tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post2543213796364661815..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Endgame in media war is to break them up (their reputation is already toast)agnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-32525815236688486582017-07-07T15:38:02.051-04:002017-07-07T15:38:02.051-04:00Breaking: HanAssholeSolo just went on a shitpostin...Breaking: HanAssholeSolo just went on a shitposting rampage. CNN corporate meeting over dox. Here is just one of them. Tragic.<br /><br />https://goo.gl/images/6KP57R<br /><br /><br />Another. I just can't believe it! Why won't he stop?!?<br />https://goo.gl/images/X6znYADahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-63353716684125210252017-07-06T20:33:50.640-04:002017-07-06T20:33:50.640-04:00Yeah. This last election made me think of a lot of...Yeah. This last election made me think of a lot of a more toxic version of "Bush vs Gore". In both cases, the Dem Convention was more of a coronation for one...coupled with winning the popular vote but not the electoral vote. The ironic thing is that realists had more hope in Dubya at the time. It is almost entirely forgotten today that Bush campaigned on a "humble" foreign policy and disdained the idea of the US as "the world's policeman"! Gore bragged about being an Iraq hawk on more than one occasion. It makes me think that even without 9/11 and Iraq War might have been even more inevitable under a Gore administration...but without the need to spew BS about WMDs due to greater acceptability by the media and instead focusing on "human rights" issues.Barrettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-10268573838932860682017-07-06T17:49:24.592-04:002017-07-06T17:49:24.592-04:00Monopolization of mass media has increased steadil...Monopolization of mass media has increased steadily over the last 40 years. But it wouldn't surprise me if the influence of "the media" goes in 10 year cycles, correlating with periods of conservatism vs. liberalism(high defense spending, vs. low defense spending). Corporate was more powerful in the 2010s, '90s, '70s. Media was less powerful, and more ignored by the public, during the '80s and '60s(and will decrease in power over the next ten years). <br /><br />In the 2000s, a conservative decade, George. W. often ignored the media completely, and got away with murder with his various scandals. The media gave him witheringly negative coverage, but he still won reelection. There was huge controversy involving Dan Rather, and the rise of Fox News cut into CNNs ratings.<br /><br />In the 90s, a liberal decade, the media grew more powerful.<br /><br />In the '80s, a conservative decade, Reagan, like George W., was uneffected by very negative media coverage("The Teflon president").<br /><br />On the other hand, during the 70s, a liberal decade, Richard Nixon was run out of office by negative media coverage(I'm not saying he didn't deserve to resign, but the point is that the negative media coverage effected events).<br /><br /><br /><br />Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-62245307334444973142017-07-06T04:35:04.010-04:002017-07-06T04:35:04.010-04:00well said. I will have to come here more often.well said. I will have to come here more often.wastrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00080435449307559294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-19497838789960945822017-07-06T01:44:27.700-04:002017-07-06T01:44:27.700-04:00It's worth pointing out to sympathetic Lefties...It's worth pointing out to sympathetic Lefties that their party is controlled by Wall Street and the corporate media. They've grown increasingly aware of it, especially during/after Obama, and now looking forward to one or another candidate who is a puppet of Wall Street (Hillary the return, Cory Booker, etc.).<br /><br />They've always styled themselves as the party that is not beholden to any power group, unlike the Republicans being controlled by the Pentagon, oil companies, pharma, and so on.<br /><br />But by now the cognitive dissonance is too much to bear, and they're admitting how embarrassing it is that the Democrats are the Wall Street / Corporate Media party.<br /><br />Democrats being the anti-media critics is a relic of the pre-Clinton years. The rise of talk radio, Fox News, etc., made them defend CNN, NYT, etc., in order to avoid guilt by association ("I'm not one of those anti-media people who listens to Rush Limbaugh 24 hours a day...").<br /><br />Now the media is so biased and fake, that they're indefensible for normal people. Only real fanatic hacks are going to white-knight for MSNBC.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-44364678076749404772017-07-05T23:58:54.283-04:002017-07-05T23:58:54.283-04:00"The American people want hard swift action a..."The American people want hard swift action against the biased media, who they have not trusted for decades. We will not be satisfied with just some further damage to their reputation. We must change the structural conditions that give them such anti-democratic power and wealth that they use not only against the little guy..."<br /><br />Strike while the iron is hot; the conditions are ripe. The outrage over the CNN targeting, just coming off the Scalise/Republican shooting...the Nader/Bernie wing, well, their suspicion of corporate power is being overwhelmingly confirmed. The Free Market Republican wing who are the hardest to convert just saw Rand Paul, Jeff Flake, et al., shot at and the corporate media yawned.<br />Your point about Reagan: beautiful.<br /><br />Related, but not about tactics; just an observation. I do notice that some in the Nader wing, like Greenwald, feel sorry for some of these journalists: powerless guys getting caught up or even exploited by mammoth $$$ corporations.<br /><br />I *do* have some sympathy for this point of view. No doubt there are people who are like Sharyl Atkinson who try to fight or middling people who get corrupted but are capable of redemption.<br />But I urge caution, too. Lotta these people were promoted because they fit a certain personality type: they're kind of demented. True believers who have a sort-of abusive spousal relationship with the American public: condescending to the "well-behaved", humiliation and desire to crush those who are out of line. And their zealotry! A bunch of witch hunters.<br />The Hillary's Health episode captured this dynamic so well, but right now, I'd point to the Healthcare fight. The MSM is writing articles about how the Democrats and the #Resistance will save the day on healthcare. If you are a liberal with a 2-digit IQ, this propaganda might be a-okay. Otherwise, it's condescending. There *is* nothing about California and what is going wrong out there *right now*. It's not like Single Payer flamed-out out there two years ago, it's happening now, yet it doesn't exist in the MSM! Why is it going wrong in an *overwhelmingly* Democratic state? You'll have to go to alternative news like The Intercept, Counterpunch, etc. for analysis.Dahlianoreply@blogger.com