tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post3388364548387793250..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Voting for neither major party, 1788 to 2012 agnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-91615558669246390562012-11-13T12:38:26.364-05:002012-11-13T12:38:26.364-05:00Florida.Florida.Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-75172669674435513492012-11-08T20:20:09.139-05:002012-11-08T20:20:09.139-05:00Not to get too sidetracked, but, now that I think ...Not to get too sidetracked, but, now that I think about it, "Colorado liberals" are more like blue-collar types who hitch themselves to New Agey stuff, just have a sheen of sophistication.<br /><br />-Curtis<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-83013788539197061162012-11-08T19:14:56.333-05:002012-11-08T19:14:56.333-05:00Also, it's easier to have a "stupid polic...Also, it's easier to have a "stupid police chief" in a movie than a tv show. Tv shows run for a long time with lasting relationships between characters, and even heel characters tend to be lent sympathy at some point. Movies are shorter and Harry can turn in his badge to pursue things on his own.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-700013778223363362012-11-08T19:13:34.598-05:002012-11-08T19:13:34.598-05:00Yeah I don't know if they're gonna make it...Yeah I don't know if they're gonna make it or not. They'll probably join up with New Mexico and maybe even large parts of Texas, which is increasingly turning Hispanic and thus liberal.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-56868223130039744332012-11-08T19:13:14.858-05:002012-11-08T19:13:14.858-05:00According to Gelman, roughly 30% of the population...According to <a href="http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/11/08/303040-nation/" rel="nofollow">Gelman</a>, roughly 30% of the population voted for Obama, 30% for Romney, and 40% didn't (with roughly 1 out of that 40 voting for a third party, the rest not voting.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-37224850244564399742012-11-08T19:08:54.933-05:002012-11-08T19:08:54.933-05:00Colorado seems like a dumping ground for various e...Colorado seems like a dumping ground for various extremist liberals.<br /><br />-CurtisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-305320045712269352012-11-08T15:44:34.632-05:002012-11-08T15:44:34.632-05:00Are you near West Virginia by any chance? The hill...Are you near West Virginia by any chance? The hillbilly side of my family is from around eastern Ohio, W VA, and western PA. It was pretty solid when I visited my grandparents in the '80s, or not disintegrating anyway.<br /><br />But when I've been back there in the past 5 years, the whole place is on life support. The brain drain that began, I forget, but sometime from the '50s to the '70s, has sucked the upper half and more of the bell curve out, at least to Columbus OH, perhaps even further out to other parts of the country.<br /><br />Nobody is under 40 years old, except for the poor teenagers and children who can't pick up and leave for college just yet. Young adults visiting from outside seem like aliens from outer space.<br /><br />All of the graffiti is 25 years old or more -- Van Halen, "I Love Susie" (now an older name), and so on.<br /><br />And the people who remain are in a vegetative and what-are-you-looking-at kind of state. Just one day after another of boredom and depression, relying mostly on the self-medication of booze, cigarettes, and TV.<br /><br />.... Anyway, that's a long way of saying that the old bastion of hillbilly and redneck conservatism is beyond repair at this point. Its goose is cooked.<br /><br />If conservatives want to turn things around, I think they're going to have to start moving out to the Mountain states, or at least the Plains states. There's a lot more social cohesion, less depressing dysfunction, and more civic infrastructure out here compared to the Appalachians or the Deep South.<br /><br />Arizona will probably become the leader, kind of like southern California during the good old days. And there's still plenty of Scotch-Irish genes out here, especially up in Montana.<br /><br />We're getting all sorts of refugees from the West Coast, and they're bringing some degree of liberal faggot pollution with them. But if they've bailed on the West Coast before it's already sunk, they at least have some common sense and pragmatism.<br /><br />When the country starts breaking up, I can't see the Southeast and the Mountain / Plains states joining up. It would beat being kept under the thumb of blue state America, but there's just too many differences.<br /><br />I wish 'em the best, especially if they feel too attached to their land to move, but the Mountain West is where the show is at now.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-20012569261065228052012-11-08T15:28:51.045-05:002012-11-08T15:28:51.045-05:00I found this after I went canvassing and this man,...I found this after I went canvassing and this man, a Dem strategist, absolutely nailed so many of the people I came across:<br /><br />“They suck lemons,” Hart said with a chuckle on MSNBC’s Daily Rundown on Wednesday morning. “I mean, they are the sourest people I have ever — beyond really negative. ‘Neither’ is their favorite answer. . . . We’re talking about ‘up for grabs’ people, but in reality, a lot of these people are not going to vote.”<br /><br />http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49086377#49086377<br /><br />hilarious, but sadly, spot-on.<br /><br />Only one Ron Paul voter out of 60+ I came across. Had so much fun with him, encouraging him to tell me, so I could write down, why he was voting for Paul :)<br />Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-47222005310702758142012-11-08T15:17:11.903-05:002012-11-08T15:17:11.903-05:00When I went canvassing, I wondered how could Mitt ...When I went canvassing, I wondered how could Mitt win when so many Scots-Irish people did not care about ANYTHING. They were afraid and hid or were hostile to me and my little girls for being STRANGERS (not identifiable as canvassers). <br /><br />This does not take away from anything I said at Steve's about improvement on issues and mechanics, but I also sensed we were up against something very fundamental, cocooning and complacency, that you can't do anything about. <br />I only went out once. <br />I said to myself that they probably don't even go to church and weren't going to cast a vote, not even a third-party one.<br /><br />If you don't believe me that this wasn't related to politics, one canvasser went out dressed up and was easily identifiable and caught flack about "soliciting" from a woman sporting a Romney bumper sticker on her car! My friend got the woman to calm down by pointing out said bumper sticker and how it was different than others! Could you imagine a black person with an Obama sticker treating a black Obama canvasser this way?<br /><br />If you're right, Agnostic, the "white party" is partly held hostage to the storm und drang of so many of its members. Helps explain the evangelical turn-out in '80, '84, partly in '88, and '04.Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-65453295979072678862012-11-08T11:40:56.368-05:002012-11-08T11:40:56.368-05:00Ross Perot was exciting too.
Ross Perot was exciting too. <br /><br />asnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-26794767219150219062012-11-08T00:12:18.572-05:002012-11-08T00:12:18.572-05:00"In the vigilante movies, there's always ..."In the vigilante movies, there's always a "Stupid Police Chief" "<br /><br />It's amazing how much the cop genre has changed from that era to Law & Order (and spin-offs), CSI, etc.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-6016785170276156032012-11-08T00:10:58.254-05:002012-11-08T00:10:58.254-05:00Last time around it seemed like the latish 1950s w...Last time around it seemed like the latish 1950s when teenagers started colonizing public spaces again. The first year of the rising crime rate was 1959, so it doesn't take criminals long to sense the shift in public vs. private space occupation.<br /><br />Adding 60 years to guess when it would happen this time, maybe around the end of this decade?agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-77855463270199361982012-11-07T23:36:51.391-05:002012-11-07T23:36:51.391-05:00You've talked a lot about coccooning nowadays ...You've talked a lot about coccooning nowadays in a low crime environment. When does low crime start leading to naive use of public space?TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-73470289155872379552012-11-07T20:20:12.670-05:002012-11-07T20:20:12.670-05:00During rising-crime, government authority is seen ...During rising-crime, government authority is seen as counterproductive, corrupt, or just plain incompetent.<br /><br />In the vigilante movies, there's always a "Stupid Police Chief" who's either a self-serving bureacrat, or has his hands tied by procedures and "liberal judges"(at least one of the schwarzenegger movies used that term).<br /><br />In E.T., the bad guys are faceless government agents or CIA agents.<br /><br />In the original Star Wars movies, the empire was evil and corrupt, but also bureacratically inept, being whooped by a bunch of teddy bears.<br /><br />-CurtisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com