tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post1130889890855135954..comments2024-03-27T23:28:20.274-04:00Comments on Face to Face: I love my dead gay she-bloggeragnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-24631536917572647542011-06-15T10:18:10.637-04:002011-06-15T10:18:10.637-04:00Yeah, as the overton window shifts what was once a...Yeah, as the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/01/AR2008020102827.html" rel="nofollow">overton window shifts</a> what was once a marginal viewpoint becomes mainstream.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-45404545913305957912011-06-14T23:39:52.556-04:002011-06-14T23:39:52.556-04:00Black power was a fringe thing, although highly vi...Black power was a fringe thing, although highly visible. The bulk of the civil rights movement was only about civil rights. Also note the lack of identity politics from other ethnic groups -- again, not some fringe, but anything visible. Probably the most visible were Puerto Rican nationalists, but that was good old fashioned nationalism.<br /><br />In comparison to these fringe groups, it was the mainstream in the early '90s culture war that brought up these topics. During the Rodney King riots, they were angry at all white people -- the entire system of white oppression, in their view, not just the cops.<br /><br />The movie Higher Learning sums this up pretty well -- even the harmless white kid from a good neighborhood can turn into a fanatic Nazi.<br /><br />There were identity politics divisions in the New Left -- that's how 2nd wave feminism was born -- but again that was totally marginal. The women's movement was about rape crisis shelters, abortion, the ERA, equal pay, etc., not the Society to Cut Up Men.<br /><br />The decade of the 1960s is different from The Sixties, which I try to distinguish by spelling it out like that. The Sixties lasted from roughly 1967 to 1973.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-57257098352210500942011-06-14T22:46:42.748-04:002011-06-14T22:46:42.748-04:00The anti-war movement has been central to most acc...The anti-war movement has been central to most accounts of The Sixties I've heard. The image of hippies spitting on returning soldiers may even be more salient now than in the past.<br /><br />In the sixties there was black power, black pride, black nationalism, so I'd definitely say there was identity politics. And it wasn't simply directed at government witholding their rights, the civil rights act restricted private actors which is why Barry Goldwater voted against it. MLK didn't want to overthrow capitalism, he was basically a liberal welfare statist. Jane Alpert and Valeria Solanas certainly thought there was oppositional identity politics between men and women before the decline in crime. The BBC 4 series "Lefties" (which I believe all takes place during the Thatcher era) had an episode "Angry Wimmin" on that stuff (some of the other two in the series featured similar identity politics divisions within the left of that time which it implies helped to marginalize it).<br /><br />The framing of a decade as being "about" something sits ill with me. Stuff happens and afterword we try to fit it into a narrative framework involving some purpose which makes sense of it all, but that's a story we try to push rather than reality.<br /><br />Anonymous, Razib would agree on the silliness of that phrase.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-59896515960640542542011-06-14T14:22:15.599-04:002011-06-14T14:22:15.599-04:00Reminds me of a time in the 90's back at Brown...Reminds me of a time in the 90's back at Brown when my Classics Professor accidentally said the word "Judeo-Christian", to which a student responded, "Please don't insult my heritage by associating it with Christianity."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com