tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post268277341044625419..comments2024-03-28T21:56:51.675-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Bernie, too, would have lost to Trump; How could his successor win?agnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-42730875067787369622016-09-22T19:30:14.873-04:002016-09-22T19:30:14.873-04:00"In the meantime, it's going to take awhi..."In the meantime, it's going to take awhile -- and lots of civil war -- for the Democrats to come around. They're so delusionally out of touch, assuming an eternal Blue Wall -- which just got 100 votes shorter -- and unchanging demographic trends."<br /><br />Conservative apocalyptarians ought to keep this in mind. One reads lotsa angsty reports from multi-cult ground zero aka the Sun-belt. Sometimes the same commenters say that on trips to the north/away from the coasts they feel like they're back in America again. Immigrants/New Americans are overwhelmingly concentrated in California, Texas, Florida, Bos-Wash, and a handful of other striver heavy metro areas. If whites attain greater racial consciousness, stick to their roots instead of fleeing South or to yuppietopias, and browns remain disinterested in voting, whites will become more powerful guardians and will do a better job of retaining that power.<br /><br />And I hate to sound defeatist here, but really, outside of whites with deep roots in the Pacific or the Bos-Wash corridor, why should any of us want to be in these places? Until our mores and demos are re-calibrated we might as well let the yuppies and browns keep each other company in these places. Besides, I think it's disruptive to even have white American carpetbaggers in regions to which they are not rooted, to say nothing of foreigners in these places.<br /><br />Then again, speaking as a "boring" Midwesterner, I don't think I'll ever have any desire to live in such liberal places (The GSS consistently shows that the Pacific in particular is far more hedonistic than other regions with regard to stuff like drug use/legalization, sex outside of marriage, gay issues etc.) Texas and Cali both have gone through waves of demo. change, so why do they remain different? Texas still has lots of affordable land/housing, thereby making it much easier for family friendly whites to stay. Compare that to the horror of Cali. living arrangements, which Steve Sailer has eloquently lamented. Texas's quasi southern culture (Scots-Irish culture essentially) has preserved a certain sense of tradition, of honor, of not wanting liberal yuppies, flakes, and pansies bossing you around. Whereas California has done everything imaginable to alienate conservative middle class whites. Granted, as the GSS shows they were never that conservative. Which certainly explains why Cali was overrun so fast by uppity blacks (the LA riots), sell-out politicians (not fighting to re-instate anti-immigrants laws overturned by liberal courts), and hordes of entitled brown/yellow people (Texas's immigrants are typically harder working and more respectful of Anglo-American culture than Cali immigrants). Can you imagine a Texas mayor behaving like that treacherous dirt bag San Jose mayor did in response to anti-Trump thugs?<br /><br />I guess the whites of all regions will have to find common ground on economic/security/safety issues. That's the only way we'll ever get a majority of whites in the Northeast and Pacific to ever pull the GOP lever again. Neither region wants to hear about moral or social issues given the vast gap in values between heartland whites and coastal/big city liberal whites.<br />Ferylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-91684943707072142982016-09-21T17:27:31.158-04:002016-09-21T17:27:31.158-04:00The D version of Trump in 10-20-30 years ought to ...The D version of Trump in 10-20-30 years ought to have an easier time since we're already paving the way for populism and America-first as guiding principles.<br /><br />The Trump movement had to fight against two party Establishments, the successor to Bernie will only have to fight against his own.<br /><br />In the meantime, it's going to take awhile -- and lots of civil war -- for the Democrats to come around. They're so delusionally out of touch, assuming an eternal Blue Wall -- which just got 100 votes shorter -- and unchanging demographic trends.<br /><br />All because of Bill Clinton and Obama -- not exactly the unbroken and unchallenged reign that would justify resting on their laurels.<br /><br />And they may not benefit from a Trump-like figure who comes out of nowhere and hastens the purge of the Old Guard. Just think how long it would've taken the Republicans (party and voters) to organically come up with a populist nationalist as a primary candidate.<br /><br />There's also going to be hard generational changes to get over before Democrats are viable again. They are so unshakingly convinced of their moral and intellectual superiority, and now openly trying to brag about it, that they have turned into the hoity-toity party. You can't win the majority with that attitude and branding.<br /><br />On the other side, young people who were just having their first political experience are going to have such a bad taste in their mouths after Bernie and most of his operatives totally sold out to the corrupt warmongering corporate Establishment. Not just the time and emotional energy they invested -- but hundreds of millions of dollars donated, that have all been set ablaze by their supposed savior.<br /><br />They're not going to trust anyone who smells like Bernie Sanders, perhaps for the next several elections. It wasn't just a let-down after losing -- it's the scar of abandonment and betrayal by who they thought were their standard-bearers. Even worse since he had the persona of the kind grandfather -- you'd expect abandonment from a wicked stepmother like Hillary Clinton, but not Bernie.<br /><br />These generational changes put off serious dominance of the party for quite some time.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-76603530130474738912016-09-21T17:13:45.052-04:002016-09-21T17:13:45.052-04:00Virginia was lost by McCain and Romney -- imagine ...Virginia was lost by McCain and Romney -- imagine also promising to end the gravy train for all these FedGov parasites.<br /><br />Appalachia is not heavily populated, especially compared to the lower terminus of the Bos-Wash megalopolis. Also why western PA cannot carry the state -- we need a decent conversion of blue counties around Philadelphia, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, etc.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-81159056898481494172016-09-21T09:58:10.883-04:002016-09-21T09:58:10.883-04:00I wonder if the D guy will have a harder or easier...I wonder if the D guy will have a harder or easier time in the insurgency than President Trump/Alt-Right.<br /><br />Case for harder: The globalists are fleeing to the D's now. The (((neocons))) have all pledged to vote #NeverTrump. The Bushes are reportedly supporting Hillary. The D's and ((Hollywood)) are doubling down on the racism/sexism/identity politics narrative (already a crime procedural has been planned for this fall about a <i>Federal Hate Crimes Task Force</i> that will feature a large <i>female</i>-led cast). <br /><br />And since Trump is jettisoning the Bush-Neocons from power, Soros, Koch Bros, and other billionaire globalists will pour money into D's and not R's. And the super-delegate problem for insurgent D's remains.<br /><br />That means any D trying a nationalistic-sensible borders approach will face a party dedicated to destroying his dogma and fully funded to do so. And that D won't have Trump's money or charisma or media savvy. The globalists will not want to lose both parties to nationalism. <br /><br />Case for easier: A Trump win will fuel a lot of insurgent candidates both Independent and R. This will weaken the globalist hold on power. If Trump manages to close the borders and kick out illegals, a lot of smaller-business types will have more success and cash. Plus union power will wax as the NAFTA-ulcers are closed. <br /><br />That means a D could run very hard on a pro-union platform (a la John Edwards) and get just enough money from that and smaller businesses to make it past the identiarians in his party. He could even pull a Bill Clinton, and reform NeoLiberalism as a D version of Trump. And since Trump has moved the Overton window on immigration and Muslims and Mexicans and identity politics (as has the Alt-Right and guys like Milo), a D could speak more freely.<br /><br />Interesting times, indeed. I wonder which will prevail. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-45731600413447321182016-09-21T07:19:03.085-04:002016-09-21T07:19:03.085-04:00Do you think Virginia is really lost at this point...Do you think Virginia is really lost at this point? The level of DC encroachment in the last 15 years or so must be remarkable considering Clinton lost it in 92 and 96 despite handily winning the Appalachian counties that have since swung heavily Republican and will surely go for Trump by an even wider margin this time. Could high turnout in that region coupled with depressed black turnout not get Trump over the line, even in defiance of the polls? Andrewnoreply@blogger.com