tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post521484564254751166..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: The all-female band died from '90s feminism and cocooningagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-84067465254524471542014-07-25T08:14:07.689-04:002014-07-25T08:14:07.689-04:00Meanwhile at heartiste (which I haven't visite...Meanwhile at heartiste (which I haven't visited in months), it's assumed that women nowadays have an overload of testosterone, which is considered a bad thing. <br /><br />The girls in your "good ol days" photo do have very pronounced jawlines. newdaysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-88843967455496268612014-07-22T00:41:50.067-04:002014-07-22T00:41:50.067-04:00Swedish movie about 12 your old girls who form a p...Swedish movie about 12 your old girls who form a punk band and persist in being untalented (except for the devout Christian classical guitar playing girl they rope in):<br />http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2014/07/we_are_the_best_directed_by_lukas_moodysson_reviewed.html<br /><br />I've probably mentioned before that punk accepts and to some extent even valorizes untalented amateurs*. As the magazine cover said "Here's one chord. Here's another. Here's a third. Go form a band". In a sense they would agree with John Phillips Sousa, who bemoaned the introduction of phonographs which withered the capacities of the young, habituated to listening to mass production rather than creating their own. Punk tends to aim at breaking down the distinction between performer and audience; they may play without a stage (Rocket From the Crypt has never played a venue with one) and thrust the microphone into the maw of the attendees more often than that of the singer.<br />*Eater would seem to be an echt-example, since the kids literally stole instruments to pose for a photo when the lie they made up about forming a band made it to a reporter. But I actually prefer three out of four covers on their first album to the originals, and not merely in a Portsmouth Sinfonia sense.<br /><br />Randall Collins noted in "Violence: A Microsociological Theory" how the moshing and slam-dancing of punk was in some sense a move by the audience to reclaim the focus of attention that had once been typical of music in the pre-star era when it was intended to facilitate dancing. Many songs heavily feature anti-harmony (call-and-response) and the expectation that the audience will chant along; in the case of Oi this may mean simply using their football club's chant which the audience will be used to singing on the terraces. It's difficult for a mass of amateurs to distinguish themselves; deindividualization is often enough part of the appeal, ironic for a genre associated with individualism.TGGPhttp://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-331902216703266172014-07-18T18:42:04.768-04:002014-07-18T18:42:04.768-04:00Don't talk like such a speech nazi.Don't talk like such a speech nazi.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-14627507145898700802014-07-18T10:01:30.804-04:002014-07-18T10:01:30.804-04:00'Feminazis'. Please, not you as well! The ...'Feminazis'. Please, not you as well! The NSDAP were probably the most ANTI-Feminist political group in history; they believed men should be men and women should be women. Kinder, kirche, kuche.<br /><br />Study where feminism starts and you'll realize that femimarxist, femizionist, femilesbian, femileftist are all much more accurate descriptions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-32252451285935049412014-07-16T17:55:36.398-04:002014-07-16T17:55:36.398-04:00Gen X (1965-1986) is more like the G.I. Generation...Gen X (1965-1986) is more like the G.I. Generation. Millenials(1987-?) are more like the Silents. albeit, they are different in some respects because they came of age in a time of inequality, as opposed to a time of equality, such as the Silents.<br />Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-88052780560847110152014-07-16T15:11:43.536-04:002014-07-16T15:11:43.536-04:00Right, you tend to be more like your grandparents ...Right, you tend to be more like your grandparents than your parents, since there's a roughly 60-year period between peaks (or valleys) in the cocooning-and-crime cycle, and that's more like a distance of two generations.<br /><br />Millennials are the new Silent Gen. Who raised the naive and timid Silents? The savvy and streetwise flappers of the Greatest Gen, whose formative years were the Jazz Age / Roaring Twenties.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-39777989058505473732014-07-16T14:34:15.773-04:002014-07-16T14:34:15.773-04:00Another layer of irony in this is that who raised ...Another layer of irony in this is that who raised the timid, men-avoiding women-children that so many Millineal girls have grown up to be? The confident women of the 1980's did, that's who. In the early 1980's, it was unthinkable that the outgoing, fun-loving Valley Girls would grow up to be overbearing helecopter mothers you often talk about.MTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-50123003739445989392014-07-16T03:51:04.737-04:002014-07-16T03:51:04.737-04:00Lots of bands are studio constructed bands and I t...Lots of bands are studio constructed bands and I think the Runaways were one of those, a studio created them and marketed them and all that. They didn't do that well in the US though I think their music is better than people give them credit for.<br /><br />Though I lean metal over punk I find their music has a certain 70's bad girl energy to it , you can feel the subculture and their signature song Cherry Bomb is just venomous.<br /><br />However your premise could not be more true no one will care about the 1990's and there will be no revival .<br /><br /> The thing about the 1990's though is that it's a weird short decade like no other , as i see it the election of Bill Clinton is the intro to the first part of the decade (93-95) and the Internet era 1995-2000 the second and to be honest I doubt anyone is nostalgic for them outside marketing departments.<br /><br />Some media people will care about (1997 was a very good movie year) but the rest will be justly forgotten I suspect <br /><br />A.B. Prospernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-35950365032046873432014-07-15T21:48:48.164-04:002014-07-15T21:48:48.164-04:00Sleater-KinneySleater-KinneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-57961347361158451372014-07-15T19:40:18.513-04:002014-07-15T19:40:18.513-04:00By my very strict standards, The Bangles were the ...By my very strict standards, The Bangles were the only girl band, ever. They actually played instruments. They had great taste in covers and wrote great originals.They were good looking. And they were not (to my knowledge) the "get-himself-laid" project of a male svengali. They are an absolutely singular phenomenon in the history of pop music.Fazenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-73616664895509798572014-07-15T12:14:27.595-04:002014-07-15T12:14:27.595-04:00As a 70s music fan, I have to admit I never heard ...As a 70s music fan, I have to admit I never heard of Fanny or Clout. Just checked out a couple of youtube videos. Fanny looks totally lesbian while Clout does have a couple of 'feminine' members. But as far as music is concerned, Fanny really rocks! They did hard rock much better than later female rocker chicks like Joan Jett, Pat Benatar or Melissa Etheridge. Thanks for making me discover this, as far as I am concerned, new band! And your description of the Bangles is perfect. They were all those things. Susanna Hoffs still sings, and she's quite good. SDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-57774856677431445422014-07-15T00:20:39.268-04:002014-07-15T00:20:39.268-04:00Don't really care for Lita, but I was never mu...Don't really care for Lita, but I was never much for the Runaways either. Guess I lean metal? Although Joan Jett wasn't metal either.<br /><br />I've never seen it, but there's an early 80s movie called "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains" about an all-female punk band that gets big basically because of the media attention of them being just that, even though they don't have any musical talent.TGGPhttp://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-38979700280866397782014-07-14T23:51:59.549-04:002014-07-14T23:51:59.549-04:00"The reference to Joan Jett reminds me that t..."The reference to Joan Jett reminds me that the Runaways aren't on there taking up half the 70s slots, but they apparently only had a hit in Japan."<br /><br />I should've mentioned their place in the bogus hagiography of the past 20 years. I don't remember hearing about them until the mid-'90s -- didn't do anything for me, haven't listened to them since. Yet somehow they're mythic figures, have a recent movie about them, etc. etc. etc. But they're not good!<br /><br />Critic nerds cannot stand how unpretentious and well-crafted pop music was in the '80s. So we can't hear about Joan Jett or Lita Ford. We have to hear about an unremarkable punk band from the '70s that they both used to be in, before they really knew what they were doing.<br /><br />That's a pretty good litmus test for whether a music critic responds to music or not -- a good majority of them are deaf and numb. Do they have whatever opinion they have about Joan Jett and Lita Ford, while regarding the Runaways as more of a goof, and find it funny that people take them seriously? Or do they try to build the myth of the Runaways as a real band?<br /><br />I sense the metalheads regarding the Runaways as a harmless goof before Joan and Lita began rocking for real, while the punk crowd wants to make a leap of faith in the church of the Runaways. Metalheads respond to music, punks do not.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-67075695826525082082014-07-14T20:48:15.040-04:002014-07-14T20:48:15.040-04:00"
so in addition to the all girl bands, the 8..."<br />so in addition to the all girl bands, the 80s had more girl performers in the rock genre who had real musical talent."<br /><br />in general, cocooning times promote mediocrity, at least it seems that way to me.Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-80975924205493085442014-07-14T20:19:19.525-04:002014-07-14T20:19:19.525-04:00modern feminism only benefits bureacrats.modern feminism only benefits bureacrats.Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-46223122021540051042014-07-14T20:02:16.993-04:002014-07-14T20:02:16.993-04:00Hadn't heard of most of them, despite my affin...Hadn't heard of most of them, despite <a href="http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2009/11/how-to-empower-women-who-want-to-be.html?showComment=1258000037163#c2604599498871610223" rel="nofollow">my affinities</a> for what Adam Cadre terms "<a href="http://adamcadre.ac/calendar/200801m.html" rel="nofollow">frock rock</a>". The UK bit explains some of that. Girlschool would be the one outside of the 90s I like.<br /><br />Some of the decline is the result of actual rock music being displaced from the charts by hip-hop/EDM/"urban pop" or whatever.<br /><br />The reference to Joan Jett reminds me that the Runaways aren't on there taking up half the 70s slots, but they apparently only had a hit in Japan.TGGPhttp://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-58548058446646187762014-07-14T15:58:46.633-04:002014-07-14T15:58:46.633-04:00I used to love the Bangles. Every adjective you us...I used to love the Bangles. Every adjective you used to describe them was spot on. Much better than that disheveled freak that was that Madonna accident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-74935659674675206542014-07-14T11:09:23.979-04:002014-07-14T11:09:23.979-04:00Odd - I was just listening to Fanny yesterday. The...Odd - I was just listening to Fanny yesterday. They still hold up.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16046202647270439670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-45173285943088389682014-07-14T09:15:29.713-04:002014-07-14T09:15:29.713-04:00excellent analysis
I remember the 80s well, turn...excellent analysis <br /><br />I remember the 80s well, turned 16 in 1985. In addition to the girl bands of the 80s we seemed to have more female rock performers, like Blondie , Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, Chrissie Hynde , Heart , Tina Turner, Annie Lennox, Stevie Nicks, Patty Smith and Cyndi Lauper.<br /><br />These females all had talent and were very popular with male and female fans. In addition these females embraced their feminine side, yet maintained a rock persona which attracted male fans.<br /><br />so true that the feminization of society and the feminist agenda have weakened the role of females in our culture. The fear of men was not evident from these 80 female rockers. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />so in addition to the all girl bands, the 80s had more girl performers in the rock genre who had real musical talent. <br />jovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17255734827055994617noreply@blogger.com