tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post6819294406254470866..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: GOP Establishment pondering an independent run for one of their own, too dumb to see it would guarantee Trump victoryagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-80868980518014853992016-02-29T17:24:17.458-05:002016-02-29T17:24:17.458-05:00If your whole cause is free trade / deregulation u...If your whole cause is free trade / deregulation uber alles, you will 100% back Hillary over Trump. She's totally captured by the economic elites.<br /><br />Trump, unlike Bernie, has already promised 35% tariffs on formerly American-made stuff that's been off-shored.<br /><br />There are already neocons making the case for Hillary being the lesser of the two evils.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-41478764434224400062016-02-29T13:45:24.115-05:002016-02-29T13:45:24.115-05:00"It's not up to the politicians, consulta...<i>"It's not up to the politicians, consultants, etc., themselves -- it's the donors who pull the strings."</i><br /><br />Sure, the donors who ghostwrite Republican establishment policies and fund Republican establishment candidates. Same diff. Those donors don't want Clinton and certainly don't want Bernie in the White House, so they will hold their patrician noses and back Trump. Backing a 3rd party candidate is a guaranteed way to lose the national election.JVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-55261382760691375512016-02-28T14:06:39.581-05:002016-02-28T14:06:39.581-05:00Here's one elite who get it: Joel Kotkin, judg...Here's one elite who get it: Joel Kotkin, judging from http://www.ocregister.com/articles/white-705940-trump-percent.html. It's not letting me cut and paste, but he basically says that to the horror of the libertarians, race hustlers, and cultural strivers, class has dominated this cycle. He cites alarming measures of insecure employment among whites and also accounts for the immigrants against whom said whites compete in order to make the case that class issues will reign from now on. <br /><br />He also says that while Hillary is indeed using race to her advantage, it looks like Millennial blacks might not hold the grievances of their elders while Trump did relatively well with latinos in Nevada. As Kotkin admits, non-elite latinos who've made it to America or grew up in America have no real reason to cheer on their co-ethnics swamping America.<br /><br />I also read a good dissection of Hillary's career which pointed out that Clinton has somehow escaped the black animosity that you would think would've been provoked by presiding over 1990's anti welfare and anti crime bills. Both of which did lots of damage to blacks. I guess being told that Republicans rednecks hate you for 30+ years has really had an effect on blacks, who don't even realize that since 1990 most elite democrats became nearly as hostile towards communal well-being as Republicans. White or black, the elites firmly turned their backs on low/middle class people over the last 30 years. Thus, why America has the highest prison population in the world, in spite of crime declining in the later 90's.Ferylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336057631877941839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-80184594036957448222016-02-28T11:53:38.947-05:002016-02-28T11:53:38.947-05:00George Romney leads the GOPe betrayal of Goldwater...George Romney leads the GOPe betrayal of Goldwater. Mitt Romney leads the GOPe betrayal of Trump almost half a century later.... Maybe I am stretching things a bit, but this is pretty funny to say the least.Angry Midwesternerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284513805871450485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-27961713841116925512016-02-27T23:51:10.566-05:002016-02-27T23:51:10.566-05:00This is supposed to be a threat. I have little do...This is supposed to be a threat. I have little doubt that the donors will actually go through with it, they just want the establishment Republicans to be scared just enough to vote for Rubio or Cruz on Tuesday. Now that Trump is starting to get some endorsements, they know that the floodgates could open on Wednesday where countless Republicans come out to support Donald Trump. With current polls, Marco Rubio is unlikely to win a single state on Tuesday. Ted Cruz will win Texas and Donald Trump will win the rest.<br /><br />No donor is going to risk getting on the ugly side of a guy who will likely spend the next eight years as President. They will fall in line, with gritted teeth, but they will fall in line. I can see some of the old Neocon guard refusing to work with Trump but good, nobody wants them anyway. People like the Bush family, Wolfowitz, Romney, are all part of a bygone era that it seems like the GOP base is ready to move on from. These people are burning a big bridge here but seem too wrapped up in their own BS to realize it.Random Dude on the Internetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-63909381333523897352016-02-27T23:40:05.926-05:002016-02-27T23:40:05.926-05:00You have to wonder how much of Trump's success...You have to wonder how much of Trump's success so far reflects shrewd strategy versus dumb luck. If he managed to get establishment Republican donors to squander $150 million on Jeb the Crypto-Mexican with nothing to show for it except Jeb's defeat and humiliation, that must have eaten up a big percentage of the budget that could have gone towards a third-party challenger to Trump. How much more money can these donors come up with, especially in an economically precarious year? And did Trump plan on hid opponents' miscalculated waste of money as part of his strategy?advancedatheistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-11511407615569774442016-02-27T15:25:52.326-05:002016-02-27T15:25:52.326-05:00A failing ruling class that's insulated and cl...A failing ruling class that's insulated and clueless doesn't even realize that they've lost the mandate of heaven and are destroying before their subjects whatever shreds might remain of their legitimacy.<br />With the advent of internet they can't limit opinion to a few editorial columns and TV shows anymore. Any fool online can compete with "the experts." The Gods are brought down to earth.<br />It's a lot of fun watching them flap about and struggle uselessly after watching them dominate with their idiocy most of my life.Giovanni Dannatohttps://colonyofcommodus.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-40987009677931240392016-02-27T14:30:01.652-05:002016-02-27T14:30:01.652-05:00"I don't think the Republican establishme..."I don't think the Republican establishment is stupid enough to trash their chances in the national election to back a 3rd party candidate"<br /><br />It's the donors who are investigating the third-party thing. If they pull out of funding Rubio, Cruz, Kasich, etc., their campaigns are over immediately. That's the only reason why candidates end their campaign -- running out of funds from donors.<br /><br />If that funding goes toward the third-party candidate, then they're the one campaigning.<br /><br />It's not up to the politicians, consultants, etc., themselves -- it's the donors who pull the strings.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-6940139501691713502016-02-27T14:27:20.563-05:002016-02-27T14:27:20.563-05:00Hysterical comparisons, aside from being lame, don...Hysterical comparisons, aside from being lame, don't convince normal people (only for nuts). Trump is McKinley:<br /><br />http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2016/01/trump-as-re-born-mckinley-with-neo.html<br /><br />From Ancient Rome, he'd be more like Diocletian, the first to start healing the Empire together after the increasing competitiveness, fragmentation, and polarization of the Crisis of the Third Century. That leaves our Constantine still ahead.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-63696566153214157162016-02-27T14:09:49.274-05:002016-02-27T14:09:49.274-05:00I don't think the Republican establishment is ...I don't think the Republican establishment is stupid enough to trash their chances in the national election to back a 3rd party candidate, although I'd love it if they did. <br /><br />As for the Hitler comparison, I agree it's a little off base. Trump is more reminiscent of Mussolini. Stir up our most fearful aspects and codify it into a platform. That's Trump.JVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-7678646687015687972016-02-27T10:28:22.454-05:002016-02-27T10:28:22.454-05:00The Hitler comparisons also sound ridiculous. What...The Hitler comparisons also sound ridiculous. What could a President Donald Trump possibly do so that Jews 50 years from now will try to discredit a politician in that era they oppose by comparing him to Trump?<br /><br />This Hitler nonsense even comes from unlikely sources, like Danielle Allen's piece the other day about the urgent need to stop Trump from becoming our next Hitler, published in the Washington Post. Miss Allen, a black woman with a Ph.D. in classics from Cambridge University(!), apparently didn't absorb a sophisticated understanding of history and politics from her study of Greek and Roman literature. Otherwise she might have chosen a less stereotyped model for understanding Trump by comparing him to a figure from antiquity like Julius Caesar or something. <br /><br />Hitler shows signs of receding in people's awareness as he assumes a more normal role among long-ago historical figures. As late as the 1990s' we still had plenty of people around who remembered Hitler and maintained his bad reputation. Now that this generation has nearly vanished, the emotional baggage they carried about Hitler will vanish with them.advancedatheistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-32047403586810144942016-02-27T10:02:42.149-05:002016-02-27T10:02:42.149-05:00It can be overstated, the Neocohens are the GOP es...It can be overstated, the Neocohens are the GOP establishment and a Trump Presidency could realign the entire conservative movement in the US and this is extremely scary for the Shekelsteins.Thugnacioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01103059222261824689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-61767728428167559672016-02-27T07:03:29.754-05:002016-02-27T07:03:29.754-05:00A bit off topic but did anyone watch the NBC News ...A bit off topic but did anyone watch the NBC News last night? Lester Holt introduced this piece by Cynthia McFadden stating that Trump's company used Polish illegals to help build the Trump Tower or some project. But then after the segment was over McFadden states that one illegal she spoke to who has since become a citizen told her he bears no grudge and may vote for Trump. Bet NBC didn't want that said out loud.Cornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14466368136514010286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-91028244722081534332016-02-27T04:26:47.891-05:002016-02-27T04:26:47.891-05:00They're not the Stupid Party for no reason.They're not the Stupid Party for no reason.Derrick Bonsellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624976943924251694noreply@blogger.com