tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post2799945234294170504..comments2024-03-28T18:59:21.172-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Generational splits in being assertive, passive, or just plain awkwardagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-5924890283840207122015-06-01T23:29:23.759-04:002015-06-01T23:29:23.759-04:00"Millenials are also more choleric, but not a..."Millenials are also more choleric, but not as effective. they are amateur versions of the Boomers - want to rebel, but not experienced enough to do it."<br /><br />It depends on what you mean by rebel. Boomers and Silents hated the "dull" establishment, though Silents weren't as brash about it. Growing up in a period of high equality/prosperity and relative safety (the late Boomers, not so much), they acted defiantly snotty about the very things that made that prosperity possible. Now they've destroyed everything that the G.I. Gen. fought for. Some "rebellion" (by a bunch of over privileged fools).<br /><br />X-er's have understandably hated Boomer nostalgia and having to deal with a society wrecked by the Me Generation. Yet they've kept a wary distance, perhaps intellectually rebelling but basically sitting things out. They've just bided their time, perhaps naively, in no particular hurry to move things along. <br /><br />I think it's in the nature of human cultural cycles for a generation like the X-ers to think that eventually things would move along. Because in prior eras, things did transition on account of disease and infirmity doing the job for younger generations.<br /><br />As for Millennials being amatuer Boomers. Well, they do have a similar antsy-ness to do stuff. The benign difference is that Millennials are more empathetic and less interested in shooting first and asking questions later. I still believe that with the nature of modern tech/medicine, it is going to take a truly choleric generation to instigate change. Which will be late Millennials/the Homeland gen. that's born from about 2000-2020.<br /><br />Homelanders will be the first gen since the Silents to openly diss their elders. The good news is that unlike Silents/Boomers, they've got very good reasons to be pissed off. Also, unlike Silents they will reach or be in adolescence/young adulthood during an outgoing time period. Which ought to be good for socialization.<br /><br />It doesn't really make sense to single out Millennials for ineffectual rebellion when X-ers haven't done much either. Both gens have kept their composure for the most part as jobs got crappier, education became more of a racket, banks/insurance companies got skeezier, and so on.<br /><br />Boomers, on the other hand, got worked up over everything when they were young. And still do. To the detriment of innocent people, too, since Boomers don't know when to draw the line.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-78024166551421855882015-06-01T00:34:51.751-04:002015-06-01T00:34:51.751-04:00Millenials are also more choleric, but not as effe...Millenials are also more choleric, but not as effective. they are amateur versions of the Boomers - want to rebel, but not experienced enough to do it.Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-71456894922766737272015-05-31T10:24:14.268-04:002015-05-31T10:24:14.268-04:00"(The only podcasts or YouTube series I keep ..."(The only podcasts or YouTube series I keep in touch with are video game-related. I got bored with video games 15-20 years ago, but they're such a huge medium that I need to pay attention to them if I want to keep my finger on the pop cultural pulse.)"<br /><br />I've turned to podcasts since I can only listen to so much 80's music before I lament how shitty post 1992 culture is. I did used to listen to mainstream talk radio, but I (and a lot of other people) have gotten so tired of Boomers goofing off and preaching that I don't want to enable the mainstream media anymore.<br /><br />Back in the 90's, I thought that the middle aged people I saw on TV and heard on the radio would eventually be replaced by shiny new models who would be relevant to America's future. But nope, we're going to be stuck Groundhog Day style in Boomer land until we knock the bullhorn from their hands and choke them out.<br /><br />Do the Me Gen putzes running the media realize that Millennials and X-ers are finally calling their bluff? Outside of some cool movies and music, late Silents and Boomers have done nothing but crap where everyone eats over the last 50 years. Do they really believe that younger people would tolerate this indefinitely?Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-53097039644844851852015-05-31T10:01:50.042-04:002015-05-31T10:01:50.042-04:00I do agree with you guys about how periods influen...I do agree with you guys about how periods influence the character of a generation. But I think that's part of it rather than the only thing that matters.<br /><br />Basically, there's the inherent temperament/values of a generation and then there's the climate that a generation grows up. On second thought, I'm not so sure that the Homeland gen. will be as screwed up as Silents. Though the two generations have a similar temperament, the Silents grew up totally in a cocooning period while the Homeland generation will be the first generation since the Boomers to come of age partly or totally in a outgoing period.<br /><br />Perhaps Homelands won't be as pervy and psychopathic as Silents.<br /><br />It's possible that the coolest people are phlegmatic/sanguine generations who grow up in outgoing/rising equality periods. The Greatest Gen always came off as unpretentious, selfless, and happy.<br /><br />On the other hand, Boomers initially were a serious headache in the 60's and 70's since they chafed at elders who didn't want greater competitiveness and upheaval.<br /><br />After the Greatest Gen. faded away in the 80's, Boomers had a lot more fun since there was no one around to tell them to behave themselves. Perhaps Boomers are superficially more mature and more willing to take the bull by the horns partly due to growing up in an outgoing era, but I think they would be aggressive no matter what. They are passionate, confident, and self gratification oriented. I suppose these traits would be less pronounced and Boomers would be more petulant and kiddie if they had grown up in a less outgoing era. But Boomers would still be ass kickers to some degree.<br /><br />Meanwhile, stolid X-ers, even the ones born in the mid 60's (hence, they spent 2-2 1/2 decades in an outgoing period), were much less inclined to be in your face. Phlegmatic/Melancholy generations, even if they grew up in outgoing periods, still have some degree of humility and caution guiding their behavior.<br /><br />Agnostic is saying that X-ers have a sort of Zen like "coming down" from their activities. I dunno, I think sanguine generations like the Boomers and Millennials are apt to (mis?)read this state as undue self consciousness or woe is me slacking. It doesn't have to be one or the other; I think it depends on the X-er and the mood their in.<br /><br />I often get the impression that a lot of X-ers are nervous about being seen as too cocky, too conceited, too hyper, etc. They seem to be nervous about others (esp. generation mates) slapping them down for going too far. Just compare the vocal styles of late Boomers (shamelessly enthusiastic), to 60's X-ers (a tad more reserved but still energetic) to 70's X-ers (much more flat and often self aware sounding).Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-12439638370440308082015-05-30T22:59:08.868-04:002015-05-30T22:59:08.868-04:00Maybe X-ers get defensive about the whole angst th...Maybe X-ers get defensive about the whole angst thing and would rather have their introspection and caution be though of as just that, rather than undue worrying.<br /><br />I think it's a high or low activity/energy thing. We alternate from one to the other with each generation. But it's got little to do with integrity or value. Silents being more even keel doesn't change that fact they still fundamentally are self centered assholes. X-ers are similarly low activity but at least they've got a heart.<br /><br />Millennials may come off as pushy or spastic but they do generally mean well, even if they can be so obnoxious that you just want them to be go away. The bold Boomers, like I say, got a lot of shit from day one, but not always for the right reasons. And some of that blame should've gone to people born in the 30's and early 40's.<br /><br />I still think that the real terrors are being born right now. Millennials are easy to spook, headstrong Boomers on the other hand are stubborn about refusing to sit down and listen. The Homeland gen might be similar about wanting their way.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-33769986264789400072015-05-30T22:00:36.139-04:002015-05-30T22:00:36.139-04:00Part of what you're sensing about X-ers is tha...Part of what you're sensing about X-ers is that they can feel satiety, relief, catharsis, etc., rather than constantly chasing after one kind of rush or another due to feeling unsatisfied.<br /><br />That goes along with X-ers being more corporeal (negative feedback after some kind of peak, returns the body / senses to a baseline state), and Millennials being more mental, so to speak (the realm of thought having no such negative feedback leading to a refractory state and satiety).agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-72384661588532554442015-05-30T21:53:43.983-04:002015-05-30T21:53:43.983-04:00"The ones born around 1983 seem to be noticea..."The ones born around 1983 seem to be noticeably more excitable and upbeat."<br /><br />It's more like they have addictive personalities. The non-depressed ones come off as frenetic and spastic, and the depressed ones as joyless opiate chewers.<br /><br />JonTron and Pete Dorr are great examples of the two flavors that Millennial addictive personalities come in.<br /><br />(The only podcasts or YouTube series I keep in touch with are video game-related. I got bored with video games 15-20 years ago, but they're such a huge medium that I need to pay attention to them if I want to keep my finger on the pop cultural pulse.)agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-78386542316187342502015-05-30T21:37:21.265-04:002015-05-30T21:37:21.265-04:00With regard to Silent arrogance and blundering-
Te...With regard to Silent arrogance and blundering-<br />Ted Kennedy (a '32 birth) was no older than 33 when he led the charge for the '65 immigration bill, possibly the worst legislation in American history (with honorable mention towards laws which failed to stop the entry of slave blacks into America or failed to send them back to Africa). At least towards anyone who believes that America ought to be a country of people who honor and advance Western civilization.<br /><br />From Wikipedia:<br /><br />"He was a leader in pushing through the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ended a quota system based upon national origin."<br /><br />"despite Kennedy's predictions, would have a profound effect on the demographic makeup of the United States.["<br /><br />Silent and Boomer morons like Kennedy did more to change America (usually for the worse) in early adulthood than Gen X-ers have done into middle age.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-14126785855425690192015-05-30T21:17:25.572-04:002015-05-30T21:17:25.572-04:00The good news is that the Homeland gen that began ...The good news is that the Homeland gen that began at some point in the 2000's and is being born right now won't take the same kind of shit that X-ers and Millennials have heroically endured for decades. They won't just say bye bye to the Me Gen, but they will actively instigate a changing of the guard.<br /><br />The bad news is that the Homeland Gen. will suffer from the same kinds of neuroses as the Silents. What can you say?Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-54825913994285235142015-05-30T21:10:23.254-04:002015-05-30T21:10:23.254-04:00"The hippies were childlike also, but more li..."The hippies were childlike also, but more like healthy, active children."<br /><br />That is quite debatable. Quite a few of them got really hurt by being young and naive in the anything goes climate that was "in" from about 1965-1979. The only real reason some of them cleaned up their act in the 80's was because they got older and slightly wiser. How do you suppose the Boomers got such a bad rap, anyway? Aloof Silents were for the most part too old and too mistrustful to be as reckless as the Boomers were in the 60's/70's. So Silents dodged a lot of the blame for the churning of society in the 60's. Be that as it may, the Silents were actually laying the groundwork for the cronyism, opportunism, and basic self absorption that have increasingly dominated the West since the mid 70's.<br /><br />This would not have been possible if the Greatest Gen had both modern medicine and the temperament to hold the fort. But the Greatest gen in the 70's and 80's stepped aside due to often fatal health problems, a desire to gracefully retire with one's dignity intact, and/or belief that the next gen ought to have the torch passed to them.<br /><br />Alas, this was to have horrific consequences as decades of uninterrupted rule by choleric type A generations means a constant survival of the most ruthless climate that grinds people of all kinds up.<br /><br />I'm not being hard on X-ers. Small numbers and the omnipotence of Silents/early Boomers equals being left in the cold, powerless to effect a shift in the cycle that would've occured years ago had modern medicine not extended longevity. The lax temperament of Gen X-ers of course doesn't help. Late Silents and Boomers were wishing their elders dead as they defiantly made it known that they knew better and deserved more. X-ers on the other hand, insist on being patient and giving a fair shake to everyone.<br /><br />It's like people born since the mid 60's have developed a taboo on being derisive towards their elders. How often do you hear the "respect your elders" nonsense from everybody? Respect for what, exactly? Breathing? Running up the debt to historic levels? Disdaining manual (i.e. honest) labor? Cowardly avoiding military service than starting shit with dozens of countries and ethnic groups? Flooding America with aliens? You've got 2 very prideful generations who refuse self-sacrifice being enabled by X-ers and Millennials who bend over backwards not to offend anyone.<br /><br />My Mom's oldest sister (born around '55) still reminisces about all the great stuff that happened in the 60's. There's virtually no respect accorded to the values and accomplishments of anyone born before 1930.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-43044864279209793662015-05-30T18:31:55.570-04:002015-05-30T18:31:55.570-04:00There are other factors too, like what level of ps...There are other factors too, like what level of psychological maturity. So, as "Face to Face" explains, you can say that people are being childlike, adolescent, young adult, or mature.<br /><br />Yet, once again, you can't explain cocooning by saying that people are childlike. The hippies were childlike also, but more like healthy, active children. The problem with cocooning generations is not that they are children but are dysfunctional children.<br /><br />i don't believe that the more phlegmatic or sanguine, go-along nature of Gen Xers is a bad thing if they are more healthy.Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-50446191722904410962015-05-30T13:14:11.940-04:002015-05-30T13:14:11.940-04:00I've been listening to a lot of podcasts latel...I've been listening to a lot of podcasts lately. Typically the speakers are born somewhere between 1965-1985. The ones born around 1983 seem to be noticeably more excitable and upbeat. I'm beginning to think that Strauss and Howe were right about when Millennials started ('82 by their account). Though I'd still question '61-'64 people being called X-ers. Early 60's people strike as being too upbeat, too naive, and too self-centered, not at all like the voices of the modest and cautious '65-'81 people I hear on podcasts.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-35365325569627174382015-05-30T12:55:04.640-04:002015-05-30T12:55:04.640-04:00I'd never really thought about classifying gen...I'd never really thought about classifying generations by the humors but I think it's a good idea. <br /><br />Greatest Gen: phlegmatic and sanguine (The best combo? Brave, selfless, unpretentious, and very likeable)<br /><br />Silent Gen: choleric and melancholy (possibly the worst combo, selfish/mean as well aloof and dour. This sort of gen. arguably produces a lot of tough guys, too bad that a lot of them become thugs. Read any sort of crime history of the 50's-70's. There's tons of Silent sociopaths.)<br /><br />Boomers: choleric and sanguine (Terrific performers and artists. Fun to be around when things are going well but miserable when things take a turn for the worse. Unpredictable and adventurous for good or for ill, note how frequently Boomers change their religion, occupation, and political affilation, always hoping to find utopia. They sure like to create and experiment but they don't like cleaning up messes, even their own.)<br /><br />Gen X: phlegmatic and melancholy (Not much to say, caring but cynical, reasonable, cautious. Easy to trust and respect, but can be hard to read and a bit standoffish).<br /><br />Millennials: phlegmatic and sanguine. Yes, I know, some will quibble about giving them the same traits as the Greatest Gen. Keep in mind that the Greatest Gen was much whiter and had the good fortune to reach adolescence or young adulthood during a time of increasing fairness and civic mindedness (the 1920's and 1930's). So they get a lot of credit for the good faith and equity of the 20's-50's. <br /><br />On the other hand, Millennials have spent their whole lives in a highly corrupt period (the 80's - 2010's). Idealistic sanguine gens seem to get (unfairly at times) blamed for the nasty stuff of the era they live in, like how brash Boomers have been raked over the coals while Silents prowl around like the cat burglars they are. The Greatest gen had the good fortune to be teens and adults when equality rose from 1920-1970 and crime fell from 1935-1955. So they often are regarded as a peerless group whose beautiful world was tarnished by idiots born in the 40's and 50's. The Greatest Gen gets too much credit while Silents don't get enough blame.<br /><br />Homeland Gen.?: On track to be choleric and melancholy. We'll get a better idea of the traits of 2000's births in the years ahead. If the ones born around say, 2005 are noticeably more cynical and callous, then we can agree that the last Millennials were born in the early 2000's. Who knows? When things shake up in the 2020's, perhaps a lot the worst psychos will be in their very late teens and early 20s. If so, then we can safely say that Millennials were born from about 1982-2000. Millennials have too much of a conscience to be good criminals, choleric gens. make much better thugs.<br /><br />It seems that two consecutive generations are choleric or phlegmatic before the next two switches, while there is consistent alternating between being either melancholy or sanguine.<br /><br />It stands to reason that two consecutive choleric gens will exploit the next two phlegmatic gens. Unfortunately, the level of exploitation is reaching historically bad levels because modern tech and medicine is enabling 30's and 40's births to live absurdly long lives. In previous eras, such reckless cohorts would've died much faster.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-43220762174550043562015-05-30T12:52:38.056-04:002015-05-30T12:52:38.056-04:00". Is it really bad for the GenXers to be som...". Is it really bad for the GenXers to be somewhat less assertive? The Boomers are a generation of cholerics, and the result was decades of status-striving and exploitation of the younger generation."<br /><br />Let's not forget that equally choleric (but melancholy) Silents are nearly as responsible as Boomers for the mess we're in. Maybe it's the small number of Silents, maybe it's being relatively low key, maybe it's how annoying Boomer are. For whatever the reason, people born from about 1926-1940 are just not held to account for their misdeeds. <br /><br />There was a huge spike in serial killer births around 1930, which finally began to level off around 1960. Late 20's and early 60's births are somewhat better adjusted but not as empathetic as those born before 1925 and after 1965.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-38165646993801306082015-05-26T21:34:56.061-04:002015-05-26T21:34:56.061-04:00"Is it your personal experience that "ki..."Is it your personal experience that "kids don't go trick-or-treating anymore"? Have you actually manned the front door during a recent Halloween and no kids rang the doorbell?"<br /><br />Yes, and it's been in several different places (East Coast, Mountain states), as well as asking my friends and family if I was the only one -- I wasn't (they included even more regions). I usually comment on the trend on Halloween, with the usual "update" that hardly anyone showed, followed by more or less the same story from readers.<br /><br />I noticed it already in the mid-to-late '90s, when I was too old to go myself and figured I'd man the door instead. Hardly any kids went out compared to the '80s, and those who did go out were always accompanied by parents.<br /><br />By now you're lucky if there are a handful of teenagers who show up -- way too old to count as trick-or-treaters in any case.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-10166536392068661192015-05-26T12:24:58.586-04:002015-05-26T12:24:58.586-04:00"The disconnect between parents and neighborh...<i>"The disconnect between parents and neighborhood children is easily and unambiguously seen on Halloween, where kids don't go trick-or-treating anymore, and where the adults buy candy for themselves, figuring no one will show up (they're right)."</i><br /><br />I've been a parent in various neighborhoods (working and middle class) in commie pinko Bay Area and the Sacramento area, and in 22 years, we've never had a non-busy Halloween, even in the apartment complex we lived at in 1997-98. In our current town, we lived in the older downtown neighborhood at first, lots of Hispanic and working class families. TONS of kids out on Halloween. We now live in a fairly affluent neighborhood, with probably even more kids out in costume. Where do you live that you don't see kids in costume out on Halloween night? An urban area maybe? I have to say I haven't lived in a city as a parent, so I can't speak to that. But in all the suburbs and exburbs I've been a parent in, with all types of demographics, I've yet to see empty streets.<br /><br />I know that malls and merchants in downtown areas, including ours, sponsor "safe" Halloween nights. I've always found those offensive, but they are well attended, which is fine. But I haven't seen those impact neighborhood trick or treating. There are probably more parents walking with their kids then in the 70s and 80s, but that peters off when kids reach middle school. We've let our kids head out with friend unattended when they reach 6th grade. <br /><br />Again, this is my personal experience, but I don't live in a bubble, I'm not rich and have been a parent in many types of neighborhoods. Is it your personal experience that "kids don't go trick-or-treating anymore"? Have you actually manned the front door during a recent Halloween and no kids rang the doorbell?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-60097041727720133102015-05-25T12:40:22.444-04:002015-05-25T12:40:22.444-04:00I dunno. Is it really bad for the GenXers to be s...I dunno. Is it really bad for the GenXers to be somewhat less assertive? The Boomers are a generation of cholerics, and the result was decades of status-striving and exploitation of the younger generation. Rather than being stunted, Gen X just represented a different way to approach life.curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-86336092013269648632015-05-24T17:39:27.194-04:002015-05-24T17:39:27.194-04:00On the topic of generational differences in temper...On the topic of generational differences in temperament, you would not be able to see this sort of behavior in a modern convenience store: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYbe-35_BaADerrick Bonsellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624976943924251694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-4554047964903602642015-05-24T10:24:56.256-04:002015-05-24T10:24:56.256-04:00"I see this bad behavior on blogs everywhere ..."I see this bad behavior on blogs everywhere - where some commenter comes in and gets offended that somebody is generalizing at all about any group.<br /><br />Who goes to the trouble of writing these stupid comments? Is this a Jew thing?"<br /><br />It's autistics and hardcore liberals (but I repeat myself) who get uppity about labeling groups of people, since, after all, if enough white gentiles believe that a group of people is innately different we're gonna have the (pick one) the 50's, the Jim Crow South, or even the holocaust all over again.<br /><br />We're supposed to accept that since the possiblility exists that a Jew, an Asian, A Mexican, etc. does not fit the "stereotype" then we should refuse to assign a set of characteristics (and judgements of those characteristics) to a given ethnic group.<br /><br />It doesn't matter that 999/1000 Asians are taciturn; we mustn't consider them taciturn.<br /><br />It doesn't matter that 99/100 Jews are fanatical leftists consistently hostile towards traditional gentile culture; we can't hold them to account for this and we can't suggest that gentiles are stronger without them.<br /><br />It doesn't matter that 99/100 Mexicans have no civic values; we can't point out that areas overrun by Mexicans become culturally/socially/physically desolate.<br /><br />There's also the tendency of swpl/striver/young & stupid S.J. Warriors to go on anti-stereotype crusades so as to gain status points. Some of the most outlandish claims (blacks are not more violent, trannys aren't crazy) aren't really sincerely believed by a lot of these people.Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-70718838478453046392015-05-23T23:21:23.330-04:002015-05-23T23:21:23.330-04:00"OK, then going by our apparently different e..."OK, then going by our apparently different experiences with Gen X parents, it's pretty obvious that blanket statements don't carry much water."<br /><br />I see this bad behavior on blogs everywhere - where some commenter comes in and gets offended that somebody is generalizing at all about any group.<br /><br />Who goes to the trouble of writing these stupid comments? Is this a Jew thing?Sublatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-65120071193918735432015-05-23T02:21:08.121-04:002015-05-23T02:21:08.121-04:00Perhaps a clearer term is "latent extravert&q...Perhaps a clearer term is "latent extravert" or "dormant extravert" to describe what I've been calling passive or reactive people like typical Gen X-ers.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-47387567779168826062015-05-23T02:15:39.677-04:002015-05-23T02:15:39.677-04:00"Are 70's births really so withdrawn that..."Are 70's births really so withdrawn that they just don't have much of a connection with other people? Particulary in things that demand an intimate connection with the audience (like being a rock front man or a comedian)."<br /><br />Passive / reactive isn't withdrawn -- that's the awkward Millennials. It just means not inclined to get the ball rolling first, but waiting for someone else to start it and then pile on.<br /><br />Performing before an audience is not intimate. You said "charismatic" later, which is closer to what's going on. Look at how Obama could work a crowd -- but he's painfully awkward in a one-to-one setting.<br /><br />Lots of performers are like that -- shy models, seemingly tongue-tied comics like real-life Seinfeld. Michael Hutchence from INXS was incredibly charismatic, but almost shy in the interviews / behind the scenes that I've seen.<br /><br />There are plenty of instigator / performers born in the '70s, they just don't pursue the ego-driven paths of lead singer, stand-up comic, etc. They're the trolls on Twitter mocking the SJWs, or Ken M pushing the buttons of high-strung and thin-skinned internet people.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-12892309579114709282015-05-22T22:31:07.880-04:002015-05-22T22:31:07.880-04:00"OK, then going by our apparently different e..."OK, then going by our apparently different experiences with Gen X parents, it's pretty obvious that blanket statements don't carry much water."<br /><br />It means you live in an unusual environment (upper middle class, Midwestern, or something like that).<br /><br />The disconnect between parents and neighborhood children is easily and unambiguously seen on Halloween, where kids don't go trick-or-treating anymore, and where the adults buy candy for themselves, figuring no one will show up (they're right).agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-19945380629798449232015-05-22T20:08:53.760-04:002015-05-22T20:08:53.760-04:00"George Carlin wasn't trying to work up a..."George Carlin wasn't trying to work up a mob, or say out loud that the emperor is wearing no clothes. His act was more ego-driven."<br /><br />I've been thinking the last few days about how virtually all prominent/talented Gen X people were born in the mid-late 60's with a few early 70's stragglers. I wiki'd all the Gen X comedians I could think of and none were born in the 70's. <br /><br />Are 70's births really so withdrawn that they just don't have much of a connection with other people? Particulary in things that demand an intimate connection with the audience (like being a rock front man or a comedian). Maybe the last great rock front man to be born was Pantera's Phil Anselmo (in '68).<br /><br />Others: Layne Staley ('67)<br />Gwen Stefani ('69)<br />I seem to remember you bring up Lisa Loeb in terms of sincere artists. She's from '68.<br /><br />Maybe 70's/early 80's Gen X-ers had their opportunities to learn how to develop charisma cut short by the 90's.<br /><br />And yeah, I know that there are some later X-er celebs. But how many of them can resonate as well as Boomers or early X-ers? Maybe we also could blame declining testosterone levels, given how a lack of male hormones makes you a kill joy. Who wants to spend time with soft man children and petulant chicks?Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-30048233109473758632015-05-22T19:32:07.415-04:002015-05-22T19:32:07.415-04:00OK, then going by our apparently different experie...OK, then going by our apparently different experiences with Gen X parents, it's pretty obvious that blanket statements don't carry much water. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com