tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post1503732157760136557..comments2024-03-28T21:56:51.675-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Today's wave of OCD stems from yesterday's wave of childhood sexual abuseagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-44724734080445189372013-07-13T18:20:47.144-04:002013-07-13T18:20:47.144-04:00There was an earlier epidemic of sex abuse toward ...<i>There was an earlier epidemic of sex abuse toward children during the 1920s (also a period of rising homicide rates), making the Greatest Generation the main targets.</i><br /><br />Is this across the whole 00s - 20s period? If it's just the 20s, then it would seem like it would affect, the tail end of the Greatest Generation. Someone who was 10 in '25 would have kids when they were around 20 themself, in around '35, and the Baby Boomers began in around '42. <br /><br />It seems like the Greatest as parents would be split between being parents to the Silents and the Baby Boomers - the articles you've linked to earlier identified the Flamers (Flaming Youth) as the parents of the Silent Gen didn't they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-2748140119027462212013-07-13T10:40:18.554-04:002013-07-13T10:40:18.554-04:00The Finkelhor & Jones paper is quite convincin...The Finkelhor & Jones paper is quite convincing. It notes that the increase in single-parent families would predict more of the "mommy's boyfriend" problem, in contrast to the observed decrease in abuse. Has there been a change in cohabitation rates among single mothers?<br /><br />The point about Judith Levine is similar to the one made by Judith Harris, basically piggybacking off Trivers' theory of genetic conflict. Children have evolved to be robust rather than permanently impacted by childhood history. Is there an evolutionary reason why it would be beneficial to develop adult OCD as a result of childhood abuse?<br /><br />"Don't fire off comments when you're on a sugar rush"<br />Actually, I hadn't eaten for hours when I last commented.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-21869328316634619752013-07-12T17:12:29.562-04:002013-07-12T17:12:29.562-04:00They were infants or toddlers during the peak, so ...They were infants or toddlers during the peak, so probably not. Usually physical abuse hits kids who are in elementary school or older.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-55975747080102802212013-07-12T14:37:29.692-04:002013-07-12T14:37:29.692-04:00Wouldn't the kids born in the late 80s and ear...Wouldn't the kids born in the late 80s and early 90s also have suffered disproportionately high levels of child abuse?<br /><br />-CurtisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-30157176464230324852013-07-11T20:45:38.152-04:002013-07-11T20:45:38.152-04:00http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV137J.pdf
Why Have C...http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV137J.pdf<br /><br />Why Have Child Maltreatment and Child Victimization Declined?<br /><br />"and that portion of people affected would be high enough for observable aggregate effects."<br /><br />Remember that I said this was a separate pathway, not the main one to OCD, which has to do with social isolation.<br /><br />"Additionally, most child abuse is by relatives. So restricting interactions to kin wouldn't help much."<br /><br />Right, "relatives" like mommy's new boyfriend.<br /><br />"Judith Levine"<br /><br />What does she have to do with this? You imagined an argument saying that victims of sex abuse as kids had these extreme emo problems. But what I wrote was that it leads to OCD type behavior, and the lit review in the article I linked to bears that out.<br /><br />Most people don't consider OCD, perfectionism, or permissive / authoritarian parenting styles to be crippling psychological scars, which is what Judith Levine is talking about. Totally different.<br /><br />Don't fire off comments when you're on a sugar rush. It's sloppy and annoying.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-38632991236224200922013-07-11T20:28:56.193-04:002013-07-11T20:28:56.193-04:00I'm not buying this theory. I'd need to se...I'm not buying this theory. I'd need to see data there was this shift in abuse (or quasi-abuse, whatever) rates, and that portion of people affected would be high enough for observable aggregate effects. Additionally, most child abuse is by relatives. So restricting interactions to kin wouldn't help much.<br /><br />Finally, like <a href="http://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognotes/2007/07/defending-the-u.html" rel="nofollow">Steve Pinker & Chip Smith</a>, I suspect Judith Levine is closer to the truth than the conventional wisdom. See also the Rind et al. controversy.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-15319213048340372972013-07-11T19:12:18.540-04:002013-07-11T19:12:18.540-04:00But getting back to the point of the post -- the e...But getting back to the point of the post -- the effect that childhood abuse would have on parenting style in adulthood, and how that may affect their own children.<br /><br />It might not require something serious like forcible rape or some creep giving a little girl a kiss right on the mouth, to trigger this chain of effects that led to OCD and permissive or authoritarian parenting styles, and OCD-like behavior in their children.<br /><br />Milder forms of unwanted physical attention could lead to OCD, if they were uncomfortable enough for the kid to seek out perfectionist coping strategies.<br /><br />That milder / murkier / gray-area stuff was way more common than the far extreme of rape, which was just the tip of the iceberg.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-43715770376188688062013-07-11T19:04:38.729-04:002013-07-11T19:04:38.729-04:00And on the other hand, in the '70s and '80...And on the other hand, in the '70s and '80s there was the Catholic Church and other religious institutions, the Boy Scouts, etc. Way bigger than some podunk preschool, and the abuse was real.<br /><br />People take away the wrong message from the McMartin preschool thing. They make it seem like that was typical, vs. the documented abuse epidemic in the far larger institutions like the churches, Boy Scouts, and so on.<br /><br />It makes it sound like the "moral panic" had no basis. It did, though when you minimize false negatives, you'll get some false positives.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-36879689378297127962013-07-11T17:19:17.152-04:002013-07-11T17:19:17.152-04:00How many people really suffered child abuse, compa...How many people really suffered child abuse, compared to the universal experience of the 90s boom in 'child abuse awareness' agitprop: McMartin preschool false accusations, divorced moms screwing their ex false accusations, a very special episode of Blossom fustian on the one hand. <br /> On the other hand, higher bastardy rates are bound to expose higher rates of kids growing up seeing one horny strange guy after another pass through their homes.biffnoreply@blogger.com