tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post6266829985534868319..comments2024-03-28T16:34:48.716-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Why didn't Gore contest 2000 election? Shenanigans of their own?agnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-34802448424561380822016-10-07T15:37:28.979-04:002016-10-07T15:37:28.979-04:00My understanding was the democrats only wanted a r...My understanding was the democrats only wanted a recount in certain precincts, that were predominately black and elderly. The Supreme Court ruling denied this and said they had to do a state wide recount. Supposedly the NYT did a full recount later and determined Bush won. CO80401https://www.blogger.com/profile/03257861436000016817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-33958534837050703172016-10-07T08:20:13.671-04:002016-10-07T08:20:13.671-04:00Voter fraud is SOP for the Democrats. Even histor...Voter fraud is SOP for the Democrats. Even historically, the most egregious offenders were Democrats: Tammany Hall, Huey Long, the Daley Machine, etc. The worst and most obvious case was 1960 where even the Wikipedia entry all but admits that Joe Kennedy Sr. paid off every big city boss he could, which explains how JFK would carry states like Missouri (Kansas City and St. Louis) and Nevada (Las Vegas). Basically any major city known for corruption, the state happened to flip towards Kennedy.<br /><br />The advantage Hillary has here is not only will the Democratic machines work for her, even GOP elites like the Bush dynasty are now in her camp. Working class normies who are for Trump are up against a powerful machine. Like the Brexit vote though, enthusiasm and turnout can overturn a corrupt machine like the Democrat GOTV apparatus. That's why every Trump supporter needs to vote for November. Hit the phones, hit the pavement, sign people up for absentee ballots. Anything and everything to overturn the system that will be going full steam for Hillary.Random Dude on the Internetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-78568308352007194902016-10-07T05:42:37.312-04:002016-10-07T05:42:37.312-04:00I think of it a bit differently.
Gore was never p...I think of it a bit differently.<br /><br />Gore was never part of the Clinton's inner circle. He was given much responsibility for a VP, but his hands have always been completely untouched by the various shenanigans the Clintons pulled in the White House. Like Mike Pence, Gore was chosen for VP because he was a Washington insider with years of boring, staid experience that balanced Bill's "outsider" persona" and calmed independents into thinking Bill would have experienced members on board.<br /><br />But Gore and Clinton weren't close. Bill famously called a major newspaper during the 2000 campaign to complain that Gore wasn't doing enough to win. Gore then cut Bill out of a lot of his campaign--or so he thought. But the Clintons still had many of their loyalists working for Gore and embedded in the party power structure at the time, which is their motif (for example, Hillary getting her own former campaign manager Debbie Wasserman-Schultz appointed DNC chair for this election, thus sinking Bernie). <br /><br />I think we can see the hand of the Clintons in Gore's taking the loss. The Clintons were trying to solidify their hold on Democrat power---they wanted to be the Democrat version of the Bushes. The plan for Hillary was to take the senate seat (for which she was currently running) and then have hertake the White House in 2004/2008. Hillary as president then would have consolidated the Clintons as the new Kennedys.<br /><br />But a Gore presidency would have upset this plan. Gore wasn't part of the Clinton inner circle/power structure. He could have set up a rival to their power in the party, especially if he had relative success during his term. Of course Bill wasn't going to openly campaign against him, and still had the ego of wanting his presidency validated by a defacto third term, but the Clintons think longer term and are more power-hungry than all but the Alt-right admit. <br /><br />So when the opportunity presented itself to torpedo Gore's power threat came during the recount, the Clintons pounced. <br /><br />The various Clinton loyalists and campaign workers who worked during the recount were probably nudging Gore to accept defeat "like a man"---all in the service of the Clinton scheme for party-dominance. The upper-echelon Clinton supporters probably told Gore that continuing the challenge would sully Gore's reputation and presidency, hey, you can always run again in 4 years, most of the recount projections are coming out against you, you're opening yourself up to challenges in the other states, you're being viewed as crooked as Bill is, etc. Just a general defeatist attitude overlayed with a sense of inevitability and promise of a new try. <br /><br />It was only later Gore probably realized it was part of a freeze out, and why he ended up going into enviromental scam-jobs (where the Clintons were not strong) and not running again in 2004/2008. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com