tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post5266225254574590664..comments2024-03-28T18:59:21.172-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Re-igniting the left-right alliance; and more on regional differences caused by national ethnogenesisagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-14761024196447210502021-11-23T15:03:23.539-05:002021-11-23T15:03:23.539-05:00Red Scare x Alex Jones convo drops right on synchr...Red Scare x Alex Jones convo drops right on synchronicity schedule. Anti-establishment nature is healing. :)<br /><br />Also, I searched the twitter of that horrendous DuPage County Democrat social media manager (Mary Lemanski), who was gloating about the terrorist attack on the Christmas parade in Waukesha, WI, as revenge for the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict.<br /><br />Surprise, surprise -- she's a doggy mommy! No weird hair, on Twitter rather than Tumblr or TikTok, basic-bitch striver, from an affluent suburb of Chicago, etc., just like I said. Caricatures from Rush Limbaugh are not coming for your kids -- it's the AWFLs.<br /><br />I don't mean that in the sense that the AWFLs are hiring and directing a lower army of freakazoids. Even those low-ranking jannies, like the county-level Democrats' social media manager, are mainly AWFLs.<br /><br />BTW, her bitch-ass got FIRED and tossed to the curb. Remember to follow up with news of victory in such cases, social mediaites!agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-58184085401236501642021-11-22T20:42:27.421-05:002021-11-22T20:42:27.421-05:00Correct, i think it could be that people in the So...Correct, i think it could be that people in the South feel less rooted to their town perhaps? though that can't be the whole story, perhaps Saxon descended people are naturally less volatile than northern and western Celts? You do raise some good points and all i can say is that i think it is down to the general mentality, Scots and Northerners are generally more emotional, Southerners are not and so the former will be more riled up over things than Southerners. Oliver Elkingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06021768344856800282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-9891519792569689292021-11-22T17:08:38.799-05:002021-11-22T17:08:38.799-05:00Of course, most hatred from Northerners is directe...Of course, most hatred from Northerners is directed at Southerners, and vice versa, within Britain. It's easier to hate people who are farther away than one's neighbors.<br /><br />But what's happening at the next level down in the nested hierarchy of identities? Northerners will absolutely hate on each other, whereas Southerners generally will not.<br /><br />The origins of the Lancashire vs. Yorkshire rivalry are not what's important, but the fact that they continue to be bitter rivals, whereas regions in the South who may have had similar causes for rivalry have suppressed them and remained unified.<br /><br />Glasgow vs. Edinburgh may be class-based, but why is this rivalry allowed to fester out in the open? In Southern England there are some places that are lower-status than London -- pretty much anywhere is lower than London, a global city. And yet no bitter status-based hatred like you'd find up north.<br /><br />Also, Glaswegians not only hate and look down on posh Edinburgh, they make fun of people from nearby Stirling as well, and there's nothing posh about that city or its accent.<br /><br />There is simply a higher degree of hostility between neighboring places in Scotland, whether there is a class divide between them or not.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-36359227239043243342021-11-22T15:08:14.034-05:002021-11-22T15:08:14.034-05:00Can't forget Canadian ethnogenesis, after ment...Can't forget Canadian ethnogenesis, after mentioning Leila. They never faced a fierce meta-ethnic frontier, so they famously do not have an intense national identity like we Americans do.<br /><br />But to the extent that they do have a mellowed-out identity, it's mainly driven by the West as well, from the Prairie out to Vancouver on the Pacific coast. Similar to the Midwest-to-Pacific basis of American cultural identity.<br /><br />The main rivalry is between Tumblr: The City (Toronto) and Montreal, both back East. That is also where separatism has been greatest, namely in Quebec. Even now, Quebec has halfway seceded from federal politics by only voting for the Bloc Quebecois, which is not a major national party outside of the province, and just represents the province in the post-election negotiations about forming a coalition.<br /><br />Language plays a large role in that rivalry, since Quebec speaks an entirely different language, French, not just a different dialect.<br /><br />My sense is that, like America, the local Ontario dialects back East are less prestigious and normative -- the ones everyone makes fun of. Even more so for the Maritime dialects along the Atlantic coast, similar to East coast American dialects. The desirable, normative ones are out West, in Vancouver, which sound highly similar to Pacific-coast American dialects.<br /><br />However, since ethnogenesis is not very strong in Canada, they do have rivalries out West as well, just not as intense. Namely Edmonton vs. Calgary in the province of Alberta. But Alberta does not have its own provincial party for federal elections, and outright separatism is non-existent out there.<br /><br />North vs. South comparisons, within an interval of the East-West dimension, are not possible in Canada because everyone lives in a one-dimensional line along the American border.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-61647880067862332972021-11-22T14:48:38.515-05:002021-11-22T14:48:38.515-05:00Interesting what you say, i never understood the r...Interesting what you say, i never understood the rivalry between Yorkshire and Lancashire, it could be something that goes back to the times of the Saxons and Celts with Lancashire being more Celtic, less Blonde, more Brunet and in very much so a Northern continuation of Wales. Anyway when up in the North most of the hatred seems to be directed at the Southern elites rather than at Yorkshire or Newcastle etc but there is a very real dislike of Liverpool who they all rightly view as being less British. The Glasgow-Edinburgh rivalry is very much class based with Glasgow being an extremely working class city and Edinburgh being even more middle class than London or most English cities, again it could also be a Celtic vs Germanic thing too, Edinburgh people are very much more Germanic and in a sense British than Glaswegians. I think a lot of the South feels united by it's proximity to London, the large part of southern England is in the London commuter belt and a person from Southampton will not even be aware of the existence of other southern cities like say Norwich or Exeter, i think it is the general ruralness or small townness of the South that makes people from there think more about London than other southern cities that are generally small and dormitories for London. Oliver Elkingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06021768344856800282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-7976291104690052242021-11-22T14:04:10.357-05:002021-11-22T14:04:10.357-05:00Pop density is fairly light in the East Midlands a...Pop density is fairly light in the East Midlands and Northeast as well, whereas most of the population of the North is either NW or right in the center of the North. And yet they're bitter rivals with each other, unlike the same rural vs. urban divide in the South.<br /><br />Ditto for Scotland, even further away from the French frontier. The urbanized South looks down on the rural North / Highlands, to a greater degree than the London area does to Cornwall.<br /><br />And there are also intense rivalries between neighbor cities, like Glasgow and Edinburgh, both of which lie in the urbanized South, but one is western and the other eastern. Similar to Boston vs. New York in America, or Lancashire vs. Yorkshire in England.<br /><br />That's not even mentioning Ireland vs. Northern Ireland!<br /><br />It's understandable why the Leeds-Liverpool region is hostile to the South of England -- but they are also so hostile toward one another up there. That's the strange thing.<br /><br />Actually, it's the cohesion of the South that is unusual and needs explanation. Most places around the world view their close neighbors with suspicion and hostility. Only when they find themselves up against an advancing meta-ethnic frontier do they start putting those minor differences aside and forming super-regional identities.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-88135533482864364362021-11-22T13:47:50.907-05:002021-11-22T13:47:50.907-05:00Yes, I'm talking just about the cultural elite...Yes, I'm talking just about the cultural elites / innovators / vanguard, not for the political or mercantile domains necessarily.<br /><br />In some countries, like Britain, all three are in the same place (Southeast England).<br /><br />But in America the cultural elite, who have driven American ethnogenesis, are out West, while the political and mercantile elites are back East.<br /><br />In Pakistan, the cultural and political elites are in the same place (Lahore and Islamabad, in the north), and the mercantile center is somewhere else (Karachi, in the south). Northern Pakistanis have driven their ethnogenesis, lying on the fierce frontier between the various NW Indian empires to their east (most recently the Mughals), and the Iranian and Afghani empires to their west. Not much invader action in the Sindh or Balochistan, in the south.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-59813920640633446022021-11-21T17:40:18.051-05:002021-11-21T17:40:18.051-05:00As a Brit from the South of England i think it wil...As a Brit from the South of England i think it will be relevant to add my view on this issue: The South of England while having conflict with France since the Norman invasion is also somewhere where a lot of the elites live, i think your comment about the South being like the west of America is correct but also one could say there are similarities with the NE of America especially which is not surprising as a lot of people there originated from SE England, especially the puritans, i remember you wrote a post about Connecticut and the lack of social cohesion there compared to other parts of the States, this made me think about just how similar that state is to typical southern English counties where people are more withdrawn from strangers and less outgoing in public. I am not sure as to why the southern English accent does not have the continental pronunciation but your theory is quite convincing, it makes me think of how the Spanish pronounce some English words in quite a Northern way as well. I think one of the reasons why there is less SE and SW conflict in Britain is because of the low population density of the SW along with the fact that a lot of the population is older and not from there but emigrants from SE England, the North especially with it's Leeds-Liverpool conurbation numbering over 5 million really does see itself as a rival to the South and has never gotten over(and quite rightly too) it's post industrial decline, the region has not thrived like London has in the past 40 years. Oliver Elkingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06021768344856800282noreply@blogger.com