tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post3437401375462853124..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Meme project: Destroying society through immigration to own the hicksagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-62334095563847446882018-02-08T16:29:05.015-05:002018-02-08T16:29:05.015-05:00I just discovered your blog recently and have been...I just discovered your blog recently and have been reading many posts in different years and have been very pleased and interested. I know this isn't quite right but I don't know if you notice comments on old posts so I'm going to go ahead, forgive me.<br /><br />On the difference between the dystopias of the 1960s and 1970s vs the 1980s: There clearly is a difference and you highlighted that very well. However, I think you undersold some aspects of the dystopian view, some of them point out and critique modernity very well. I haven't seen the movie but Anthony Burgess in the Clockwork Orange was pointing out that the master-planned, artificial homogenizing ideology of some of the worst proponents of Modernism was quite untraditional and unhealthy. Note that Anthony Burgess was not some libertarian Barry Goldwater or Ron Paul fan, his ideal was a Catholic Jacobite Imperial Monarch.<br /><br />The Worst of the streamlining modernists can be see in the architecture of and city planning of Le Corbusier or his many disciples and compatriots, or the building of Brasilia or Canberra. They might look good on a clean blueprint from a top-down bureaucrats point of view, but they leave much to be desired from the actual inhabitants. <br /><br />I haven't seen many of these movies but I agree with you that the Narcissism of the Boomers and overinduvidualistic ideologies probably do influence many of them in a stupid way. But it's also worth noting that the top-down city and modern governmental planning that some of these were criticizing were very unnatural, artificial, and bad. These planners were elevating the automobile way above and beyond what it deserved, it destroyed many walkable areas and train and bus transit, transit that emphasized natural communities and seeing people face to face and walking in crowds, to elevate a system in which many people drive alone to and from work and often times other places as well. It's also worth noting that the places that took this to the highest extremes are always in the most rootless libertarian places, Phoenix, Salt Lake City region, Albuquerque, etc. <br /><br />There is a reason why New York City, London, Paris, Nuremberg, is a much better place than Canberra or Brasilia or even the much older masterplanned city of Washington DC, it's because they developed naturally and organically and weren't developed by a stupid modernistic "scientific" bureaucratic way. Robert Moses tried to tear down natural neighborhoods in Manhattan to ram a highway right down the middle of NYC but thankfully was stopped by people who weren't idiots.RobertStarkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-87375802177824064822018-02-08T14:59:13.941-05:002018-02-08T14:59:13.941-05:00And to the main point, throwing this kind of meme ...And to the main point, throwing this kind of meme back in the faces of the Bernie people is a much-needed corrective for their side on immigration.<br /><br />They have no idea how hated and rejected their open-borders position is, nor how self-destructive it is to their own progressive class agenda. They're only supporting open borders to own the hicks and troll the RETHUGLICANS and Cheeto Hitler.<br /><br />If they glibly dismiss our response as "just outrage" masquerading as satire, they'll be in for a rude awakening themselves at the backlash their position will provoke. They should've already sense that after Trump's election, but they haven't had their ridiculous positions presented to them in a cutting way that shows it destroying their own agenda.<br /><br />Accusing them of partisanship won't do, since most people are for their own team and against the other team. It has to show their partisanship as suicidal, sabotaging their own agenda, and them going along smugly right over the cliff.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-11139658375593041642018-02-08T14:51:20.756-05:002018-02-08T14:51:20.756-05:00You're either a dead-end GOP partisan or a 20 ...You're either a dead-end GOP partisan or a 20 year-old who hasn't seen what self-destructive garbage over the years the GOP-ers have not just grudgingly defended but shriekingly demanded, all for no greater purpose than to own the libs, troll the DEMONRATS, etc.<br /><br />Trying to frame the non-GOP response as "just outrage" is setting yourself up for major failure, not that you guys ever learn.<br /><br />When non-Republicans were making fun of "Freedom fries" and "blood for no oil" during the Bush years, that was "just outrage" masquerading as satire. No way that will resonate with a broader audience, nor cause a change in the political zeitgeist.<br /><br />Nope, the non-Republicans had painted themselves into a corner by opposing "Freedom fries" -- they accepted the label of being anti-freedom! Now they'll never control anything again!<br /><br />Fast-forward a couple years to: losing the House, losing the Senate, losing the majority of governorships, losing the White House in a landslide that includes losing a solid red state like Indiana.<br /><br />Everyone else reading: do not repeat this person's glib dismissal, or you'll end up as the next round of guys with McCain 2008 bumper-stickers, trolling the Dems as the real misogynists for not wanting a woman like Sarah Palin as VP.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-56323992538118818862018-02-08T05:36:37.733-05:002018-02-08T05:36:37.733-05:00The original "meme" is no good to begin ...The original "meme" is no good to begin with. It's just snark, weak weak snark. Any impression you might have otherwise I think is just because you heard it pitched to a friendly audience that would clap for anything. It's not a form I'd copy to convey a message but only mock the faggot who thought it clever to begin with. It's just outrage masking itself as humor. These are unfunny humorless people.AAAnoreply@blogger.com