tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post2086395567761064543..comments2024-03-18T17:20:21.775-04:00Comments on Face to Face: The geography of gayness in American cultureagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-61990624930467414202023-04-14T09:59:23.839-04:002023-04-14T09:59:23.839-04:00southern Florida is more American than the rest of...southern Florida is more American than the rest of Dixie so I wouldn't be surprised that it is more gay. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-66344963495113288032014-02-28T01:23:12.741-05:002014-02-28T01:23:12.741-05:00Another great article here! No surprise that Seatt...Another great article here! No surprise that Seattle is in the top 2. I wouldve paired it with San Francisco. Very interesting that Salt Lake City made number 2. I had thought it was a hallmark conservative city where faggotry would not fly. This is actually a compelling methodology, despite some questions about it remaining. I was just in DC a week ago and read that theres a big gay scene there and the rulers are very cultural marxist. I saw at least two gay couples, maybe a few more. One had a daughter. It was quite odd and I wondered what they might do to that poor girl. I have walked around plenty of cities, notably New York, and cant recall ever seeing that many gays except in Montreal (and I had stayed in the gay district that time by accident). Even in Seattle...however I only spent an hour there while catching a flight.<br /><br />Gay culture establishments may actually be the best way to gauge homosexual presence. Because even closet gays will seek out a porn shop or a gay bar, knowing they can dress discreetly, while even answering an anonymous poll can put some on edge.<br /><br />I live in New Jersey actually, as someone asked. While this state is intoxicatingly "liberal", I dont think there actually is that much gay culture. However, I might note that many of the colleges have many pro-gay clubs and a climate. There is a residence hall at Rutgers that even has a floor for all sorts of deviants where you probably have no idea what the hell species you are passing as you walk to your room.juvnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-52113288337172052352014-02-06T23:48:24.910-05:002014-02-06T23:48:24.910-05:00I read Josh Barro's (at least I think it was h...I read Josh Barro's (at least I think it was him, can't remember for sure) thoughts on the steroid story. It seemed absurdly high to him, and he suggested that the <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/01/dirty-jokes-comprise-much-of-famous-sex.html" rel="nofollow">bogus gay teen survey response problem</a> may be related. But my recollection is that the steroid survey had 4% of respondents tagged as gay/bisexual, which isn't too far off from normal figures.<br /><br />Checking things out, it appears Barro borrowed that hypothesis from Gabriel Rossman. Also Barro suggested noise in a small sample size could be responsible.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-36236740353878278052014-02-05T20:33:24.091-05:002014-02-05T20:33:24.091-05:00I dunno, isn't Jersey and Philly supposed to b...I dunno, isn't Jersey and Philly supposed to be the heart of the East Coast farmers(and, as you've pointed out, farming societies are more likely to have homosexuality, even if they don't embrace it)? I'm thinking they just didn't do a survey there.<br /><br />Speaking anecdotally, there's at least one gay mecca in South Jersey - Collingswood, if you've ever heard about it. Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-92129417547998802312014-02-05T14:04:22.272-05:002014-02-05T14:04:22.272-05:00Yeah, most big cities these days have at least one...Yeah, most big cities these days have at least one "gay-borhood," but you wouldn't run into the homos just walking around the city at random.<br /><br />Philly and Jersey didn't come up on any of the lists. Too much of a tough guy attitude frightening them away?agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-48120243405089973502014-02-05T12:25:49.142-05:002014-02-05T12:25:49.142-05:00What about the Philadelphia area? Whats Jersey lo...What about the Philadelphia area? Whats Jersey look like?Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-89269692668377674532014-02-05T11:36:16.710-05:002014-02-05T11:36:16.710-05:00Given that Houston has a dyke mayor, I'm surpr...Given that Houston has a dyke mayor, I'm surprised it didn't make the rankings, but on a per capita basis, it does make sense. Still, even within Houston, you have a distinctly gay area (Montrose & Westheimer), and I know LA, San Diego and other large cities have their concentrations as well.Frontiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-6873016186362189182014-02-05T03:44:53.634-05:002014-02-05T03:44:53.634-05:00Around 10% of urban Jewish males are gay, way high...Around 10% of urban Jewish males are gay, way higher than other groups. Their women are as likely to be lesbians, around 3%:<br /><br />http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2012/07/jews-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-be.html<br /><br />New York has a sizable gay presence in absolute terms, but not per capita. If you walk into a random drugstore there, it's not as though 20% of the male patrons will be gay. In Atlanta or Salt Lake City, however...agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-69776817349135943392014-02-05T02:24:21.167-05:002014-02-05T02:24:21.167-05:00"I may be reversing which places are, relativ..."I may be reversing which places are, relatively speaking, more or less Puritanical in the South"<br />Always possible. I'd like to get a ranking beforehand to avoid Texas-sharpshooting.<br /><br />I remember one of those "Majority Rights" bloggers banging on about some correlations on the "laboratory of the states" website (now defunct), where there was a surprisingly high correlation between the rate of AIDS and the Jewish percent of the population. Sailer has used AIDS prevalence as a proxy for homosexuality in different professions, and I'd be interested to see how that stacks up here. Of course AIDS isn't the outbreak it used to be,so we might want to look at historical AIDS prevalence.<br /><br />Personally, I think if New York, Los Angeles & Chicago don't make the list it says more about the Advocate's rankings than those cities.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-34324671926704579422014-02-04T18:59:36.527-05:002014-02-04T18:59:36.527-05:00The Pew data are an opinion survey, not a measure ...The Pew data are an opinion survey, not a measure of how prevalent the gay culture is on the ground. The kind of homo paraphenalia you can buy in Japan is stomach-turning.<br /><br />That's why things like the Advocate's index are more illuminating. Who would guess from opinion surveys that Atlanta and Salt Lake City would have among the highest concentrations of gay culture in daily life?<br /><br />Spain's data point probably sampled from Barcelona / Catalonia, not the rest who are more socially conservative.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-71038833577500643072014-02-04T17:59:38.590-05:002014-02-04T17:59:38.590-05:00I think you see this pattern operating at the glob...<i>I think you see this pattern operating at the global level as well. Joyless races like the East Asians and the Scandinavians are way more tolerant than the ebullient Mediterraneans and Middle Easterners.</i><br /><br />The Pew data don't really show a divide between the Northern and Southern European countries, or at least not between Latins and Germanics. <br /><br />http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/<br /><br />Religious nations are most objecting generally. Seems like that fits USA internal variance as well - traditional regional cultures are religious, experimental regional cultures are secular. Likewise Puritans (like the Scandinavians) are secular-rational, not really that religious.<br /><br />On the world scale the irreligious outliers (who are objecting despite not being very religious) being the joyless "eat bitterness" extreme farmer nations (Russian Slavs and the Chinese). Latin (Iberian) influenced nations seem less objecting than their level of religiosity would predict.<br /><br />The Japs and Koreans seem about the same as Latins and Germanics for young age ranges, but the older folk are different.<br /><br />Maybe you could argue there's some disaggregated sampling issue there, I guess, or something wrong with the question, but I can't hugely see it. Orphic Mysterynoreply@blogger.com