tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post2881902327595111027..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Coronavirus severity and foreign-born population: Asia / Africa vs. Europe & coloniesagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-25047609522047396782020-04-11T12:00:19.739-04:002020-04-11T12:00:19.739-04:00Will the covid quarantine hurt the Democratic part...Will the covid quarantine hurt the Democratic party? It might in the longterm, as the public may end up resenting attempts to corral them. Oddly enough, Trump speaking out against the quarantine has made me seriously consider voting him for in the election. He may only be motivated by his business interests in this regard, but he appears to be more on my side than the political party that wants to put me in lockdown and on food stamps. Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-84422413865719837552020-03-29T02:35:09.691-04:002020-03-29T02:35:09.691-04:00Not that many, maybe 2% of the LA metro (300K out ...Not that many, maybe 2% of the LA metro (300K out of 13 million). South Asians are far more heavily clustered in the NY metro, and broader Bos-Wash corridor. Ditto for West Asians like Arabs (with another cluster in the Great Lakes), as well as Turks.<br /><br />Central Asians are also clustered in the Bos-Wash corridor, with the largest group being Uzbeks who live in the NY metro.<br /><br />As for Iran specifically, rather than non-East Asians in general, due to the coronavirus outbreak in Iran -- there isn't much travel between here and there. We have no diplomatic relations, you can't carry out financial transactions with them from here, and it's rare for there to be physical visits between the two places.<br /><br />So I doubt much of LA's outbreak is due to incoming Iranians, or Iranians who recently traveled there and are returning here.<br /><br />LA is mainly Latin Americans and East Asians, not the Muslim belt. The Muslim belt sends its people to Bos-Wash. And again, NY metro absorbs literally every part of the world without a strong bias toward any one sending region.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-83566573857654184742020-03-29T01:28:54.581-04:002020-03-29T01:28:54.581-04:00Los Angeles has a large number of Iranian and Arme...Los Angeles has a large number of Iranian and Armenian immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-5874453732003898902020-03-26T18:39:01.481-04:002020-03-26T18:39:01.481-04:00NY is twice as dense as LA. The Bos-Wash corridor ...NY is twice as dense as LA. The Bos-Wash corridor is denser than the West Coast. No public transportation out West, massive public transportation in the ACELA corridor. There's one upside to Sun Belt suburban sprawl.<br /><br />Putting aside these other important factors for triggering epidemics, NY and LA also differ in how globally interconnected their immigrants are.<br /><br />In NY, they are fairly uniformly drawn from around the world, integrating a far larger share of the globe. The city, or at least the borough of Queens, is the most diverse in the world.<br /><br />In LA, they're still highly diverse compared to other big American cities, but immigrants are more Latin American or East Asian. Not as many come from South / West / Central Asia, or Africa / Afro-Caribbean, or any part of Europe, compared to NY.<br /><br />At the next level back, the Latin American immigrants in LA do not come from highly interconnected homelands. Only Brazil is super-diverse, and Brazilians move to NY rather than LA. Almost no one in Mexico is foreign-born, and Mexicans are a big share of LA immigrants. They are only bringing the Mexican disease pool with them -- not also the disease pools of scores of other countries around the world that are connected demographically with Mexico.<br /><br />Same thing with East Asian immigrants in LA -- they're not coming from highly connected homelands. They're only bringing in East Asian diseases.<br /><br />In NY, the homelands of the immigrant groups are more likely to be heavily connected. All the European immigrants who are still coming in. West Asian. South Asian too -- although India does not have a high percent of foreign-born, it's so diverse internally that it does, de facto. It's diverse genetically, culturally, ecologically.<br /><br />To further the point, Singapore also has about 40% immigrant population -- but they're all East Asians like the Singaporeans, and their homelands are themselves low in immigrant populations (e.g. China). And Singapore is doing well in the pandemic. That's because it is not highly globally interconnected.<br /><br />The "foreign-born population" metric is crude, but a good initial impression. You have to keep digging further down to see how globally connected the immigrant groups are. And in Singapore, they are not. In NY, they are.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-79703255450439570072020-03-26T09:37:02.758-04:002020-03-26T09:37:02.758-04:00Interesting.
My hesitation with the global inte...Interesting. <br /><br />My hesitation with the global integration/immigrant hypothesis is that of the LA/OC metroplis. Between the 2 counties we only account for approx 1,000 confirmed cases in an area with about 13M people and 30-40% immigrant population.<br /><br />I think a large part of a region's susceptibility to this virus is its social culture, as well.David Quinterohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15469480167209858540noreply@blogger.com