertainty and the need to persevere in the face of setbacks.<br /><br />Nobody expects Trump to singlehandedly fix America. We expect him to help us take steps in the right direction and create momentum for more steps once he's gone. He may or may not win but it's worth the fight. I'm glad to see millions of people agree with this attitude, but those who don't are welcome to join George Will and suck their thumbs on the sidelines.NZTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-18871518021752225682016-06-29T09:21:25.678-04:002016-06-29T09:21:25.678-04:00McKinley had full support of the Rockefeller, Carn...McKinley had full support of the Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc. his resources vs Bryan's was one of the biggest mismatches ever. Marcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-91841203250357862742016-06-29T08:12:49.863-04:002016-06-29T08:12:49.863-04:00Trump is William McKinley:
http://akinokure.blogs...Trump is William McKinley:<br /><br />http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2016/01/trump-as-re-born-mckinley-with-neo.html<br /><br />McKinley was the first to re-orient the Republicans toward the Progressive era. But back in 1896, there was very little to speak of that already existed at the grassroots level. Labor movement was just starting, weak, and getting killed. Forget about suspending immigration.<br /><br />Every major change starts somewhere. It was McKinley then, it'll be Trump now.<br /><br />If you think no one is going to organize around these issues, and treat it just as a phone-in vote to determine who wins The Apprentice: POTUS, you're not in touch with the people.<br /><br />There will gradually be more Trump-like Republicans below the Presidency -- including primary challengers this very election, like Paul Nehlen challenging Paul Ryan on a Trump-like program.<br /><br />There is going to be the same thing on the Democrats' side, with the Bernie people doing more below the Presidency, to move it in a populist direction. This very election, there's a primary challenger to DNC Chair-snake Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, the Bernie-like Tim Canova.<br /><br />Over eight years, these twin trends will dislodge more and more of the cuckservatives and limperals, each encouraging lower-level participation, labor unions, and so on.<br /><br />Like Trump says, we're never going to get tired of winning -- once Trump's in office, it'll be safe to organize in all sorts of ways, and *really* kick the shit out of the wealthy and powerful globalists.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-19328208706477829532016-06-29T06:44:16.925-04:002016-06-29T06:44:16.925-04:00I'll followup with my own example; the change ...I'll followup with my own example; the change in universities over the last 40 years or so.<br /><br />1960; universities were broadly 'conservative', or at least 'traditionalist.'<br />1960's: radical students rebelled (probably not a majority, but a sizable and vocal group).<br />1970's: those same students demanded 'freedom, equality, justice' or whatever they wanted to call it, and got hired at universities<br />1980's and beyond: those now hired professors achieved majority status, achieved tenure, and effectively now control universities.<br /><br />In other words, the transformation of universities (which is pretty undeniable. It may not be from 'conservative' to 'liberal,' but universities have changed) was achieved, not because one guy insulted the old (1950's era) professoriate, but because thousands of people insulted the old professoriate, and stuck around long enough to get hired, and stuck around long enough to get tenure, and so on. If the student protestors from the 1960's all left after school and got jobs as business consultants, and old-school traditionalists stayed and went to graduate school, there would have been no long-term change.<br /><br />So where are the thousands of Trumpistes, hanging around to transform the Senate, the Congress, local and State governments, think tanks, newspapers, law schools, and so on? They don't exist. All those lower-level candidates for office are, at best, traditional Republicans (and at worst, of course, Democrats). Masses of Trumpistes attending law school today, to rewrite and rethink Constitutional Law? Not happening.<br /><br />So what happens when Trump leaves (in November 2016, or January 2021, or even January 2025)? We all go back to our Alt-Right whining on the internet (any of you guys plan on spending the next twenty years in Law school, then teaching and writing articles from a pro-Trump perspective? Plan on running for office as a Trumpiste?), most Trump voters go back to work and wonder why the country keeps falling apart, and Democrats/Republicans continue to dominate the political discourse. <br /><br />Its not pessimism nor optimism. Its reality. <br /><br />anonymousseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-64644717406114801702016-06-29T01:53:48.944-04:002016-06-29T01:53:48.944-04:00Anonymous is entirely correct. I would say neither...Anonymous is entirely correct. I would say neither "We Are Doomed" John Derbyshire nor "Paul Kersey" (America is finished) of SBDL are bed-wetting pansies. And Trump has a weakness -- no institution behind him.<br /><br />It was Nigel Farage's life work to get Brexit, but he did not do it alone. He built an institution, the UKIP, out of nothing, and has it as a hammer to threaten the Tories (and Labor) over immigration and EU rule. Trump has built ... a twitter feed. That's it.<br /><br />Change, real effective change, does not come with one big man. It comes when enough middle class people have had enough and are ORGANIZED and pick off enough upper class people to lead serious, real, lasting reforms. <br /><br />This would include off the top of my head, universal male suffrage, women's suffrage, Prohibition, the New Deal, the Civil Rights Movement, in the US. The Easter Rising in Ireland, and War for Independence. Some of it good, some of it bad, some of it both; but real social change does not come with a big man.<br /><br />TR was merely the cresting wave of existing social protest, the labor movement, and Progressive Trust Busting to limit the power the Robber Barons and their gigantic corporations had over ordinary life. And TR owed as much to the muckrakers like Upton Sinclair as say Samuel Gompers. <br /><br />Trump is a thin reed indeed, and without wide and deep support by the middle class and "enough" of the Upper classes, no real change will come. Real change requires institution building and coalition assembling -- which IMHO is not present in the US though with the UKIP it is starting to come together in the UK.Whiskeyhttp://whiskeysplace.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-53177359533827113932016-06-29T01:01:18.711-04:002016-06-29T01:01:18.711-04:00I paid no attention whatsoever to the elections af...I paid no attention whatsoever to the elections after 2000. Kept my ears open, heard the same old shit, went back to whatever I was doing.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-29968161874440803652016-06-28T20:38:34.362-04:002016-06-28T20:38:34.362-04:00Agnostic: you thing Romney took a dive, or choked ...Agnostic: you thing Romney took a dive, or choked in his second debate with Obama?<br /><br />PAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-30254113901366929542016-06-28T20:10:03.578-04:002016-06-28T20:10:03.578-04:00The wimps and sell-outs keep repeating the names o...The wimps and sell-outs keep repeating the names of idols who've come to be revered since 1980 (like Reagan, or Goldwater, or Burke) like a reflexive incantation that will change the subject. "Please, let's go back to debating the capital gains tax, and bitching about unions, anything, besides Alt. Right/populist concerns like inequality or the demographic crisis glaring in the West's face".<br /><br />The elite right's increasingly desperate attempts to dodge accusations of promoting white interests have finally blown up in their faces. You'd think they would've learned after not "allowing" Romney to play up Obama's hatred of regular America in the past elections.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-6299596028980629682016-06-28T19:55:36.599-04:002016-06-28T19:55:36.599-04:00Anyone catch George Will''s hissy fit? Waa...Anyone catch George Will''s hissy fit? Waaa, the mean Trumpites took over the party and nobody wants me anymore! I'm outta here! Good riddance. Go blow Charles Murray or something. I remember when Jesse Ventura feuded with Will, called him a puke. <br /><br />Muh principles. Muh small government. Muh Edmund Burke and the other hallowed "intellectual" idols of modern conservatism. Enough intellect, what about some ass kicking for a change? We're seeing the lines drawn, between the pseudo-brainiacs, the wimps, and the less pretentious/fire in their gut types. We knew it all along, really, who was on our side (Ann Coulter who once sarcastically tweeted about the disproportionate influence of Jews, Buchanan, etc.). Trumpism/rising populism is just making it more obvious.<br /><br />Blood and soil are more inspiring and powerful than pedantic and trite appeals to an "elevated" (e.g. haughty and effete) discourse intended (intentionally or otherwise) to block out those of "incorrect" breeding. After all, G. Will went to Princeton. How dare anyone belittle him or ignore him?<br /><br />It's hard to keep track of all the relatively exciting stuff that's now being printed. Here's a realistic look at globalism, published in Bloomberg of all places: http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-24/-citizens-of-the-world-nice-thought-butFerylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-12898478568842779682016-06-28T18:05:20.785-04:002016-06-28T18:05:20.785-04:00"What a depressive cuck -- drink yourself to ..."What a depressive cuck -- drink yourself to death tonight so we don't have to keep hearing all this womanish complaining."<br /><br />180<br /><br />Ironically victories can make some people even more depressive, since now it feels like their side has made gains and has something to lose. Still, I understand that long, grinding campaigns are emotionally exhausting, but there's no excuse for people panicking and preaching certain doom and hopelessness (assuming they're sincere and not just concern trolls). Nationalism and populism are fighting a scrappy underdog guerrilla war right now, and there will be victories and defeats, but the one absolute certainty is that the current rotten globalist edifice will not endure. In the mean time depressives should take some vitamin D or something and cheer the fuck up.NZTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-40725875188733840342016-06-28T11:01:48.083-04:002016-06-28T11:01:48.083-04:00The consciousness-raising going on in whites remin...The consciousness-raising going on in whites reminds me of what happens when women decide to leave abusive relationships: Women have to acknowledge first and foremost that their abusers don't really love them and don't have their best interests in mind. <br /><br />Now we've seen whites apply this kind of self-assessment regarding their relationship to an abusive globalist elite that despises them. advancedatheistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-56459295124871664232016-06-27T22:58:28.106-04:002016-06-27T22:58:28.106-04:00There's been a surge in concern trolls who are...There's been a surge in concern trolls who are obsessed about race on boards like these. The left gives away their hand every time by resorting to identity politics.<br /><br />As a former lefty, the conversation has been entirely about demographics since "The Emerging Democratic Majority" was released in 2002. Ever since then, there has been a push to make sure as many non-whites flood into the country in hopes of flipping the sun belt because that is where the population growth is happening. It's been the DNC bible ever since.<br /><br />Unfortunately for them, pointing fingers at people and calling them a racist is having less and less of an effect. If everyone is racist, then nobody is racist.Random Dude on the Internetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-32533318163802715442016-06-27T22:41:44.004-04:002016-06-27T22:41:44.004-04:00"straight, white, male and/or Christian"..."straight, white, male and/or Christian" I'm glad you just came out and said that its a bad idea waiting to be replaced by your new one. I look at myself and my family and know exactly where you stand. Most people only speak freely with their own cohorts. Thanks for sharing. Andy Krausehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02330495038046047163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-54290247234542248542016-06-27T18:47:08.150-04:002016-06-27T18:47:08.150-04:00What a depressive cuck -- drink yourself to death ...<i>What a depressive cuck -- drink yourself to death tonight so we don't have to keep hearing all this womanish complaining.</i><br /><br />When the Soviet Army advanced on German villages in 1945, German civilians believed that they are doomed, so many did the rational thing: shot their own children and then themselves rather than anticipate the coming brutalization. Goebbels and his wife poisoned their eight children because they didn't want them indoctrinated into Communism. <br /><br />THAT's what you do when you believe that you are doomed. Any commenter who makes a habit of pessimistic posting obviously does not believe that doom is certain -- he'd be offing his and himself. And yet he writes like he's so sure of the future. He's either a male of weak character who isn't ashamed of demoralizing his side, or he's a globalist shill. <br /><br />I did not write this with "Anonymousse" above in mind, but with various commenters on other blogs who fit the bill in general. <br /><br />PA<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-42837395783204842962016-06-27T17:54:56.293-04:002016-06-27T17:54:56.293-04:00"Viktor Orbán’s hardline position on refugees..."Viktor Orbán’s hardline position on refugees was also an example of this "thank God, I thought I was crazy, but I've found independent confirmation.""<br /><br />But he's not someone who Americans picked up on, and would not have, even if the media reported on it constantly. Slavic countries are a little too far outside of our peer group of nations.<br /><br />They could play the "remove kebab" video on a loop during every commercial break, and most Americans wouldn't awaken as a result.<br /><br />Rome just elected a Mayor from the Five Star Movement party, a populist / anti-Establishment / anti-corruption party that is neither Left nor Right. Cute, too, for a politician (man-jaw aside -- lawyer). Virginia Raggi.<br /><br />It didn't make headlines here, but imagine if a Bernie-Trump party took over as Mayor of London. Whether that or whether a Muslim takes over, London is big news to Americans.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-7677198106545406742016-06-27T17:36:20.930-04:002016-06-27T17:36:20.930-04:00Wow-
I thought you were a bit of a dick on your bl...Wow-<br />I thought you were a bit of a dick on your blog. But you are really a dick on other people's blogs.<br /><br />anonymousseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-76900233704935259462016-06-27T16:51:14.935-04:002016-06-27T16:51:14.935-04:00What a depressive cuck -- drink yourself to death ...What a depressive cuck -- drink yourself to death tonight so we don't have to keep hearing all this womanish complaining.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-45126860183950418302016-06-27T15:17:29.343-04:002016-06-27T15:17:29.343-04:00I'm not so sure. Political rallies always att...I'm not so sure. Political rallies always attract adherents. Even Mitt Romney, who basically inspires noone, had political rallies of enthusiastic Republicans, and had a nice zinger spokesman (remember Clint Eastwood?-maybe I'm mixing up Romney and McCain, but it doesn't matter).<br /><br />The point being: is there real change, or is this just the latest every 4th year opportunity for rural whites to complain about the system but not be able to do anything about it?<br /><br />Specifically: if Trump loses (or even if he wins): what comes next? Is there a whole slate of congressional/senatorial candidates who agree with Trump and carry on? Are there other presidential candidates like Trump waiting to carry on in 2020? <br /><br />It doesn't appear to me to be so. Trump might win, Trump might lose. But it appears to me, that when Trump is gone (2017 or 2021), Trumpism is gone. I'm not seeing a sea change in the country. I'm seeing one 'great man' who's really not going to change much other than, possibly, the occupier of the White House for four years.<br /><br />anonymousseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-63098126530425450142016-06-27T15:05:05.971-04:002016-06-27T15:05:05.971-04:00Viktor Orbán’s hardline position on refugees was a...Viktor Orbán’s hardline position on refugees was also an example of this "thank God, I thought I was crazy, but I've found independent confirmation."<br /><br />He showed that it is possible to defy the EU's quota dictates, secure the borders, and speak clearly about the rationale for those actions.<br /><br />PAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-32502930504352866112016-06-27T14:29:01.020-04:002016-06-27T14:29:01.020-04:00Excellent observations all around. Haven't we...Excellent observations all around. Haven't we all felt emboldened? You can see it in the reports of increased "racism" in the wake of Brexit. We wondered how cucked and cowed the British were, and suddenly we're wondering what radical thing they'll do next. It's amazing and awesome to see this at work.<br /><br />LBF: you might want to wait until there's a clear victory, like people are doing in UK.<br />Peter Bloodhttps://drpeterblood.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com