tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post1126675564592582172..comments2024-03-28T21:56:51.675-04:00Comments on Face to Face: Young people not working reflects cocooning, not economic factorsagnostichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-15187718312245979672018-01-03T18:42:09.447-05:002018-01-03T18:42:09.447-05:00"Article mentions lack of partying and even j...<br />"Article mentions lack of partying and even just hanging out with friends amongst the "i-Gen" cohort - those born after 1995."<br /><br />These people will likely take on some of the characteristics you see in Silents and early Boomers; you spend 10-30 years at the start of your life in a cocooning period, then when cocooning ebbs you become gullible, "open to experience", and start to earnestly make up for a dull upbringing by racing in the opposite direction toward adventure and hedonism. <br /><br />For those of us who grew up in the 70's, 80's, and event to some extent the 90's, we already did a lot of hanging out and fooling around. When Cocooning starts to ebb in the next few years, it might feel like an old friend is paying us a visit. But to those born in the the late 80's, 90's, and 2000's, this new era will feel like a novelty.....One that has it's pleasures and it's pains.....Ferylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336057631877941839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-54626556630664676822018-01-03T09:52:13.083-05:002018-01-03T09:52:13.083-05:00Another link you'd be interested in:
https://...Another link you'd be interested in:<br /><br />https://www.wired.com/story/why-teens-arent-partying-anymore/<br /><br />Article mentions lack of partying and even just hanging out with friends amongst the "i-Gen" cohort - those born after 1995. FWGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-60709518465775298462017-09-20T18:23:30.791-04:002017-09-20T18:23:30.791-04:00Yep, every time I see an article like this you com...Yep, every time I see an article like this you come to mind. The whole cocooning thing is fascinating to me.<br /><br />I agree with you. It's interesting how many older folks believe teens now are having more sex now than ever. That couldn't be less true. And also, many people think violence is up, when overall, it has been declining since '92.<br /><br />I hope Toys 'R' Us sticks around...I have a lot of great memories of that place.<br /><br />How do you feel about all the talk surrounding football as being dangerous to youths?FWGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-8691101101552229362017-09-20T17:34:18.227-04:002017-09-20T17:34:18.227-04:00"Toys are too physical, too material, and too..."Toys are too physical, too material, and too activity-oriented."<br /><br />also, as you said before, it requires imagination to create storylines for the action figures. in that case, many children may desire toys less(can't think of things to do with them); not just being denied it by their parents.Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-47268476620050642482017-09-19T15:49:23.611-04:002017-09-19T15:49:23.611-04:00I started that ball rolling 10 years ago (on GNXP)...I started that ball rolling 10 years ago (on GNXP), and it just keeps growing.<br /><br />Somewhat related: Toys R Us files for bankruptcy, not due to Amazon, since it was already in trouble when it got bought out in 2005. And not due to Walmart, since the toy section in Walmart is pretty small. But nobody who writes articles has ever been inside a Walmart, or has children to buy toys for.<br /><br />Instead, it's helicopter parents sheltering their kids from any physical activity in physical reality. They want them to be as immaterial and angelic / spirit-like as possible. The closest thing is becoming passive receptacles of digital content, none of which needs to be purchased at a toy store.<br /><br />Toys are too physical, too material, and too activity-oriented. Throwing footballs, riding bikes, enacting feuds and fights with action figures, feeding and changing the diaper of a baby doll, combing the hair of a unicorn. It's all just one step away from them leaving the home, getting corrupted by sex, and having to physically protect themselves and their property.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-39418760147522143452017-09-19T13:07:37.278-04:002017-09-19T13:07:37.278-04:00Absolutely fascinating article and comment thread ...Absolutely fascinating article and comment thread on AutoAdmit about teens delaying developmental milestones. So many interesting comments in this article. <br /><br />http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736275&mc=117&forum_id=2&PHPSESSID=a16ac847d9e2441dc7a86492de957383<br />FWGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-66243258651628621432017-04-14T22:36:35.312-04:002017-04-14T22:36:35.312-04:00The economist Tyler Cowen recently explicitly link...The economist Tyler Cowen recently explicitly linked lower productivity with the "60s, 70s, 80s". He specifically mentioned those three decades, and also ties the lower productivity to helicopter-parenting and "staying at home". Think he's taking an uncredited cue from your blog, or just independently came up with the same ideas?<br /><br />"All of this is causing the U.S. to stagnate economically and politically, Cowen says in his new book: "The Complacent Class: The Self-Defeating Quest for the American Dream." Growth is far slower than it was in the 1960s, 70s and 80s and productivity growth is way down, despite everyone claiming they are working so hard."<br /><br />" "Just look at how people bring up children today. Often they won't even let children go outside," he says.<br /><br />Even technology, the one area that has seen some innovation in recent years, has been mostly aimed at making us want to stay home and relax.<br /><br />"Tech's great. It's fun. I've got four Amazon packages outside my door. But we have a problem with this precisely because it's enjoyable and comfortable," he says. "All this tech innovation encourages leisure and staying at home." <br /><br />http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/12/news/economy/us-economy-big-problem-tyler-cowen/<br /><br /><br />Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-57211935791188252602014-03-13T20:27:26.215-04:002014-03-13T20:27:26.215-04:00I think it's a little bit of both.
Before the...I think it's a little bit of both.<br /><br />Before the 21st when college was affordable, working a part time or summer job could more easily cover the costs. I imagine that being able to cover your costs for such a thing provides a sense of self-worth so there's extra motivation to work. Progressive credentialism has created inflated tuition costs so there's no sense of satisfaction in working a shitty job when the wages derived from it hardly make a dent.<br /><br />Increases in minimum wage and the automation of low skill jobs has also negatively impacted youth workforce participation.Lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-73616494458117172942014-03-12T15:55:52.992-04:002014-03-12T15:55:52.992-04:00Looks like a rise all the way from 1954 to 1980, t...Looks like a rise all the way from 1954 to 1980, then a plateau, then a fall at 2000.<br /><br />I wonder what the male and female rates separated out look like?<br /><br />I bet the male participation in the mid century is much higher than today, and maybe during the "outgoing" period, while the female is much lower. <br /><br />I've a hunch the difference between the 1980s and the 1950s is mostly gonna be due to girls getting paid employment, while the difference between the post 1980s and 1990s world and today is gonna be due to immigration and education trends.Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-13498815989178021292014-03-12T15:36:23.340-04:002014-03-12T15:36:23.340-04:00"Illegal immigrants are doing the unskilled j..."Illegal immigrants are doing the unskilled jobs that white American kids used to do in the 70s and 80s."<br /><br />That's making it worse, but it doesn't look like the main factor. Back in the late '40s and '50s, immigration had been turned off for decades, yet young people working was at a low point. Immigration started going up after the 1965 amnesty, and even more during the '70s and '80s, yet young people's labor participation rate only climbed.<br /><br />In places where immigrants cannot compete, you'd expect to see a glut of white youngsters -- like, "Finally, a job that can't be stolen by a Mexican!" But you don't see them there either.<br /><br />Shoveling snow during winter, for instance. Mexicans love lawn maintenance, but they don't go schlepping around the neighborhood with snow shovels or a snow thrower. My best friend and I used to do that on weekends or during Christmas vacation, charging I think $5-10 in the mid-'90s.<br /><br />Bryan Caplan, the aspergers / libertarian economist at EconLog, wrote a post a few years ago about how he couldn't find any neighborhood teenagers to shovel the avalanche of snow that had fallen during a blizzard. He said he would've paid them something like $30 or $50 just so he could drive the car.<br /><br />That's what happens when the kids themselves don't want to go making cold calls door-to-door ("Ummm... awkward!"), and when their parents require line-of-sight supervision 24/7.<br /><br />Also remember that most of the country is not swarmed with immigrants. Yet they don't work like their counterparts would have 20-30 years ago.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-525951314472162692014-03-12T15:06:03.859-04:002014-03-12T15:06:03.859-04:00Could it also be that there are fewer jobs out the...Could it also be that there are fewer jobs out there for young people? Illegal immigrants are doing the unskilled jobs that white American kids used to do in the 70s and 80s.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-181059433308870762014-03-12T10:02:33.633-04:002014-03-12T10:02:33.633-04:00I got a job as a Paperboy when I was 11. Delivered...I got a job as a Paperboy when I was 11. Delivered papers every morning before school until I was 14. In my town most people subscribed to one of the daily papers and the weekly paper. When I was 12 the other daily newspaper went bankrupt , so I doubled my business overnight. By the 1990s they could no longer find boys to deliver newspapers and adults took over all the routes. <br /><br />at 15 I foolishly took a job at an auto-body shop, because I wanted to fix up the 1972 convertible I had bought. Working at the bodyshop destroyed my desire to work on my car, the pay was good but it was hard work. Did it for 2 summers, and worked as a busboy at night my last 2 years of high school. On the weekends I worked as a caddy. By the time I graduated High School I had saved up over $10,000 which was enough to pay for my first 2 years of college tuition at the State University. Muscle cars gained value quickly between 1985 when i bought my car and 1992 (my last year in college) , so I sold the car my senior year to help pay my college expenses. Sold it for $4,000 in 1992, I had bought it for $2,000 in 1985 1 month before I turned 16. Bought a cheep car for $500 and delivered Pizza during my last year at college. Also worked as a waiter, cook, lifeguard, at UPS, ...<br /><br />jovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17255734827055994617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19346366.post-9084816813916808422014-03-12T08:35:03.534-04:002014-03-12T08:35:03.534-04:00I worked every summer once I turned 15 and through...I worked every summer once I turned 15 and throughout the school year after I turned 16, I think. My dad wouldn't let me not work, lol. A debilitating social anxiety makes it hard, but I sucked (and continue to suck) it up.FWGnoreply@blogger.com