tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post3633423669588793012..comments2024-03-28T21:56:51.675-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Street Fighter vs. Mortal Kombat in a broader perspectiveagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-66969862883670668882013-04-13T14:26:43.860-04:002013-04-13T14:26:43.860-04:00Pretty interesting stuff.
Mortal Kombat had a bun...Pretty interesting stuff.<br /><br />Mortal Kombat had a bunch of faceless ninjas and monks, and weird-looking monsters. Street Fighter had more human characters(except for that green guy).<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-17682203547040200462013-04-03T20:35:16.195-04:002013-04-03T20:35:16.195-04:00GoldenEye was pretty cool, but now that I think ab...GoldenEye was pretty cool, but now that I think about it, it did kinda put you in zombie mode. Plus the friend I always played would always hide in one area where he could see you but there was hardly any way of shooting him. So I usually got dominated. FWGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-33435938240220918602013-04-03T20:24:19.534-04:002013-04-03T20:24:19.534-04:00I knew there were reasons I always preferred Stree...I knew there were reasons I always preferred Street Fighter.FWGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-32758815150447896872013-04-01T00:49:31.238-04:002013-04-01T00:49:31.238-04:00Only Jewish link here is some dweeb trying to star...Only Jewish link here is some dweeb trying to start a slap fight on the internet.<br /><br />If you were aiming for funny, you should've introduced a new title. Like, "Would be stoked to hear your take on the unconventional conservativism of Boogerman."agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-6362854854081039422013-04-01T00:12:00.991-04:002013-04-01T00:12:00.991-04:00this was a thrilling take on the unconventional co...this was a thrilling take on the unconventional conservativism of mortal kombat. what jewish links do you see in the repeated upgraded editions of mortal kombat 3 and stret fighter 2 that were nothing more than palette swaps and wasted quarters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-52082037272820606372013-03-30T13:02:32.636-04:002013-03-30T13:02:32.636-04:00"Hard to find any stats"
And you'd ..."Hard to find any stats"<br /><br />And you'd want to make sure you got all the major games, like the Grand Theft Auto series, which (from what I saw of my brother playing it) seems to be the worst for all-against-all multiplayer.<br /><br />The Wikipedia articles for GoldenEye and Perfect Dark say that you can play the multiplayer in team mode, but we never did. It was always free-for-all.<br /><br />Maybe there's a change in the last couple years, though.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-20815733055618923122013-03-30T12:54:52.111-04:002013-03-30T12:54:52.111-04:00"Fighting games are pretty much dead"
I..."Fighting games are pretty much dead"<br /><br />It seems like they were displaced by the first-person shooters. I should write up a little something on that too.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-50923749927559484912013-03-29T18:12:12.454-04:002013-03-29T18:12:12.454-04:00My recollection is that if you include the crossov...My recollection is that if you include the crossover spinoffs I mentioned, the Street Fighter arcade cabinets were more common than Mortal Kombat.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-86343945799058028542013-03-29T09:42:08.876-04:002013-03-29T09:42:08.876-04:00In Europe AFAIK Street Fighter 2 was more popular ...In Europe AFAIK Street Fighter 2 was more popular than Mortal Kombat, FWIW. <br /><br />Street Fighter had a lot of sequels, and SF4 is going quite strong, but it's no way near mainstream. Most people never played anything else than SF2. Virtua Fighter and Tekken are mostly geek affairs.<br /><br />Fighting games are pretty much dead, I wonder what that says about millennials.<br /><br /><br /><br />spandrellhttp://bloodyshovel.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-86988952716008708452013-03-29T06:33:53.461-04:002013-03-29T06:33:53.461-04:00NB According to the wiki for (what I believe) is t...NB According to the wiki for (what I believe) is the most popular current FPS http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Team_Deathmatch - <i>"Team Deathmatch is usually the most played game mode at any given time, and is considered the most popular"</i><br /><br />Hard to find any stats, but this link claims to have some, http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2269025.html , wherein the team based modes have about 5-10x popularity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-19538679554510424752013-03-29T06:17:20.413-04:002013-03-29T06:17:20.413-04:00In Pong you're not beating the other player up...<i>In Pong you're not beating the other player up, it's more abstract competition like a board game.</i><br /><br />I can see what you mean, but it's not like players are actually trying to hurt anyone. Kung fu and martial arts can be friendly competition and as terms show linear growth from the 70s to today, in terms of popularity. (Boxing and wrestling seem to map up better as slightly more popular in the 30s-50s than before or after, even inc 1990s-2000s pro wrestling goofiness).<br /><br /><i>Though these days you can play online with a bunch of other people, and typically that takes the form of all-against-all, not people on team A vs. people on team B.</i><br /><br />I don't really know much about it, but google search doesn't reveal a clear sign that cooperative multiplayer modes are less popular. <br /><br />Purely team based first person shooters like Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress seem pretty huge, as do team based modes in other games that aren't like that.<br /><br />I think the primary play mode of MMORPGs (big world multiplayer games, typically role playing) which are among the most popular is player versus monster, where a group teams up against a monster.<br />That being the case, even if there is no more anti-social intent, team based games might take a bit of a beating from a general trend to be less sociable (so it's hard to get a team together and even if you don't have any more anti-sociality, team based highs might not hit people so much).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-88291478821171611562013-03-28T22:37:29.758-04:002013-03-28T22:37:29.758-04:00"character fungibility"
They even looke..."character fungibility"<br /><br />They even looked more similar than the characters in Street Fighter. Scorpion and Sub Zero were the same guy in two different colors. It got worse with II, where Reptile was that way too. And the two chick characters were the same but different colors. That Kung Lao guy always seemed like a rip-off of Liu Kang too.<br /><br />With Street Fighter, Ken and Ryu were very similar, but at least looked different. Otherwise they all looked and played differently.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-39747454408739649482013-03-28T22:30:44.057-04:002013-03-28T22:30:44.057-04:00"There were hordes of Street Fighter II seque..."There were hordes of Street Fighter II sequels."<br /><br />Yeah, but they weren't commonly played. We might have rented the updates for the Super Nintendo just to fool around with the turbo option or play as the bosses. But they weren't like totally new games that we kept up with buying and playing regularly.<br /><br />Especially after that Super Street Fighter one -- that was way different, making use of combos, which put it more in the study-hard / test-taking category. Most of us never knew about any new ones after that, like the Alpha series.<br /><br />You said you played one from that series on a "Dreamcast" -- what was that? I remember seeing one of those in college, and that was it.<br /><br />Compared to Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat was everywhere. Especially in the kind of mid-'90s when II was huge in the arcades and in homes. People weren't still crowded around the Street Fighter arcade games by then, and it felt like it had stalled out on home consoles too.<br /><br />" I think everyone can agree: The original Street Fighter game sucked."<br /><br />I actually found an arcade cabinet of that one in an Ames (like K-mart) around '93. What a huge disappointment.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-2726609159167575202013-03-28T22:19:53.218-04:002013-03-28T22:19:53.218-04:00"I had some fun sleepover parties involving S..."I had some fun sleepover parties involving Street Fighter II"<br /><br />Easy way to kill an hour or two when there was nothing else going on during a sleepover. I don't think other games were that fun. Maybe Mario Kart. Later it was GoldenEye and Mario Kart 64, though only Mario Kart was any real fun. GoldenEye just puts you into zombie mode somehow.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-69989075532088729342013-03-28T19:21:58.148-04:002013-03-28T19:21:58.148-04:00"Pong (1 player vs 1 player) is anti-social?&..."Pong (1 player vs 1 player) is anti-social?"<br /><br />In Pong you're not beating the other player up, it's more abstract competition like a board game.<br /><br />"they're not interesting to compete against like humans"<br /><br />Though these days you can play online with a bunch of other people, and typically that takes the form of all-against-all, not people on team A vs. people on team B.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-90610825466842043122013-03-28T18:58:24.114-04:002013-03-28T18:58:24.114-04:00Funny, just a couple hours ago I was talking to a ...Funny, just a couple hours ago I was talking to a co-worker about Mortal Kombat, mentioning that I was a Street Fighter partisan. She played Mortal Kombat on Sega Genesis though.<br /><br />There were hordes of Street Fighter II sequels. World Warriors became practically synonymous with SF2 (I think it just added a few more characters). Then there was Street Fighter Alpha. My brother and I would play co-op mode of SFA3 on our Dreamcast, sometimes having a hundred-hand-slap equivalent on both sides of the computer opponent. We figured it deserved that for being cheap to us so often. I also recall seeing Street Fighter 3 in arcades (a looong time after SF2), but I don't think that was as popular as the Alphas or the Marvel vs Capcom (previously X-Men vs Street Fighter) games, though more popular than the game based on the Street Fighter movie. I think Capcom also crossed over with SNK, known in Japan for the King of Fighters games.<br /><br />One thing I liked about SF vs MK is that the special move combinations were smooth and could more easily be performed on a joystick. With MK you had to tap rather than hold the direction buttons. I thought the focus on snazzy graphics & fatalities distracted from gameplay. Later on MK switched to using 3D animation rather than 2D photo/videographed images, but I didn't care for that either.<br /><br />But on one thing, I think everyone can agree: The original Street Fighter game sucked.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-66390877097558095452013-03-28T16:57:13.908-04:002013-03-28T16:57:13.908-04:00I had some fun sleepover parties involving Street ...I had some fun sleepover parties involving Street Fighter II back in 3rd grade. I was indifferent about Mortal Kombat because learning all the finishing move button combinations was way too hard when there were better things to do.<br /><br />In keeping with your point, the sequel-sequels Street Fighter II: Turbo and Street Fighter II: Championship Edition added more characters and more moves to the existing characters, following the same trend as Mortal Kombat.<br /><br />Regarding character fungibility, I remember a lot of the newer players liked Chun Li because there was a low learning curve due to her jumping ability. You just had to jump around and wail on the kick buttons. If you were really good, on the other hand, you could challenge yourself with Zangief.Jokah Macphersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04185675633464395897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-5246225236713544412013-03-28T14:51:14.484-04:002013-03-28T14:51:14.484-04:00With greater social isolation, kids weren't as...<i>With greater social isolation, kids weren't as interested in team play, and the player vs. player games sprang up to meet the new demand for anti-social ways of playing video games.</i><br /><br />I dunno man. Pong (1 player vs 1 player) is anti-social? Computers are just pretty dumb unless they cheat or use their perfect reactions, and they're not interesting to compete against like humans (autistic people may argue otherwise, but...). You can argue that a more pro-social and teamwork oriented world would have seen greater strides in AI, I guess.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Mortal Kombat was kind of an interesting standout series, in terms of being a relatively popular 2d fighting game.<br /><br />It is very US centric, and other, less violent and longer falling violence nations never really had any perceivable interest, preferring more visually stylised Japanese origin stuff (which is still the most popular in the UK). Even the fighting game scene in the US is largely disdainful of Mortal Kombat, particularly the fatality aspect.<br /><br />The Japanese companies largely went on making 2d fighting titles with increasingly stylised graphics - e.g. Vampire Saviour, Street Fighter 3rd Strike, Marvel Vs Capcom, King of Fighters, Guilty Gear.<br /><br />Realism came though in Japanese games in the form of 3d fighting games like Virtua Fighter (currently the most popular in Japan since the 2000s afaik), which did tend to have fairly empty stages (as they need to be not to get in the way of the fighters, like a boxing ring) and realistic / polygonal designs, but with absolutely no gore or blood (less than Street Fighter 2).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com