tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post8473691548214961555..comments2024-03-28T18:59:21.172-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Trump for single-payer healthcare, by letting both parties prove their plans are catastrophes?agnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-25479585898501718282017-03-23T11:25:09.399-04:002017-03-23T11:25:09.399-04:00"I see white Hispanics becoming the new Itali...<b>"I see white Hispanics becoming the new Italians..."</b><br /><br />If deportations of invaders happen, yes. If not, they will split up, I think, into 2 factions, one aligned with Caucasians, the other with Amerindians. This would be bad for everyone.DBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-15717091512887413422017-03-22T18:25:37.881-04:002017-03-22T18:25:37.881-04:00"Hispanics" includes whites who are reli..."Hispanics" includes whites who are reliable voters, and masses of Amerindians who could not be more apathetic (just like they are back home in elections).<br /><br />I see white Hispanics becoming the new Italians -- assimilating into American norms, identifying as Americans first, ethnics second, and being swing voters or bellwether voters rather than staunchly loyal to one party or the other.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-11730565102941677422017-03-22T18:09:42.516-04:002017-03-22T18:09:42.516-04:00and nothing says hispanics are always going to vot...and nothing says hispanics are always going to vote the same way as they do in the 2010s. or identify exactly the same way ethnically/racially for that matter. Intermarriage between mestizos and white people is up. and a lot of us ID as "white hispanic." or castizo. or something else. hispanics are complicated.lexie88https://www.blogger.com/profile/02193817657084020002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-68051590647779518252017-03-21T21:35:29.632-04:002017-03-21T21:35:29.632-04:00RJ is a classic depressive faggot, no amount of fa...RJ is a classic depressive faggot, no amount of facts will change his mind. Go drink yourself to death, and don't comment here anymore.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-55318921150126611662017-03-21T18:29:07.691-04:002017-03-21T18:29:07.691-04:00@Robert Jones
Your complaining is rather apocalyp...@Robert Jones<br /><br />Your complaining is rather apocalyptic. That seems ignorant, given that civilization has always been improbable, and every country has enemies. Life goes on- there was a so-called healthcare crisis in the early 80's, when costs were only half of what they are today. People were freaked out, and thought the system would collapse or something. Did it?<br /><br />Or did we just medicalize our society, which means hypochondria became normal, and now people don't even admit humanity is frail and mortal in this life? I think the big-picture issues are corporatization and .forced charity, which go hand in hand, not racial conflicts or fertility rates. Japan was supposed to crash by now- they're "too old." It's like people worship youth, and think children power society;s present, not just the future. But the Japanese are doing better in many valuable ways than youthful Pakistan or Nigeria. And obviously, big political changes take time. Self-deportation has already begun.DBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-1405372089053137992017-03-21T17:41:15.908-04:002017-03-21T17:41:15.908-04:00Look at the stats on Texas children, just as one e...Look at the stats on Texas children, just as one example. They've already been replaced. And the guy who won't simply tell some faggot judge in Hawaii that his ruling is blatantly illegal and the travel ban will still be enforced is going to deport the majority of America's children? Pull the other one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17703047782761523175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-56069817106870335752017-03-21T12:27:18.169-04:002017-03-21T12:27:18.169-04:00We'll be sending them back, too, so they won&#...We'll be sending them back, too, so they won't be here to vote.<br /><br />Even if they were to stay, they're concentrated in a handful of states that are safe blue.<br /><br />Texans would wage another revolution before they allowed themselves to succumb to demographic replacement -- not the flabby rich suburbanites, obviously, but the real people who would be affected.<br /><br />Only blacks are spread out enough to affect the Presidential race, and they have not been growing for decades.<br /><br />Quit posting race-cuck-masochism porn in the comments.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-78202741751120299722017-03-21T06:27:44.726-04:002017-03-21T06:27:44.726-04:00Majority minority status (already achieved in unde...Majority minority status (already achieved in under 5s) is all that is needed. Immigration can go to zero tomorrow and minority births be cut in half, and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. They need only wait for those little kids to reach voting age.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17703047782761523175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-18509166777810853812017-03-21T04:50:15.992-04:002017-03-21T04:50:15.992-04:00Luckily for us, but unfortunately for your masochi...Luckily for us, but unfortunately for your masochist porn, demographic trends do not mindlessly continue in the same direction.<br /><br />High birth rates continue until carrying capacity is reached.<br /><br />Immigration rates continue until the hosts have had enough and slam the gates, and/or kick out the invaders.<br /><br />Sounding familiar?agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-44643590095171442932017-03-21T03:27:19.680-04:002017-03-21T03:27:19.680-04:00Why would they? It's like the GOPe and Evangel...Why would they? It's like the GOPe and Evangelicals - they'll vote for you overwhelmingly no matter what you do, so why do more than mouth some platitudes? <br /><br />Demographics are what point to a permanent Dem majority. Turn Texas blue, keep New York (California is impossible to lose at this point) and you have a virtual lock a presidency, for instance.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17703047782761523175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-44627694604504107012017-03-21T03:00:44.268-04:002017-03-21T03:00:44.268-04:00And you're ignoring the obvious -- that politi...And you're ignoring the obvious -- that politicians from safe non-white districts don't get good healthcare, etc. for their constituents. The non-white politicians are more corrupt, greedy, and therefore easily bought-off by corporate lobbyists.<br /><br />The Obamacare people had the White House plus a supermajority in the Senate -- and where was single-payer? Even a public option? Corporate lobbyists bought off Jew Lieberman who threatened to filibuster the public option.<br /><br />They had a unique alignment of the stars, and all they wound up doing was expanding Medicaid a little bit.<br /><br />Non-whites only provide the votes -- corporate lobbyists provide the policies.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-67744847440037259062017-03-21T02:50:48.289-04:002017-03-21T02:50:48.289-04:00"They know better than anyone that all they h..."They know better than anyone that all they have to do to get a permanent majority (until things just deteriorate to the point society stops working) is wait and pander."<br /><br />Looks like they'll be waiting for Hell to freeze over, then -- they've lost an insane number of seats in the House, Senate, Governorships, state legislatures, and finally now the White House.<br /><br />Once Trump secures something like single-payer healthcare with no allowances for illegals, the Dems will have absolutely nothing left in their arsenal.<br /><br />I have no patience for people who look at the most historic domination of the GOP since the Progressive Era and complain about how the Dems are still on their way to a permanent majority.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-71289768623340360832017-03-21T02:21:51.690-04:002017-03-21T02:21:51.690-04:00"We will never get discrimination by race in ..."We will never get discrimination by race in the insurance sector, no matter what."<br /><br />Strange, that didn't seem to be the case at all until ~50 years ago. It certainly isn't the case with insurance in any nonwhite country civilized enough to possess it. It's only a rather small portion of the world that pretends race is irrelevant.<br /><br />And why would politicians do that? Basically all the Dems in leadership roles now are from safe majority mud or uber-cuck SWPL districts. They know better than anyone that all they have to do to get a permanent majority (until things just deteriorate to the point society stops working) is wait and pander. Every kind of nonwhite votes Dem by huge margins, and will forever unless some even more lefty party comes along.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17703047782761523175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-26957290386001805902017-03-20T21:34:44.028-04:002017-03-20T21:34:44.028-04:00"We will never get discrimination by race in ...<b> "We will never get discrimination by race in the insurance sector, no matter what." </b><br /><br />Medicines for specific races, and personal genomics, if it ever happens, will change that. We could already have race-specific medicine, more than the few which have been approved, if it weren't a taboo. So the supply could create demand for itself, the way everyone wants a smartphone before even knowing how they work. I wonder how actuaries see the future healthcare funding and providing.<br /><br /><b> "It will never be the private sector that pioneers the way in nationalism, only a hostile takeover of the government by citizens can do that." </b><br /><br />Private charities and militias traditionally are nationalist, but their constitutionality is denied by globalists, and globalists have mostly won that contest of wills and philosophies. It's strange that most nationalists can't imagine a libertarian/ non-centralized nationalism, only the kind of system that globalists like, statism. <br />I guess the idea is that statism is inevitable in modernity, and the best system, because it's the easiest to do and most vulnerable to take-over, which nationalists like because they want to take power from the globalists, not realizing this means it could be taken back right away. An earnest Western nationalist tends to expatriate these days, or at least dream of doing so.DBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-51074215348897168222017-03-20T21:29:47.147-04:002017-03-20T21:29:47.147-04:00There are in fact Amish-style mutual aid societies...There are in fact Amish-style mutual aid societies where people have no corporate insurance, but share medical costs within the group, sometimes over the internet. These people are saving money now, even if their catastrophic risks are higher.<br /><br /><b> "Wealth and power corrupt, so the elites will never be conservative on social and cultural issues." </b><br /><br />This is why so many people are becoming monarchists. Why give the unaccountable elites vast power, when a king could lead everyone? <br /><br />Conserving existing values and conventions is not something which the lower classes can force upwards. The elites do have out-sized influence, and this is mostly because they network more and work harder than others do to accomplish their goals. <br />Most people in my church, unpleasantly many of whom are elite, even meeting with Trump as candidates to join his cabinet, don't know their congressional representatives or attend city council meetings, because they're lazy, globalist elites, and happy with the status quo. As transplants, they don't care about local politics, which makes me think transplants have no right to local suffrage, for 5 years or even longer in their new place of residence. Don't forget how many people don't want anything to change, and obstruct true progress, but would have already done the right thing if they really wanted to. DBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-49970332614879286652017-03-20T21:26:44.611-04:002017-03-20T21:26:44.611-04:00"...but zero conservative representation in t..."...but zero conservative representation in the Fortune 500, on social-cultural issues"<br /><br />I think they're all pseudo-libertarian, while local, small-business owners are conservative. There are some conservatives in the F. 500, but they're very quiet and cucked. They like having their own institutions: http://winst.org/about/trustees/<br />Maybe they realize most of their friends and peers became neoliberals in college, and so give up on mainstream organized society. I had never heard of the Witherspoon Institute, or Witherspoon himself, until encountering their website recently. Their prominence is nill- I want to read their books, but it took years to find them. Meanwhile, they work really hard to write those books barely anyone reads.<br /><br />I think their desire to "exit" the prog. system, while still interfacing with it for status, money, and everything else, is a big part of cuckservativism. <br /><br />The main part, though, is playing by inconsistent, unfair rules set by opponents, and scoring own-goals. I also think all cucks are easily cowed and tricked.DBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-38401380380120111382017-03-20T12:27:52.726-04:002017-03-20T12:27:52.726-04:00Let's do a simple thought experiment. We will ...Let's do a simple thought experiment. We will never get discrimination by race in the insurance sector, no matter what. But national origin is very possible, especially in the Trump era.<br /><br />Which model is more likely to exclude all non-citizens from its services? -- a national single-payer system, or private firms?<br /><br />The national system would be accountable to citizens, pressured by them through politicians, and in all likelihood brought into being by a nationalist fervor. "We want great things, but not if outsiders would parasitize us."<br /><br />The private system only sees green. They don't care where you come from, if they themselves or someone else can funnel money into your coffers via a customer.<br /><br />They actively cheer along globalist colonization of the first world because it increases the demand for their goods and services, raising consumer prices and corporate profits.<br /><br />It will never be the private sector that pioneers the way in nationalism, only a hostile takeover of the government by citizens can do that.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-44846642863013075642017-03-20T12:20:07.275-04:002017-03-20T12:20:07.275-04:00Another clueless libertarian who thinks the mega-c...Another clueless libertarian who thinks the mega-corps would allow you to open a competitor business of any kind -- they want to swallow up all businesses for themselves.<br /><br />Just look at Aetna trying to buy up Humana recently, which thankfully got blocked.<br /><br />You are hopelessly deluded if you think that Aetna, Humana, et al. would allow you to open that business without running wall-to-wall ads about what a horrible racist competitor you are, and why individuals, employers, corporate boards, and governments ought to boycott you and drive you into bankruptcy.<br /><br />And those ads would be far more effective than the ham-fisted political ads -- they would be funded by immense corporate coffers hiring the most sophisticated Madison Ave firms.<br /><br />Wake up: the people who control mega-corporations are more uber-liberal than the average national politician, and have no democratic check from conservative citizens below.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-35077132170138788682017-03-20T11:55:11.480-04:002017-03-20T11:55:11.480-04:00I don't claim, and never will, that our presen...I don't claim, and never will, that our present corporate overlords are anything resembling good or benevolent. But it isn't their doing that you can't open a "no darkies, no fags" insurance agency, which would save enormous sums of money. That's the government's doing. I don't want to subsidize degenerative leftists and their mud-colored pets any further than I already am forced to.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17703047782761523175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-26628617805605585792017-03-20T04:24:25.392-04:002017-03-20T04:24:25.392-04:00Getting back to Trump's own views and plans, w...Getting back to Trump's own views and plans, what other major issue has he spoken on behalf of for decades, often against the received wisdom, only to drop suddenly like a hot potato?<br /><br />Nothing, really.<br /><br />De-industrialization -- since the 1980s, still the same position.<br /><br />Middle Eastern wars -- since Iraq War.<br /><br />And on and on.<br /><br />The only thing he's changed on is abortion, a social-cultural issue rather than a political-economic one. And as Roger Stone suggested, one where he had a life-altering experience -- Melania getting pregnant when Trump was around 60 years old, both of them deciding to go with it, and Baron becoming the apple of his father's eye. (Trump says this is the reason, but says it happened to "a friend," who Stone surmises is Trump himself.)<br /><br />As far as we know, there's been no life-altering experience about healthcare that would make him look down on single-payer. As recently as early 2015, he was offering real-life anecdotes *in favor* of it (Scotland).<br /><br />When asked to defend his views at the first Fox primary debate, he just brushed it off, rather than give a long sincere story about what changed his mind, let alone speak out against single-payer like he did against abortion on demand throughout the campaign (from the "woman must be punished" thing before Wisconsin primary, to graphic description of baby being ripped out of womb during first debate against Clinton).<br /><br />Conclusion: it's still his preferred goal, and the only things left to figure out are whether single-payer accounts for 70-80-90%, what the nature of the remainder is, who does he have to woo on the Dems' side, how to calm down Republican voters / politicians who have equated single-payer with Satanism, and other details of execution.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-13057138133884236002017-03-20T00:23:47.974-04:002017-03-20T00:23:47.974-04:00Corporate propagandists have so thoroughly brainwa...Corporate propagandists have so thoroughly brainwashed conservatives that they believe corporate board members, CEOs, and the like are a bunch of stodgy starched-collar Monopoly-monocled old white guys, who would never support tranny surgeries, elective late-term abortions, insulin pumps to people who drink sugar at every meal (and in between), and on and on down the liberal line.<br /><br />Wealth and power corrupt, so the elites will never be conservative on social and cultural issues.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-68654557885732266952017-03-20T00:19:41.832-04:002017-03-20T00:19:41.832-04:00"Then you get into funding abortions and &quo..."Then you get into funding abortions and "sex reassignment surgeries," shelling out for the morbidly obese, and facing an aging population, and it loses some luster."<br /><br />What is the alternative?<br /><br />HMO mega-corps like Aetna already cover dick-chopping and pseudo-vag surgeries. They also cover elective abortions, so eagerly that they're willing to pay million-dollar fines when they provide them to women who don't qualify (liberalizing policy in conservative states like Missouri):<br /><br />http://www.lifenews.com/2015/05/20/aetna-fined-for-paying-for-abortions-for-women-who-didnt-qualify-for-them/<br /><br />Aetna also covers metabolic syndrome diseases like diabetes, insulin resistance, etc.<br /><br />Aetna covers old age diseases.<br /><br />All of these get worse for Aetna as the population gets fatter and older. They will pass those costs onto their healthier customers in higher premiums.<br /><br />The health of the population is entirely separate from how we ought to cover healthcare.<br /><br />Healthier people will always be subsidizing the unhealthy -- the question is do you pay $500 more in taxes for single-payer or $5000 more in premiums to corporate tyrannies?agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-1109290207072422522017-03-19T22:38:51.415-04:002017-03-19T22:38:51.415-04:00Trump's attitude is what you get when you pair...Trump's attitude is what you get when you pair Scottish thriftiness with German systemizing.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-56933806069342651342017-03-19T22:32:42.398-04:002017-03-19T22:32:42.398-04:00Likewise no one any longer believes that Republica...Likewise no one any longer believes that Republicans are budget hawks -- only when it comes to lobbying groups who don't vote for them, like education, entertainment, etc. Otherwise, here's some free money for Lockheed Martin.<br /><br />Democrats are budget hawks only when it comes to lobbying groups who don't vote for them -- military contractors, energy companies, etc. Otherwise here's some free money for the media.<br /><br />Trump has been across-the-board in his budget hawkishness, putting both Democrat and Republican lobbying bigwigs on the chopping block.<br /><br />He is the only one who anyone will believe is "looking into" single-payer in order to get more bang for our buck.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-12849013988581257422017-03-19T22:05:43.613-04:002017-03-19T22:05:43.613-04:00We can also expect to see Trump de-moralizing the ...We can also expect to see Trump de-moralizing the topic of healthcare, as he has so many other issues.<br /><br />It's all about achieving the best results at the lowest costs, pragmatic and utilitarian, not laden with values and ideologies (unlike "the soul of America").<br /><br />The progs have tried to do this on the healthcare issue, arguing for the greater efficiency of single-payer over the current mess, far lower overhead costs in Medicare vs. private schemes, using collective bargaining to get wholesale prices, and so on and so forth.<br /><br />Those are the Bernie-supporting progs who don't care that much about signaling values and the culture war.<br /><br />But getting the best bang for the buck is not part of their overall brand -- only in this case or another. It comes off more as a rationalization, or pandering to conservatives / Republicans to get them on board with single-payer, as though their true motivation were to make us into a Scandi-socialist utopia.<br /><br />They don't care, for instance, how much money is wasted on education -- more dollars per student doesn't make them smarter, earn more, etc. At best keeps them better fed with free lunches.<br /><br />Or spending $100K for a BS degree from a BS college -- they just complain that someone else ought to be covering those costs. Spending shitloads of money in higher ed is a good thing for progs.<br /><br />So along comes Mr. Cost Efficiency who wants to drive down how much taxpayers are forking over to Boeing and other defense contractors, as well as drug companies, NPR, German defense, etc.<br /><br />If a single-payer-ish plan comes from Trump, it'll be seen within the broader context and backdrop of negotiating killer deals to give us a better bang for the buck, which requires flexing our muscle at the national level.<br /><br />A governor can't take on a company that wants to move out of the country, but a president could.<br /><br />States cannot stand up to the insurance, drug, HMO companies, but a national single-payer group could.<br /><br />Then it won't sound phony like it does coming from spendthrifts like Bernie & co. People will pay attention, treat it as sincere, and be on board with it.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.com