tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post7808229439469720394..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: News for Cruz: Culture war doesn't play back East, even with evangelicalsagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-40319753216030905272016-02-23T14:32:13.571-05:002016-02-23T14:32:13.571-05:00Right, but east Texas was very "Southernized,...Right, but east Texas was very "Southernized," and was viewed as integral to the South (plantation economy, etc.), whereas other parts of Texas had many FOB Europeans. As on this map, where the "American" or African-American regions end and German or w/e begins is traditionally the border between E Texas/the South and the West. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpgMarcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-32460343090087101832016-02-23T13:58:23.506-05:002016-02-23T13:58:23.506-05:00Having Southern settlers does not make a place Sou...Having Southern settlers does not make a place Southern, anymore than having Northern settlers makes it Northern. Out West, the settlers either came from the North or South, but that doesn't stop it from being distinctly "out West".agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-40983177023925999142016-02-23T09:24:58.677-05:002016-02-23T09:24:58.677-05:00The Tejanos and especially the pro-Union Germans s...The Tejanos and especially the pro-Union Germans set Texas apart from the rest of the South, but they were mostly in less-populated central Texas. Marcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-21795502156409980912016-02-23T09:21:36.258-05:002016-02-23T09:21:36.258-05:00East Texas, which was the only populous part of th...East Texas, which was the only populous part of the state for a long time, was/is definitely Southern. Texas voted overwhelmingly to secede, no surprise since its settlers were mostly from the South, with many slaveholders.Marcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-10035047240103257982016-02-23T03:26:15.758-05:002016-02-23T03:26:15.758-05:00I don't agree that Texas was ever Southern.I don't agree that Texas was ever Southern.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-81792183103070253372016-02-23T01:50:36.535-05:002016-02-23T01:50:36.535-05:00Look, if you agree that Texas was Southern at some...Look, if you agree that Texas was Southern at some point in it's past, but now isn't, that's good enough for me. One point though, in every accent map of the that is meticulously researched has the Eastern half of Texas as having a Southern accent.Lewishttp://google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-17577016905538581642016-02-23T01:27:20.545-05:002016-02-23T01:27:20.545-05:00I wasn't talking about the NR guy. I'm not...I wasn't talking about the NR guy. I'm not saying all of Texas is part of the South either, but that certainly the parts East of Dallas and arguably including Houston, Dallas, and Austin. If you want to say that Texas isn't part of the South anymore, ok, I guess you can argue that. But using that reasoning Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, and arguably even Tennesee and North Carolina aren't part of the South either, despite historical ties. Do you know how many Yankees and people from all over have flooded into Virginia, not to mention North Carolina and Florida? That doesn't stop the far Northern part of Florida from being part of the South. My High School's mascot is still a Confederate soldier, but I guess you're going to argue that it's just role playing or whatever. If things continue like they're going it looks like even South Carolina, Alabama, and Mississippi will be forced to eliminate what little commemoration of their ancestors they have left.Lewishttp://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-11511867436903941992016-02-23T01:09:37.420-05:002016-02-23T01:09:37.420-05:00"57% of 1,135 Southerners voted that Texas wa..."57% of 1,135 Southerners voted that Texas was part of the South"<br /><br />So it's the cultural version of a pity-fuck. Can you imagine going into a Deep Southern state, surrounded by Deep Southerners who look askance at your "Texas Tough" t-shirt, and then lecturing them about "Actually, I have a Gallup citation showing that 57% of you guys believe I'm a Southerner"?<br /><br />You'd never stop hearing their laughter.<br /><br />Why are Texans so insecure about not being Southerners? Just own the frontier identity, or don't own an identity at all.<br /><br />The NR moron did not mention Texas specifically -- he said the true Bible Belt was the Plains states rather than the Southeast. He's dead wrong. Texas is already at the bottom of that top 10, and the rest of the Plains are even farther down (Kansas, Iowa, Oklahoma, etc.).agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-46417176274181566622016-02-23T01:01:56.340-05:002016-02-23T01:01:56.340-05:00"The snake-oil salesmen, as you know, are alm..."The snake-oil salesmen, as you know, are almost entirely an East Coast phenomenon."<br /><br />Out West. How else are you all popping so many pills, gulping down so many cleansing smoothies, locating your chakras, etc etc etc.? Not to mention all the cults that only flourish out West.<br /><br />"We don't want any more New Englanders and Northeasterners--but oddly, they keep coming here."<br /><br />And even more are leaving the West Coast than are coming in. Your only real population draw is from squat, dark, peasants of the Third World.<br /><br />The new place to be is the Mountain states, not the sinking West Coast.<br /><br />BTW, you said before that you've spent time in both regions -- are you a native West Coaster or Back Easter?agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-6008899480680919582016-02-22T23:59:36.288-05:002016-02-22T23:59:36.288-05:00Besides weirdo Mormons in Utah, all the states wit...Besides weirdo Mormons in Utah, all the states with the highest Church attendance are in the South. Gallup did a poll which showed the Top 10 are:<br /><br />1. Utah 51%<br />2. Mississippi 47%<br />3. Alabama 46%<br />4. Louisiana 46%<br />5. Arkansas 45%<br />6. South Carolina 42%<br />7. Tennesseee 42%<br />8. Kentucky 41%<br />9. North Carolina 40%<br />10. Texas/Georgia/ 39%<br /><br />This survey shows that the religiosity of Texas shows it has a lot of Southern spirit, Dallas and also Albilene are sometimes called the Buckle of the Bible Belt. To add on to Marcus, Texas is at the border of the South and the Southwest, it's true. But it still just as Southern as Kentucky and Florida, and certainly more Southern than Maryland. 57% of 1,135 Southerners voted that Texas was part of the South, while Virginia only got about 50%. Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee praised Texas and Texans multiple times, and Texas was part of the CSA.<br /><br />Texas does have more of a libertarian streak than most Southeastern states. But it is also a lot less libertarian than all of the states West of it. It's in between the South and the Southwest, which is why there's some sort of event named something like that in Austin.Lewishttp://www.google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-34372220359808361532016-02-22T17:29:37.046-05:002016-02-22T17:29:37.046-05:00MN is part northern, part western. The Mississippi...MN is part northern, part western. The Mississippi is a good divider. <br /><br />Saint Paul is a northern city. Feels like Cincinnati or Milwaukee. Minneapolis is western. Very Denver/Portland/Seattle like. The difference as you cross the river is palpable. <br /><br />Duluth and the range are pure rust belt. Southern and western rural MN are indistinguishable from Iowa ortheDakotas. Bhttp://why.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-83428226563713380132016-02-22T17:26:02.636-05:002016-02-22T17:26:02.636-05:00The snake-oil salesmen, as you know, are almost en...The snake-oil salesmen, as you know, are almost entirely an East Coast phenomenon. Yankee psychosis.<br /><br />We don't want any more New Englanders and Northeasterners--but oddly, they keep coming here.<br /><br />Funny how that keeps working out.Laguna Beach Fogeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027025872132699493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-12175965272306187092016-02-22T09:30:36.734-05:002016-02-22T09:30:36.734-05:00Not to nitpick, but East Texas behind the "pi...Not to nitpick, but East Texas behind the "pine curtain" is part of the South, though once you get to Dallas and Houston you are in the epicenters of lifestyle strivingMarcusnoreply@blogger.com